MEN WHO SELL WAR

[StevieD]

MEN WHO SELL WAR . 2005 REPORT


Democrats:
* Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
* David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
* Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
* Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army
journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
* Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
* Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
* John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat
V,
Purple Hearts.
* Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
* Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star,
Vietnam. Paraplegic from war injuries. Served in Congress.
* Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
* Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
* Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
* Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven campaign
ribbons.
* Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze
Stars,and Soldier's Medal.
* Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and
Legion of Merit.
* Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
* Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze
Star with Combat V.
* Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
* Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
* Chuck Robb: Vietnam
* Howell Heflin: Silver Star
* George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
* Bill Clint! on: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but
received #311.
* Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
* Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
* John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and AirMedal with 18 Clusters.
* Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul
Wallenberg.


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Republicans -- and these are the guys sending people to war:
* Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by
marriage.
* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
* Tom Delay: did not serve.
* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
* Bill Frist: did not serve.
* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
* Trent Lott: did not serve.
* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Karl Rove: did not serve.
* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max
Cleland's patriotism.
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
* Vin Weber: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve.
* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
* Jon! Kyl: did not serve.
* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Don Rumsfeld: se! rved in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got
assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend running
for
U.S. Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam,
disappeared from duty.
* Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non- combat role
making movies.
* B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in
Korea.
* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
* John McCain: Vietnam POW, Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit,
Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
* JC Watts: did not serve.
* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem, " although continued in NFL
for 8 years as quarterback.
* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
* George! Pataki: did not serve.
* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
* John Engler: did not serve.
* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.


Pundits & Preachers
* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve.
* George Will: did not serve.
* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
* Bill Bennett: did not serve.
* Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
* John Wayne: did not serve.
* Bill Kristol: did not serve.
* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
* Ralph Reed: did not serve.
* Michael Medved: did not serve.
* Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
* Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't
shoot
back.)

 

[Master Capper]

Little boys that like to play ARMY as long as they don't have to be the ones doing battle! The one about Jack Kemp is funny, his knee was too bad to serve but it could withstand the physical nature of pro football. Maybe if Cheney had not had other priorities like boozing he would of been able to distinguish between an balsa wood plane and weapons of mass destruction

 

[Master Capper]

Chickenhawks:
Bureaucratic Battalion




Name: Spencer Abraham
Born: 1952
Employer: The U.S. Taxpayer
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: Our Secretary of Energy was formerly the Senator from Detroit. In his failed run for re-election the auto industry gave him ,000 - more than it gave any other senatorial candidate. Now, there?s a guy who?s eager to promote alternative energy sources! Couldn?t muster up the gumption to take on Uncle Ho, though.




Name: Eliot Abrams
Born: 1948
Employer: The U.S. Taxpayer
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: T aptant Secretary of State, Elliott Abrams now holds a National Security Council staff position. This despite widespread feeling that he ought to be in jail somewhere. After all, he was convicted of lying to Congress about the Iran/Contra affair.




Name: Gary Bauer
Born: 1946
Employer: ouramericanvalues.org
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: A reliable cog in the Republican machine, a bureaucrat under Reagan, and later a preposterous candidate for president, Gary Bauer isn?t particularly combative - he?s no Ann Coulter. Diminutive and cherubic even in his fifties, he?s hardly the sort of recruit a drill sargent would see as a potential soldier. Which is just as well, because when he otherwise would have qualified for the Vietnam draft, he had a ?vague physical problem? that got him a 1-Y draft classification - ?draft only if the Canadians are crossing the border shooting.?




Name: John Bolton
Born: 1948
Employer: The U.S. Taxpayer
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: Let?s see - he?s the Bush administration?s man for arms control, and he opposed the Anti-ABM treaty and the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. Got his start at State with help from Jesse Helms. Bolton had previously helped Helms get around campaign finance limits. For all his hawkish ways, he never found his way to Vietnam, though.




