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After more than two decades on the books, a little-known yet strictly enforced federal law barring foreigners with HIV or AIDS from entering the country is on its way out.

Tucked in a bill pledging $48 billion to combat the disease, signed into law by President Bush last week, was language stripping the provision from federal immigration law.

But that change didn't fully lift the entry ban on visitors with HIV or AIDS, which applies whether they're on tourist jaunts or seeking longer stays. The secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services still needs to delete HIV from the agency's list of ?communicable diseases of public health significance,? which includes tuberculosis, gonorrhea and leprosy.

An HHS spokeswoman declined to comment, noting administrators are still reviewing the new law. An April report from the Congressional Budget Office said that, based on information from HHS' Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, HIV will be dropped from the list and new regulations will be in place in two years.

Both immigrant and HIV awareness advocates, however, say the toughest hurdle has been cleared, that the lifting of the immigration provision has been a long time coming ? politics finally catching up with medical knowledge.

?Today everyone knows that you can't get AIDS from sitting next to someone on an airplane or sharing a bathroom ? American policy should reflect this,? said Victoria Neilson, legal director of Immigration Equality, a New York-based advocacy group that has led a years-long campaign against the ban.

In San Antonio, people in the HIV/AIDS community welcomed the new law, but noted that plenty of people here had already circumvented the travel ban, since the area has been a long-standing destination for unauthorized immigrants.

Jan Patterson, an infectious disease specialist in San Antonio, agreed that the ban has no scientific underpinning.

When HIV first surfaced, researchers didn't know how it was transmitted, but it has long been widely known that HIV is not easily contracted and that even people with full-blown AIDS can live for a long time, said Patterson, who has taught for 15 years at the University of Texas Health Science Center.

In a speech before signing the law, President Bush emphasized that ?HIV's deadly stigma? is still a societal obstacle because patients still don't receive mainstream acceptance.

Congressional support for lifting the travel ban was bipartisan and strong, but not unanimous. Leading the opposition was U.S. Rep. Lamar Smith of San Antonio, the top Republican in the House Judiciary Committee. He sent a missive to his colleagues titled ?The bill threatens the health and lives of Americans.?

The e-mail cited the CBO's April report predicting that revoking the travel ban would allow an estimated 4,300 immigrants with HIV to enter the country in 2013, increasing to 5,600 by 2018. Smith's message left out the report's estimate of the public cost of treating these immigrants and their children between 2010 and 2018: $83 million.

Smith warned the disease has killed more than 500,000 Americans despite improved treatment and that allowing infected foreigners in would increase public risk.

The Family Focused AIDS Clinical Treatment and Services, a 2,000-patient clinic in San Antonio, offers services to anyone diagnosed with HIV whether they're in the country legally or not, said its director, Tracy Talley.

So immigrants, particularly from Mexico, have made their way across the border for years just to get treatment unavailable back home, Talley said.

Many of them are referred to the clinic through a nonprofit aid group in San Antonio, Mujeres Unidas Contra el SIDA or United Women Against AIDS. The group's director, Yolanda Rodr?guez-Escobar, concurred with Talley that most HIV immigrants here are border-crossers who might never have heard of the travel exclusion.

They'd prefer to enter the country legally for treatment if given the option, said one of them. But in Mexico, the stigma of the disease is so great, those infected have always simply assumed their only immigration option is to go underground, he said.

?Everybody in Mexico knows that if you've got HIV, you might as well forget trying to get papers,? said Antonio, 41, an unauthorized immigrant with HIV in San Antoni.

Howard Wallen of New York tried to get papers to bring his wife into the country from Ethiopia, where he met her in 2002, later marrying her and having a daughter. They soon found out Abeba's HIV status prevented her from coming to the United States with him.

She eventually died from AIDS ? an outcome that might have been different had she received therapy in the United States, Wallen said.

?She deserved the dignity of that chance,? he said.

The HIV prohibition issue stretches beyond U.S. borders. The 11,000-member International AIDS Society counts 67 countries restricting the entry or stay of HIV patients
 

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Are we still afraid of AIDS in America ? By your #'s, 56,000 will be infected this yr. That is 0.018666 % in America. Unless you are a INTRAVENOUS DRUG USER that shares needles or have UNPROTECTED SEX out side of your marriage, what's the problem ? Now that the Government has the blood supply safe, what is the problem ?
 

