Mags

[Duff Miver]

I've checked my usual sources of reliable information, and I can't find any evidence that your claims are true. These claims -

BLS: Quarterly Census of Employment and Wages - shown today: State Government employees average 2009 salary: $51,305. Average private sector employee (same experience, job, et): $38,626. On top of this, the benefit packages are also worth much more in the public sector.

That is pretty tough to defend for the unions - why should the tax paying public pay a 33% markup on labor above the market rate?

FYI - just in - the Republicans have found a way to deal with the Senate Dems who aren't interested in participating anymore. Seems that they are going to peel off the collective bargaining portion of Walker's bill and are going to attach that to a non spending bill that is currently in the house/senate.

The beauty of this is, you do not need a 20 member quorum to pass a bill that is unrelated to spending. So they can move on this piece without waiting for the Dems to ever return.

How do you like that! :00hour

The people will win! Normally I wouldn't agree with this tactic, but given the way the Dem's have behaved and teachers calling in sick, this seems to be the appropriate course of action.

As far as your claim about the WI Republicans doing a work-around, I can find nothing, although there is this report that states just the opposite -

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9LHB5502.htm

As far as your claim about government employees being paid more for equal work/education/experience, I can also find nothing, although yyz does provide a valid link here claiming just the opposite -

http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2862501#post2862501

I will admit that I did not check with Beck or Limbaugh.

So, Mags, since you refuse to provide any sources for your claims, I'm left with a quandary with two possible explanations. Either:

A. I'm too fucking stupid to find information you can find, or

B. You're a Goddamn liar.

Which is it?


Oh, and here's a smiley face for you :00hour

 

[Duff Miver]

Mags? Mags?....Mags??!!!!!

Oh, there you are -

 

[Mags]

Mags? Mags?....Mags??!!!!!

Oh, there you are -

Sorry - been working all day. I also told you I was not responding to you - had you forgot?

Not into the childish name calling. Sorry.

 

[Trench]

Mags, I've got to ask you... If you saw the BLS figures on TV, as you stated, how is it that you remembered them to the dollar?

 

[Mags]

Mags, I've got to ask you... If you saw the BLS figures on TV, as you stated, how is it that you remembered them to the dollar?

Trench. There is a little thing on a DVR called "pause". Then I went out to the BLS website, using their data manager (this takes a little skill, so not sure if you or Muff can do this) and ran a query that matched the number shown on TV to the penny.

It really was not very hard.

 

[Trench]

Trench. There is a little thing on a DVR called "pause". Then I went out to the BLS website, using their data manager (this takes a little skill, so not sure if you or Muff can do this) and ran a query that matched the number shown on TV to the penny.

It really was not very hard.

Then why don't you post the link? :shrug:

 

[Trench]

Trench. There is a little thing on a DVR called "pause". Then I went out to the BLS website, using their data manager (this takes a little skill, so not sure if you or Muff can do this) and ran a query that matched the number shown on TV to the penny.

It really was not very hard.

I checked the BLS site and I couldn't find those numbers either, Mags.

If it's so easy to "query" the data using the BLS "data manager", just post the link.

Mags?

Mags?

Bueller?

 

[ssd]

here:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-03-04-federal-pay_N.htm

 

[Duff Miver]

I checked the BLS site and I couldn't find those numbers either, Mags.

If it's so easy to "query" the data using the BLS "data manager", just post the link.

Mags?

Mags?

Bueller?

Pretty soon Maggot is going to tell you you're too stupid to find the Republican work-around too.

The reason Maggot won't post a link is because he knows it's a lie.

Any proper comparison would include equating education/skills/experience, and there is no such comparison showing government workers are paid more than private industry...simply because it is not so.

Maggot is like Limbaugh, claiming that a MS educated teacher with 20 years experience is equivalent to a starting 8th grade educated burger-flipper.

Maggot is a Goddamn liar, plain and simple. And a coward too.

Gawd, it must suck to be Maggot.

 

[Duff Miver]

here:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-03-04-federal-pay_N.htm

here what?

Bullshit. There's no data correction for education, skill level, or longevity.

Apples to oranges.

Here, try this -

But the truth is that a comparison of federal and private-sector pay, even by occupation, is misleading because the employees hired by the federal government often have higher levels of education than their counterparts in the private sector - even within the same occupations. When you factor in the education and experience of the federal workforce, there is no statistically significant difference in average pay levels.

He uses the example of registered nurses working at the Veterans Administration.

They care for the complex injuries and illnesses of our wounded warriors and veterans. Partly reflecting the complexity of the care they deliver, nurses working for the federal government are more than twice as likely to have a college degree as those employed by the private sector (24 percent relative to 11 percent). As another example, database administrators are twice as likely to have a post-collegiate degree in the federal government as those working in the private sector (31 percent versus 16 percent).

Overall, roughly half the federal workforce has a college degree, compared to about a third in the private sector. Most of the difference (82 percent) in average pay between the federal government and the private sector is explained by these differences in education. Holding education constant, federal workers earn $1,604 more than their private-sector counterparts on average. That is where the experience of the federal workforce comes into play. More experienced workers tend to earn more, and the federal workforce, by and large, is older on average than the private workforce. If you hold education and age constant - and thus have an apples to apples comparison - federal employees earn slightly less than those in the private sector on average, although the difference is not statistically significant.



Unlike Maggot, I provide a link -

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/co...2010/03/government-pay-vs-private-wages.shtml

 

[ssd]

i love how when any link or article or statistic does not agree with either side's point of view, they cry:

APPLES TO ORANGES!!

I say bullshit to you - this article did a very fair job representing the data. just because you did not like what it says does not make it irrelevant.

Here once again:

? Federal. The federal pay premium cut across all job categories ? white-collar, blue-collar, management, professional, technical and low-skill. In all, 180 jobs paid better average salaries in the federal government; 36 paid better in the private sector.

?Private. The private sector paid more on average in a select group of high-skill occupations, including lawyers, veterinarians and airline pilots. The government's 5,200 computer research scientists made an average of $95,190, about $10,000 less than the average in the corporate world.

?State and local. State government employees had an average salary of $47,231 in 2008, about 5% less than comparable jobs in the private sector. City and county workers earned an average of $43,589, about 2% more than private workers in similar jobs. State and local workers have higher total compensation than private workers when the value of benefits is included.