Name: Andrew "Andy" Card
Born: May 10, 1947
Employer: The U.S. Taxpayer
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: Andy, as he likes to be called, used to be ?the automotive industry?s main voice.? As such, he ?lobbied the U.S. government against stricter fuel emissions standards.? Lobbying for the Chamber of Commerce, he ?testified before Congress against the ?Passengers' Bill of Rights.?? He got paid well enough for these services to the (business) community to be able to afford "nearly ,000 in campaign contributions in 1999-2000, including 1,000 each to fellow members of the new administration, John Ashcroft and Spencer Abraham, for their ultimately unsuccessful senate bids.? These days, of course, he?s George?s Chief of Staff. And - oh, yes - he?s a chickenhawk. (Source: Center for Responsive Politics.)




Name: Richard "Dick" Cheney (R-WY)
Born: 1942
Employer: The U.S. Taxpayer
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: Says he had "other priorities." You bet he had other priorities. Imagine how early in life you must begin scheming to get away with what this guy has. He was too busy thinking about Halliburton to go fight Charlie.




Name: William "Bill" Bennett
Born: 1943
Employer: Empower America
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: Bill's occupation used to be "public scold," but since his gambling habit was exposed, he's a little less noisy on that front. Bill's a triple-crown winner as a former bureaucrat, a propagandist, and a barking head. (All barking heads are propagandists, but not all propagandists are barking heads.)




Name: Don Evans
Born: 1946
Employer: The U.S. Taxpayer
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: The Secretary of Commerce has known George W. Bush from the old days in the oil industry. Evans raised over million for Bush's presedential selection. Like his pal, George, Don Evans was otherwise occupied when his country needed him to fight the 'Cong.




Name: Frank Gaffney
Born: 1953
Employer: Indeterminate
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: Frank here is a very clever boy. Built a thing called the Center for Security Policy, which apparently keeps him in nice suits so he will look good in front of the TV cameras, which can't seem to get enough of him. As far as we can tell, Frank is a freelance salesman for the defense industry who is paid by an elaborately circuitous process. For all his obsession with the military, it's funny he never served.




Name: Asa Hutchinson
Born: 1950
Employer: The U.S. Taxpayer
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: Our present Under Secretary for Border and Transportation Security has a long career of public service. Prior to his present task of ?coordinating the enforcement activities of our borders, waterways, transportation and immigration systems,? he was ?Drug Tsar.? We all know how well that went. He was picked for that position while serving as a congressman from Arkansas, where he was originally plucked from obscurity as a rural lawyer by Ronald Reagan. Oddly enough, the trail of Hutchinson?s public service stops short of Vietnam.




Name: I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby
Born: 1950?
Employer: The U.S. Taxpayer
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: I. Lewis ?Scooter? Libby is Dick Cheney?s Chief of Staff. He?s had a string of no-doubt well-paying government jobs in State and Defense. He?s also practiced law. In fact, he was Marc Rich?s lawyer for years. Yes ? the Marc Rich whose pardon from President Clinton was excoriated by so many high and mighty Republicans. Maybe if Scooter had been a better lawyer, his client wouldn?t have needed that pardon. Speaking of legal questions, ?Scooter? is alleged by some to have traded energy stocks while helping his buddy Dick Cheney cook up a new energy policy in secret. He?s also suspected of having inserted the bogus ?Niger yellowcake? reference into the President?s State of the Union address. As if all that weren?t enough, he?s also a top suspect in the outing of CIA operative Valeria Plame. Clearly ?Scooter? is a ballsy kind of guy, so it?s a complete mystery to us why, when he graduated from Phillips Andover in 1968, he didn?t enlist in the Marines or go Airborne instead of going to Yale.




Name: Richard Perle
Born: 1941
Employer: Impossible to say for sure
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: Along with Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle is one of the chief architects of the present debacle in Iraq. Nicknamed ?The Prince of Darkness,? he was chairman of the Defense Policy Board. He got demoted to board member after an ethics flap. Space does not permit even an index to the reasons why this man should not be trusted.




Name: Donald "The Don" Rumsfeld
Born: 1932
Employer: The U.S. Taxpayer
Conflict Avoided: Korea
Notes: When the shooting started in Korea Rummy here was either 18, or about to turn 18. Not to worry for him, though ? he spent the war at Princeton, wearing a ROTC uniform. Once the war was over he flew jets for the Navy for a few years. Defenders of Rumsfeld will say he?s no chickenhawk ? he served, and it?s not his fault the war ended before he got his commission. To which others answer, ?plenty of farmers and mechanics and kids just out of high school served. Anyone as full of whatever that stuffing in him is, could have tried out for a battlefield commission.?




