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figured this line would open around pk. saw olympic and pinnacle open toledo at -1.5 and then move to miami -1.5/-2.0 shortly thereafter. not sure where this line will close (as mac line movement has been wacky this year) but any points that miami gives to toledo is one point too many.

my stance hasnt changed since the beginning of the season: toledo is the best team in the conference. miami is obviously very good, but when it comes down to nut-cutting time, ill take gradkowski over any quarterback in the conference, especially betts. and when toledo's offense is in a groove, theyre damn near impossible to stop because of their balance, speed and explosiveness on the outside, and ability to run the ball effectively (the 2nd half of the bowling green game was the perfect example)

now that its december, i think we're all familiar with the personnel and styles of these two schools. no sense in rehashing all that. a few things i do think are worth noting though:

* toledo had every chance to win the first meeting in oxford a month ago. the rockets uncharacteristically turned the ball over 4 times, which led to some short fields for miami. rockets outgained miami in total offense and held a significant edge in the rushing game (toledo 36 for 177, miami 40 for 76).

* in toledo's three biggest games this year (vs. miami, northern, and bowling green), they outrushed those three teams by a combined 571-300 (4.4 ypc vs. 3.0 ypc). thats a notable stat imo, as it reflects how toledo's big offensive line is wearing down opponents, even elite conference foes.

* miami (betts in particular) is still shaky when it comes to taking care of the ball. its sort of surprising, since theyre a well-coached team. but miami is -8 in the turnover department this year, whereas toledo is even.

* mac championship no longer played at a campus site, but ford field is essentially a pseudo-home game for toledo. its a 45-minute drive north, and rockets have played here before in past bowl games. familiarity and proximity both favor toledo.


ill add some more to this thread and post some article links for reading as they become available.
 
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Gman, I knew you couldn't wait to put a thread out this week in regard to this game! I'll ride this one out with you mate and hopefully it will bring a good season in the MAC to a solid end.
 

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thanx gman2, great info, love the rushing stats vs the big 3!!

after that 35-0 start in 2nd half LW, how can I resist

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G-man, great post, I like the rockets too. Also I'll be on the over, in the dome conditions won't be a problem. Toledo is playing inspired football and they will have to outscore not stop the redhawks!

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I am on that dog with you but think the best bet is 4th quarter bet for the very reasons you noted. The down side is that Toledo may explode and sit on the ball during the final stanza and Miami may score.

Playing Toledo ML and 4th qtr.

GL
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something I find a little strange is that the teams totals are 32.5 for Toleso and 31.5 for Miami. Wonder why Miami is favored.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
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Interesting bill! Seems a little strange but it might be telling us something. Toledo big!
 

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GL gman, great week last wek also.

Hope Toledo sticks it to the Red Hawks. I have been ticked at them ever since they play Marshall like crap. I know that Miami beat Toedo a few weeks ago at Miami, but they have no right being favored over Toledo IMO.
 

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gman, great write up, but I have to throw out all the stats when it comes to a title game like this.

Miami is the defending champ and they have something to prove with Big Ben gone and doing so well in the NFL.

I just think that intrinsic unknown that happens in big games will come into play in this one, so I'm going with my alma mater Miami.

Should be a good game to watch.

Go Redskins :clap: (I refuse to bow down to the PC crowd)
 

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g....i took a long look at this and it seems these mac title games....the totals,i mean,are lined high.....

isn`t there some precedent for this thing to go under?......as far as the head to head meetings of these 2 over the last few years...they seem to be hard fought dogfights....not shootouts.....

miami plays a little defense....and toledo`s defense has improved as the season has progressed....

and they only played a month ago....there is a familiarity factor...

maybe tease toledo with the under...get a 7.5 or 8 with under 70...

thanks...
 
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Great post! Couldn't agree more on the Rocket's! They are also going to have somewhat of a homefield advantage in that it's less than an hour from Toledo, Miami being 4 1/2 hours away.
 

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gman, great write-up. Toledo only lost by 7 at Miami. Game at a nuetral site(although I agree think it favors Toledo) and got to figure Toledo will value the ball a little more this time. I think Miami may have the better defense but I believe Toledo's offense is so much better. Believe Toledo wins unless its a 20-17 type game. Then I think its a toss-up. Thinking about playing about 1-2 units on the under but Toledo for 5 units.

gl,

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gman - always appreciate your insight

question - does the opening line and subsequent line movement make you scratch your head at all? - given Toledo's recent success, (L2 on a big-time national stage), I really felt that the line would be a deuce the other way - i'd be able to understand many valid arguments regarding why the line is the way it is, but something deep down inside of me questions its validity

btw, really, really like UCLA this week - take that for what you think it may be worth


thx and good luck - LA Burns
 
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