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fwiw from my local view

AIDS is far more prevalent than you may think. GF works in the ER at Weiss Hospital (http://www.weisshospital.org/) and she tells me close to half of the patients she sees come through the ER are HIV or full blown AIDS. I wouldn't say it's located in a high end neighborhood, but it's not the West Side or Gary, Indiana. The point I take from her is that she tells me one would never know these people are infected by looking at them. And even then, it often takes major experience to catch any symptoms with the naked eye, without knowledge from the patient or their medical records. She also has seen a great deal of it working in family planning clinics here.

BTW

what happened to the forum Doc?

the one that Eddie had such a woodrow for?
 

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Are we still afraid of AIDS in America ? By your #'s, 56,000 will be infected this yr. That is 0.018666 % in America. Unless you are a INTRAVENOUS DRUG USER that shares needles or have UNPROTECTED SEX out side of your marriage, what's the problem ? Now that the Government has the blood supply safe, what is the problem ?

Yep and I see your from new york--
See any correlation to your attitude and reality

Appears your livng with your convictions--:shrug:

New York City remains the epicenter of the HIV/AIDS epidemic in the U.S. More than 100,000 New Yorkers are living with HIV, but thousands don?t know they?re infected. New York City has the highest AIDS case rate in the country, with more AIDS cases than Los Angeles, San Francisco, Miami, and Washington DC combined. HIV is the 3rd leading cause of death below age 65 in New York City. HIV is also the health problem with the largest racial disparity; 80% of new AIDS diagnoses and deaths are among African Americans and Hispanics. Prevention, testing, and treatment programs are being expanded, but more must be done.
 

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DTB Our Bud Kosar makes a good point. You never know it may a 100001. Or a Million. Who heck knows. Look at all the dibetics. Were talking huge numbers. Everyone needs help no matter what you have.
 

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Here's link from unknown author--New York City Dept of health

http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/ah/ah.shtml

Don't tell me you have no prob with lifting aids ban on immigrants Matt

What Mr B forgets in this day and time of preventive methods is the class of people spreading it--they don't give a fck.

Lets look at it from diff perspective--
What are the positives of allowing aids infected immigrants to the U.S.--other than increasing the Dem voting base?
 
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Weird how those 'thousands' themselves don't even know they're infected, but the anonymous author of this piece does!

It's not that weird. You can have HIV for some time without symptoms kicking in. Meanwhile you are spreading it around.
 

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It's not that weird. You can have HIV for some time without symptoms kicking in. Meanwhile you are spreading it around.

No shit. How does one go about estimating the amount of people that are afflicted with any sort of disease that they're not aware of, not just AIDS? There are latent 'symptoms'(which is a misnomer by definition in this context) with almost every sort of problem.
 

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No shit. How does one go about estimating the amount of people that are afflicted with any sort of disease that they're not aware of, not just AIDS? There are latent 'symptoms'(which is a misnomer by definition in this context) with almost every sort of problem.

Yeah, I would be curious to know how much is guessing, and how much of it is based on some statistical model.

Everyone who has HIV didn't know, at some point... and then they find out.

Same with any disease. So that number of "not aware" has to be changing all the time.

It is a strange thing to put a number on.
 

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Yep and I see your from new york--
See any correlation to your attitude and reality

Appears your livng with your convictions--:shrug:

New York City remains the epicenter of the HIV/AIDS epidemic in the U.S. More than 100,000 New Yorkers are living with HIV, but thousands don?t know they?re infected. New York City has the highest AIDS case rate in the country, with more AIDS cases than Los Angeles, San Francisco, Miami, and Washington DC combined. HIV is the 3rd leading cause of death below age 65 in New York City. HIV is also the health problem with the largest racial disparity; 80% of new AIDS diagnoses and deaths are among African Americans and Hispanics. Prevention, testing, and treatment programs are being expanded, but more must be done.

I live in syracuse... I don't have aids.... most Americans, black, white or green don't have aids .... these 80% numbers are great but look at the real numbers... No matter how you slice it < 1 or 2% of blacks or any Americans are living with aids..... NO ?
 

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from what I read. since 1981, 500,000 Americans have died from AIDS/HIV.......about 1,000,000 are living with it. .. America has & had about 1.5 million people with aids or dead from aids..... that is < .5 %.... Aids like most problems is educational and poverty driven......This is not 1978...... we know how it is transmitted, the government stopped the cover up and cleaned up the blood supply.... why the hysteria ? I believe the white media wants to spread fear with their Black American HIV stories. < 1 in 100 have aids... AM I wrong ?
 