Name: Paul Wolfowitz
Born: 1943
Employer: The U.S. Taxpayer
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: Deputy Secretary for Defense - yet another Bush administration man in the Pentagon who has no idea what it's like to wear a uniform. He got a BA at Cornell in 1965. Maybe if we'd had a guy as bright as he thinks he is in Vietnam, it would have turned out differently.

 

[Master Capper]

Name: William "Bill" Bennett
Born: 1943
Employer: Empower America
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: Bill's occupation used to be "public scold," but since his gambling habit was exposed, he's a little less noisy on that front. Bill's a triple-crown winner as a former bureaucrat, a propagandist, and a barking head. (All barking heads are propagandists, but not all propagandists are barking heads.)




Name: Ann Coulter
Conflict Avoided: Desert Storm
Notes: Critics will howl that a woman can?t be a chickenhawk. In Ann Coulter?s case, that doesn?t matter; anyone with her level of bellicosity deserves to be held to a higher standard.




Name: Frank Gaffney
Born: 1953
Employer: Indeterminate
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: Frank here is a very clever boy. Built a thing called the Center for Security Policy, which apparently keeps him in nice suits so he will look good in front of the TV cameras, which can't seem to get enough of him. As far as we can tell, Frank is a freelance salesman for the defense industry who is paid by an elaborately circuitous process. For all his obsession with the military, it's funny he never served.




Name: Rep. Newton Leroy "Newt" Gingrich (R-GA)
Born: June 17, 1943
Employer: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: A virtuoso in the art of hypocrisy, the former Speaker of the House now claims the Vietnam War was a splendid idea, but at the time he opposed going himself. Newtie also speaks highly of morality, but as a serial adulterer he doesn?t want to get too close to it himself.




Name: Sean Hannity
Born: December, 1961
Employer: Rupert Murdoch
Conflict Avoided: Desert Storm
Notes: Plenty of guys his age were in Desert Storm - what's his excuse?




Name: David Limbaugh
Born: December 11, 1952
Employer: newspapers with low standards
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: David's no fool - he stayed in school! Straight from high school to college in '71, where he stayed 'till '75, when the war was safely over. Poly sci major, wouldn't you know? The least annoying of the Limbaugh brothers, but only because he's more obscure.




Name: Rush Limbaugh
Born: 1951
Employer: Yack Radio
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: Where to begin ... a joke about the Hindenburg? No, let's go right to the reason he had to stay home from the war - the world's most famous anal cyst. He's denied it, but www.snopes.com, the Urban Legends Reference Pages, has got the goods on him.




Name: William "Bill" O'Reilly
Born: 1949
Employer: Rupert Murdoch
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: Bill O?Reilly loves to come off as a straight-talking, blue-collar kind of guy. Funny, a lot of guys who fit that description and graduated high school the same year he did - 1967 - went straight to Vietnam. Not our Bill - he went to college. And he didn?t just go to college, he spent his junior year, 1969-1970, in London. He graduated in 1971, briefly exposing him to the draft again, but Bill was miraculously spared.




Name: Michael Reagan
Born: March 18, 1946
Employer: Yack Radio
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: What are the odds anyone would know who he is if everybody didn't know who his daddy was? What are the odds he would have escaped the draft if his name had been Manual Rodriguez?




Name: Michael Savage
Born: Unk.
Employer: UNK.
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: We're not sure if this frothing lunatic is still on the air. Didn't he get canned for saying all gays should contract AIDS and die? If only he could have channeled all that animosity against Ho Chi Minh - we'd be selling Big Macs in Vietnam today!




Name: Rep. Joseph "Joe" Scarborough (R-FL)
Born: April 9, 1963
Employer: MSNBC
Conflict Avoided: Desert Storm
Notes: A former Republican congresman (1995-2002) turned MSNBC motormouth, Joe qualifies as a politician and a barking head. Where were you during Desert Storm, pal?

