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Read this on yahoo..but it says that Seubert WAS an eligible receiver..then turns around and says that New York would've been flagged for Ineligible Receiver downfield:shrug:



Giants' holder could not have spiked ball

January 6, 2003

NEW YORK (AP) -- Giants holder Matt Allen could not have spiked the botched snap on the final play of New York's loss to the San Francisco 49ers. It's against the rules.

NFL Director of Officiating Mike Pereira said Monday that Allen would not have been allowed to immediately spike the ball because it was a long snap. The only time a player can spike the ball is when he takes the snap from under center. ADVERTISEMENT


With six seconds left Sunday and the Giants trailing 39-38, Matt Bryant lined up to try a potential game-winning 41-yard field goal. The snap from newly signed Trey Junkin was in the dirt. Allen fumbled the ball, then made a desperation pass downfield.

Fox commentator Cris Collinsworth said at the time that because it was third down, Allen could have spiked the ball, giving the Giants another chance at a kick. Afterward, on the Fox postgame show, other commentators agreed.

After a videotape review, Pereira said later Monday the officials should have called pass interference on 49ers defensive end Chike Okeafor for hitting Rich Seubert downfield when he was attempting to catch Allen's pass. Seubert was an eligible receiver on the play.

``If defensive pass interference had been called,'' an NFL statement explained, ``there would have been offsetting penalties (ineligible receiver against the Giants and pass interference against the 49ers), with the down replayed at the original line of scrimmage, the San Francisco 23-yard line. Although time had expired, a game cannot end with offsetting penalties. Thus, the game would have been extended by one untimed down.''
 

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Furthermore...THIS IS TOTAL B.S!!!! What the hell are the officials on the field for if they do not know how to interpret EVERY RULE IN THE DAMN BOOK!!:mad:
 

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I discussed that after the game with some people. We all said that it should have been offsetting penaltys. I knew we got screwed, now I feel like I got hit in the balls after reading that.
 

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He was an eligible receiver, but there was another lineman I think #65 who was not eligible who was downfield.
 

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espn..just reported a quote from the league basically saying that the refs screwed up....the man was eligible and there was pass interference on sanfran...the back judge should have thrown the flag...


cooz
 

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Actually the problem was that none of the refs involved actually threw a flag for PI.

The back judge assumed that the NYG player was illegaly downfield thus making the PI irrelevant. What he should have donw was call PI then discuss weather he was downfield.
 

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In view of the ineptitude they have displayed over and over again, doesn't the league have a representative there to straighten these things outA? Getting knocked out of the playoffs is a pretty serious thing - I don't think a letter of apology from the league will make the Giants feel any better!
 

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I would think the Giants can sue for lost revenues.

That play totally MAKES ME CRAZY, why wasn't no. 69 Seubert who knew he was elgible be going directly to the ref himself and his coach and every MO FO on the field and saying he was eligible.

Even with players in dressing room they should not have been that hard.

Illegal downfield, No. 65, eligible downfield No 69 and raped on play, offsetting penalties. Replay the down, I feel like a kick in the nuts too.

Brutal.

:thefinger :thefinger :thefinger :thefinger :thefinger
 

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I totally agree that the refs screwed everyone on Giants but game is over and Giants are done for the season. I dont care what anyone says because Giants did not lose on the last play of the game. They loss on the 25 unanswered points by the 49ers. I think that the teams performance in the 4th quarter is more at fault than a stupid referee who probably made a lot of money on that no-call.
 

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I dont think I will ever live that play down.
As part of that release from NFL about refs, I still cannot understand how they cant get the call right.

Why isnt #69 Siebert who he knows himself is eligible walking over the ref and telling him so.

How does that eligible receiver allow the refs to walk off field not calling pass interference. I used to laugh at people who came on chat boards and claimed that games were fixed. Not laughing anymore. How do you explain 24 pt lead, a blown snap, a guy not knowing he can throw it out of bounds and stop clock, and a guy on that same team that knew is was legal to catch the ball gets raped and just walks off field. There is nothing the ref could have told siebert on the play that justifies no Pass interference call.

I will never understand that one, EVER!
 

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BUMBLING Says Papa Joe Chevalier

BUMBLING Says Papa Joe Chevalier

Chris Collingsworth was the 1st to comment "all the holder had to do was spike the ball"

Troy Aikman chimes in .." That's correct Chris"
The announcer also agrees !!!!!!!!!!!

Back in the studio Terry Baldshaw, Jimmy The Hairstyle etc. also commit themselves to Collinsworths' bumbling.

Also Sporting News radio says that during the Post Game Show, Jimmy Johnson was saying that he used to have his team practice that play

What on earth is going on here?:D:lol:
 
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