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Beliieve the questions is on immigrants with aids being allowed to come to U.S. If they all are confined to your neighborhood I'd be all for it--unfortunately others have to live with your convictions--hell leprosy is contracted similiar to aids lets put them in your state also--
Lets make these liberal states colonies for the inflicted--hmm come to think of it if you look at demographics they already are?

Anything jump out at ya---

New York City has the highest AIDS case rate in the country, with more AIDS cases than Los Angeles, San Francisco, Miami, and Washington DC combined

Then bout a year later we can read the posts of how health insurance premiums have sky rocketed and how its GW and ins co fault. Right?
 

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New York City has the highest AIDS case rate in the country, with more AIDS cases than Los Angeles, San Francisco, Miami, and Washington DC combined

Then bout a year later we can read the posts of how health insurance premiums have sky rocketed and how its GW and ins co fault. Right?

I hate it when articles mix up statistical methods in one line.

NYC has the highest rate = interesting

With more cases than LA,SF,Miami,DC = not interesting (duh, NYC has more people than those places combined) ... that part is just redundant.
 

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Beliieve the questions is on immigrants with aids being allowed to come to U.S. If they all are confined to your neighborhood I'd be all for it--unfortunately others have to live with your convictions--hell leprosy is contracted similiar to aids lets put them in your state also--
Lets make these liberal states colonies for the inflicted--hmm come to think of it if you look at demographics they already are?

Anything jump out at ya---

New York City has the highest AIDS case rate in the country, with more AIDS cases than Los Angeles, San Francisco, Miami, and Washington DC combined

Then bout a year later we can read the posts of how health insurance premiums have sky rocketed and how its GW and ins co fault. Right?

If the question is about immigrants, why have you posted all the slanted numbers about Black Americans with Aids ? What % of Black Americans do you think or your sources say have AIDS ? Our government waste so much money, what's the harm in helping a few people ? Lets take all the money Our Government gives to the emenies of the American People foreign and domestic and give it to AIDS Immigrants.
 
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If the question is about immigrants, why have you posted all the slanted numbers about Black Americans with Aids ? What % of Black Americans do you think or your sources say have AIDS ? Our government waste so much money, what's the harm in helping a few people ? Lets take all the money Our Government gives to the emenies of the American People foreign and domestic and give it to AIDS Immigrants.

I posted the article----Sorry I don't omit facts that might offend liberals.

You can always do what most liberals do when they don't like the data--use the R card.

or if someone doesn't believe in same sex marriage or same gender sex is natural--use the H card.

Much easier to throw these terms out there--than dispute the facts. ;)

My take on Aids is it is a life style disease which is 99% preventable in some societies.

How exactly do you think aids was spread from country to country --and you want to import more carriers--sorry just doesn't register on the common sense scale:shrug:
 

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I posted the article----Sorry I don't omit facts that might offend liberals.

You can always do what most liberals do when they don't like the data--use the R card.

or if someone doesn't believe in same sex marriage or same gender sex is natural--use the H card.

Much easier to throw these terms out there--than dispute the facts. ;)

My take on Aids is it is a life style disease which is 99% preventable in some societies.

How exactly do you think aids was spread from country to country --and you want to import more carriers--sorry just doesn't register on the common sense scale:shrug:
I couldn't agree more , my first response states that......... AIDS is a life style disease accept if you received bad blood back in the late 70's or early 8o's........My take on Aids; it's a life style disease, that is why I think your hysteria along with the liberal medias hysteria is uncalled for. If you accept personal responsibilty for your life style, now that the blood supply is cleaned up, AIDS is not a factor in 98% of America. There is underlining racism in your post. We are talking about 1.5 million Americans in 30 yrs... That's epidemic ? < 1 0r 2 % of any group ! you don't like to look at these #'s, they don't fit your agenda. If you really look at it,this is just another example of where the far right and left meet. You have different agendas but both are hyping the numbers. Forget your talking points, put down the play book, look at the #'s, think about it ....
 
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I posted the article----Sorry I don't omit facts that might offend liberals.

You can always do what most liberals do when they don't like the data--use the R card.

or if someone doesn't believe in same sex marriage or same gender sex is natural--use the H card.

Much easier to throw these terms out there--than dispute the facts. ;)

My take on Aids is it is a life style disease which is 99% preventable in some societies.

How exactly do you think aids was spread from country to country --and you want to import more carriers--sorry just doesn't register on the common sense scale:shrug:


Who was offended? :shrug:

Don't be such a martyr
 
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