MANSON CHALLENGES CHADMAN'S PATHETIC EXCUSE

[CHARLESMANSON]

CHADMAN QUOTE:

"John Kerry was using information presented to him by intelligence provided and presented by the current administration"


If this is the case Chad.....I challenge you to explain these quotes by democrats BEFORE BUSH WAS IN OFFICE................
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"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998


"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998


"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998


"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998

 

[CHARLESMANSON]

or how about these gems................


"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998


"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

 

[CHARLESMANSON]

You pathetic liberals can blame Bush all you want for lying about WMD's. Even before Bush was in office the entire Clinton administration was saying THE SAME THING!!!!!

If Clinton, Gore, Berger, Pelosi, Kerry, Edwards, Albright, Levin, Kennedy, Byrd, Rockefeller, Russia, France, Britain, the CIA, the FBI, Vladamir Putin, Jordan, Egypt all say Saddam had WMD's - that's OK...............but if Bush says it - He's a liar!!!!!



H Y P O C R I T E S !!!!!!!!


:clap: :mj07: Eat crap Chad, I rest my case.

:mj14:

 

[JCDunkDogs]

Nice try. Your quotes are correct, but they are cherry picked, just like the intelligence Bush gave to Congress.

To quote "snopes.com" which offers a detailed analysis of the actual quotes (which have now been turned into urban legends of the Right Wing):

"ome of the quotes are truncated, and context is provided for none of them ? several of these quotes were offered in the course of statements that clearly indicated the speaker was decidedly against unilateral military intervention in Iraq by the U.S. Moreover, several of the quotes offered antedate the four nights of air strikes unleashed against Iraq by U.S. and British forces during Operation Desert Fox in December 1998, after which Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen and Gen. Henry H. Shelton (chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) announced the action had been successful in "degrad[ing] Saddam Hussein's ability to deliver chemical, biological and nuclear weapons."

 

[CHARLESMANSON]

TYPICAL LIBERAL!!! FACTS HURT DON'T THEY JC?? lol. :142smilie

My quotes were PRE-BUSH!!! How could they have got the intell from him?? :mj07:
SINCE YOU CHALLENGED ME - I DARE YOU TO PROVE MY QUOTES WRONG.


SHOW ME WHAT I MANIPULATED. SHOW ME WHAT IS TRUNCATED.

Here......here's another one for you....let's start with this one...............


BILL CLINTON 12/16/98 FROM THE OVAL OFFICE

"Instead of inspectors disarming Saddam, Saddam has disarmed the inspectors,"

"The best way to end the threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government -- a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people,"

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In that same speech Clinton also said that the report handed in by Richard Butler of the UN Special Commission in charge of finding and destroying Iraqi weapons, was stark and sobering.

 

[Chadman]

I am very busy today, will have plenty of time this weekend to discuss this further, and I will.

You keep bringing up all of these quotes...pre-Bush, current-Bush, etc. and saying that they are saying the same things that Bush said - and has done. They are not the same. Do any of these quotes suggest INVADING Iraq with little actual troop support from other countries...using biological weapons against inncoent people (the same thing we are supposedly there to find and disarm Saddam of) and maintaining a presence there indefinitely at an astronomical cost EACH month?

Each of these people are making sensible comments that pretty much anyone can agree with. They are even making "hawkish" suggestions to the effect of striking the worrisome areas in Iraq with air and missile strikes to diminish his capabilities. This makes sense. We did that with Libya, and it certainly worked. We did this before in Iraq and other areas and it worked.

I do not support the way we have done this, and I probably never will. It doesn't make political, financial, or democracy-building sense to me, personally. I think this war has done immense damage to our country in the eyes of the world. I am EMBARRASSED that George Bush represents this country, both here and abroad. I also found the Clinton/Monica situation embarrassing for this country.

You can copy and paste all these quotes, and it would take a long time to track down all of the complete essays in which these comments were dissected from. I personally don't have time to do that, and if that makes me OWNED by some of you boys, then you keep telling yourselves that. I do plan to dig deeper on this, and post more on it.

Did you notice that Edwards commented the other day that he was wrong to have acted the way he did on this issue? That was something. Clinton admitted that the Waco thing was handled terribly wrong BY HIM. Stand up comments. Comments that we will NEVER see by the current admins.

 

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Im sure you have PLENTY of time this weekend. :grins:

 

[JCDunkDogs]

As I already mentioned, all of the quotes listed above are substantially correct, only the context is wrong. You can pull as many quotes as you like off the web. It doesn?t prove Bush didn?t mislead the Congress of the United States and the American people.

All of your pre-1998 quotes suffer from the same defects: they precede Operation Desert Fox in December 1998. We bombed him for four nights, after which Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen and Gen. Henry H. Shelton announced the action had been successful in "degrad[ing] Saddam Hussein's ability to deliver chemical, biological and nuclear weapons."

Besides, none of the pre-1998 data was used to persuade the Congress of the United States and the American people to invade Iraq. That was George W. Bush that made that decision. He was pissed because Saddam threatened to kill his daddy.

So, what intelligence info was withheld?

The caveats that said ?might? and ?could.?

There were many intelligence agencies which presented with the National Intelligence Estimate in the classified version, the one the President had. Some caveats said, ?we don?t find that there is a nuclear program,? ?we don?t find that the aluminum tubes were suitable for centrifuges,? ?we disagree that there was a transfer of uranium from Africa to Saddam Hussein,? and ?we disagree with the Al Qaeda connection, we don?t think there was one.?

One statement said, ?Saddam Hussein is a secular Arab who would never trust an unknown and unpredictable maniac like Bin Laden with his future, or with any weapons whatsoever,? and ?Saddam Hussein would never give control to Osama Bin Laden in this manner,? and ?Saddam Hussein believes in Stalinist Secularism and would have nothing to do with an Islamic, radical, fundamentalist like Osama Bin Laden. He doesn?t trust him.? That was left out, and seventy-two percent of the American people were left with the impression that Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein had pulled-off September 11.

Why are we fighting this war? So a man who is a known embezzler and Iranian spy of Jordanian descent, Ahmed Chalaby, could be hand picked and placed by the President and Vice President and his team of foreign policy experts to take over Iraq.

 

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:mj07: you just attacked manson for quoting and then used qoutes seven times in the same post :mj07: