mavs open up the 2nd half with turnovers on each of their first 2 possessions, and the warriors open up the 2nd half with a missed shot and offensive rebounds and then nail a 3 on both of their first 2 possessions...warriors clearly want it more, and dallas has allowed them to get too many offensive rebounds in this game so far
MAVS = NO HEART
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I don't think they have no heart - they are just flustered. Warriors are playing with nothing to lose. Dallas is playing with a lot of expectations, and feeling the pressure.
Quite a rowdy crowd there tonight too - that doesn't help the Mavs much...
Quite a rowdy crowd there tonight too - that doesn't help the Mavs much...
dirk hasn't made a godd^&m shot this half, but he's jacking up 3 after 3 and will not take it to the basket...stackhouse had an amazing first 20 minutes of the 2nd half, butin the final 4 minutes of the half, he decided to quit driving and getting to the free throw line and to start jacking up 3's also...mavs were up 1 and stackhouse shot 3 consecutive 3's and missed them all, why quit doing what got you your 7 point lead.....and it is no heart when you get beat on every rebound, every loose ball, and ev ery fast break.
agree with hippo,,the mavs happen to run into the best 8th seed ever..its a shame they had to face em un the 1st rnd..this is a diffrent team when healthy and they matchup great against the mavs,just look at their record against them
its nothing about heart and everything to do with being overrated. I said it last year and hopefully everyone is seeing it this year. Dirk may be the worst defensive player i have ever seen. Your not a great player when you can't defend and as usual when it is playoff time there are better teams and guys can guard him where he gets shut down. Stackhouse is a mistake waiting to happen and Terry is an average point guard at best. Howard shows up one game and then not the next. Last years finals were the worst finals i ever witnessed with two very overrated teams who got help getting to the finals by the great NBA officials. Every freaking time they beat Phoenix , Phoenix has five times more fouls then Dallas. Dirk reminds me a lot like Donovan Mcnab. They play well against shitty teams and then when it is time to step up against the elite teams the disappear.
dirk is not the problem...he does whats asked of him,,its the rest of the team thats overmatched here
Moe Dirk is a good player and that is it. He is no superstar. He has always been on teams with pretty good players around him. Mcgrady completely shut him down a few years ago in the playoffs. You put an average defender on him and if the refs let the defender play and don't call those phantom fouls he gets shut down. What good is it if he gets 30 points but gives up 25? His defense is absolutely horrible. Yes you are right about Davis he is making an example out of Terry.
I would agree that, generally speaking, the Mavs don't have much heart. This goes all the way back to LAST season when they had a regular season road game against the Clippers at the end of the year in which homecourt advantage throughout the playoffs was on the line for the Mavs and the Clips had nothing whatsoever to play for. Cassell and Brand didn't even play and Mobley left the game early with an injury. Long story short, Mavs had a 6 or 7 point lead at halftime and proceeded to shoot something like 25% in the 2h and lost outright by 4 or 5. And it wasn't just bad shooting, they totally mailed in the 2h. It was like they didn't even want to be there. I have NEVER forgotten that game. Anytime I think about betting the Mavs I think back to that game and that keeps me away.
As for this game, I give GS a lot of credit and I can't fault Dallas too much because they came back numerous times in a hostile environment. GS is probably the best 8 seed I've ever seen. If we're being honest they're probably more like a 3 seed. And this is just my opinion but the reason GS won this game was because Dallas refused to play perimeter defense and/or box out. There seems to be the notion that if someone wants to take a 3 you just let them because, after all, it's not a high percentage shot. I've never understood that. Why not contest it and make it an even lower percentage shot? They let GS make 3's like crazy and they didn't even attempt to box out. Then again, I can't think of a single NBA player that boxes out, but it's something they teach you in elementary school so there's really no excuse to not know how to do it. It's just laziness, pure and simple. But there I go again expecting professional athletes to use fundamentals! :mj07:
As for heartless teams, I think Toronto and Miami have the market cornered there. Miami just ran into a better team with more talent in Chicago but their effort was embarrassing nonetheless. And New Jersey is probably a better overall team than Toronto but the Raptors effort in their series has been inexcusable. If they had any integrity they wouldn't accept their playoff checks. Their season was on the line tonight and they just flat-out didn't show up. Down by 30 with about 8 minutes to go in the THIRD quarter? Wow. :com:
As for this game, I give GS a lot of credit and I can't fault Dallas too much because they came back numerous times in a hostile environment. GS is probably the best 8 seed I've ever seen. If we're being honest they're probably more like a 3 seed. And this is just my opinion but the reason GS won this game was because Dallas refused to play perimeter defense and/or box out. There seems to be the notion that if someone wants to take a 3 you just let them because, after all, it's not a high percentage shot. I've never understood that. Why not contest it and make it an even lower percentage shot? They let GS make 3's like crazy and they didn't even attempt to box out. Then again, I can't think of a single NBA player that boxes out, but it's something they teach you in elementary school so there's really no excuse to not know how to do it. It's just laziness, pure and simple. But there I go again expecting professional athletes to use fundamentals! :mj07:
As for heartless teams, I think Toronto and Miami have the market cornered there. Miami just ran into a better team with more talent in Chicago but their effort was embarrassing nonetheless. And New Jersey is probably a better overall team than Toronto but the Raptors effort in their series has been inexcusable. If they had any integrity they wouldn't accept their playoff checks. Their season was on the line tonight and they just flat-out didn't show up. Down by 30 with about 8 minutes to go in the THIRD quarter? Wow. :com:
Just watch tomorrow. there is no way in hell the Mavs should be a nine point favorite. Watch how this game is called. Gstate won't be allowed to come within ten feet of Dallas players. Maybe the refs can throw out a few of Gstates players so they can get the cover again. That is how they usually win. Watch the two quick fouls on Davis which will take him right out of the game.
I agree the next GS game won't be close but I don't know if the refereeing will have much to do with it. Game 5 is going to be an impossible spot for GS. Dallas down 3-1 and playing at home with their season on the line, I fully expect them to win by 14 or 15. Not because I think they're a much better team, but because in this spot Dallas has their backs against the wall and I think GS might still be patting themselves on the back for getting up 3-1. I think game 5 will be a huge letdown for GS. Game 6 is going to be a great game. I know a lot of people are saying Dallas is done but if they can get game 6 they win the series.
Irk is the biggest fraud.. :scared
He shouldnt win mvp :nono:
Guy cant cover anyone.. thus all the zone defense.. He hardly ever gets any assits, never any offensive rebounds. A big game for him is 28 points and 12 boards..
Go warrirors
He shouldnt win mvp :nono:
Guy cant cover anyone.. thus all the zone defense.. He hardly ever gets any assits, never any offensive rebounds. A big game for him is 28 points and 12 boards..
Go warrirors
Glen there is no shot of Dallas winning by that much unless the refs get involved. And they will if they want Dallas to cover. Dirk will do his usual flopping and complaining and if you look close nobody is even touching him. He is not the worst flopper in the league tho, that goes to Ginobli by far but dirk does it to.
I agree that Dallas will probably get more calls. However, I don't know if that has to do with the league wanting them to cover as much as it does that they will be the home team and they are a 1 seed. Home teams always get more calls, and if they are the better team they will almost always get the majority of the calls.
As for not being able to win by double-digits in game 5 without the help of the refs, I'm not sure why you think that. Last night they played in an incredibly hostile environment and there were numerous times in that game that they held 7, 8, 9 point leads, etc., they just could never pull away because they played ZERO perimeter defense and gave up a ton of offensive rebounds. If they had committed to playing defense they not only would have won last night, they probably would have won fairly easily. If last night's game had been played in Dallas I think they would have pulled away. But because teams play so poorly on the road, they could never do that.
I just think game 5 is going to be in an incredibly difficult spot for GS. They have to be riding the high of winning that thriller in game 4 and I just don't think there is any way they can be as hungry to win game 5 as Dallas will be. They know they can lose game 5 and still have a 3-2 lead AND they will get to go back to GS for game 6 where they know they can beat Dallas. Like I said before, I don't think Dallas winning easily in game 5 (if that does happen) will have anything to do with talent, I think it's more the situation. Dallas will be playing in an elimination game at home, where the crowd will be going nuts. I realize GS had played Dallas very tough so far but I think they're going to run into a buzzsaw in Dallas in game 5. And this is just my opinion, but I think they would much rather close the series out at home anyway.
books don't think that much of the warriors chances to win the series as they are only -170 favs to win the series now with a 3-1 lead.
i still think the mavs win the series. but the price ain't right at +160. mavs will win game 5. no idea if they cover. it all comes down to if they can win game 6 in oakland. if they do, forget about gs in game 7. will never happen. very similar to the lakers/suns series last year.
and i agree about dirk not being a leader yet or being able to carry his team. great player, just cannot translate it to carrying a team when it counts.
gl
i still think the mavs win the series. but the price ain't right at +160. mavs will win game 5. no idea if they cover. it all comes down to if they can win game 6 in oakland. if they do, forget about gs in game 7. will never happen. very similar to the lakers/suns series last year.
and i agree about dirk not being a leader yet or being able to carry his team. great player, just cannot translate it to carrying a team when it counts.
gl
i actually think they will comeback and win this series but they will do it with some much needed help from the officials and if people don't believe this doesn't happen then they don't watch the games close enough
Completely agree. Game 6 is going to be a helluva game. If Dallas can get that win I think GS will get clobbered in game 7. You wanna talk about inflated lines? What do you think Dallas would be favored by if they win game 6? I'm guessing at least 12.
Like I said before, I think home teams DO get more calls than road teams. However, that's true at every level. Hell, I remember playing high school ball and getting a lot more calls when we were at home than we did on the road. Refs are human and they let the crowd influence their decision-making. Not saying it's right or it should happen, but it does. A good example of the home team bias... last night GS was the home team and they took 37 free throws compared to just 26 for Dallas.
I completely agree that the refereeing in the NBA is horrid. I just don't know that I believe there are any conspiracies going on. If the league really wants Dallas to win so bad why did they give GS more calls last night?
playoff games aren't fixed. zero chance of that.
regular season games are. perhaps not who wins but definitely by how much. its not that uncommon.
and the nba doesn't really care if dallas wins. is there a more boring team than dallas. there is nothing to promote about that team. they have the 2nd most boring superstar in the nba next to only tim duncan. at least gs is fun team to watch.
gl