 

[Master Capper]

Chickenhawks:
Chaplain Corps




Name: Rev. Jerry Falwell
Born: 1933
Employer: Thomas Road Baptist Church
Conflict Avoided: Korea, Peacetime Draft
Notes: Jerry could probably have served in Korea - other kids his age did. He certainly could have been drafted into the peacetime Army. He called the members of his '70's cult the Moral Majority "soldiers of morality." For all his loathing of communism, it's a pity he didn't get to kill a few when he was young.




Name: Dr. Marion "Pat" Robertson
Born: 1930
Employer: Christian Broadcasting Network
Conflict Avoided: Korea
Notes: Dr. Pat claimed in his biography to have "seen combat in Korea. He was in Korea in uniform briefly, but his daddy the Congressman got his reassigned to Japan. His picture belongs in the dictionary next to "pious fraud." Just recently declared that the State Department ought to get nuked, but has yet to be indicted for uttering a terrorist statement.

 

[Master Capper]

Politicans Platoon




Name: George W. Bush (R-TX)
Born: 1946
Employer: The U.S. Taxpayer
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: You know when a guy walks away from a National Guard obligation during wartime and gets away with it, he must come from "a good family." Not that his daddy had anything to do with his getting a Guard slot in the first place - oh, no ...




Name: Richard "Dick" Cheney (R-WY)
Born: 1942
Employer: The U.S. Taxpayer
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: Says he had "other priorities." You bet he had other priorities. Imagine how early in life you must begin scheming to get away with what this guy has. He was too busy thinking about Halliburton to go fight Charlie.




Name: Rep. Roscoe Bartlett (R-MD)
Born: June 3, 1926
Employer: The U.S. Taxpayer
Conflict Avoided: WWII
Notes: Nominated as a chickenhawk by a constituent, Roscoe Bartlett brings to his job on the House Armed Services committee a mind that?s unbiased and unprejudiced ? though he had turned 18 by D-Day, when there was still plenty of opportunity to become a bona fide member of the Greatest Generation?, Roscoe let the war go by without putting on a uniform. We don?t know why; perhaps you could ask him.




Name: Rep. Charlie Bass (R-NH)
Born: January 8, 1952
Employer: The U.S. Taxpayer
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: When your old man's U.S. Representative Perkins Bass (2nd District, NH, 1955-1962), and your grandfather's Governor Robert T. Bass (NH, 1911-1913), chances are slim you'll ever get called "Private Bass," even if you are born in 1952.




Name: Rep. Roy Blunt (R-MO)
Born: January 10, 1950
Employer: The U.S. Taxpayer
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: The Congressman from Missouri and House Majority Whip who?s so concerned about defending America that offered an amendment to the law creating the Homeland Security department that would have made it tougher to sell cigarettes over the ?Net. It wouldn?t have helped the whole country, but the part of it that belongs to Phillip Morris would have benefited. Born just about the right time for Vietnam, somehow Blunt was at Southwest Baptist University when he could have been keeping the ?Cong out of Chillicothe, MO.




Name: Gov. Jeb Bush (R-FL)
Born: 1953
Employer: Florida Taxpayers
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: When Jeb was younger he managed to avoid fighting for democracy in Vietnam. When his older brother's future job was on the line, though, he had no trouble fighting democracy.




Name: Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)
Born: 1943
Employer: The U.S. Taxpayer
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: There are chickenhawks, and then there are chickenhawks. Saxby Chambliss is a chickenhawk supreme. He got himself elected to the Senate by casting aspersions on the patriotism of the incumbent, Democrat Max Cleland. Cleland lost three limbs serving his country in Vietnam. Saxby Chambliss was unable to serve because of his bad knees, but somehow is able to totter along as a recreational runner.




Name: Rep. Tom "The Exterminator" DeLay (R-TX)
Born: April 8, 1947
Employer: The U.S. Taxpayer
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: One of our most-nominated chickenhawks, Mr. DeLay has said he wanted to serve in Vietnam, but was unable to since all the positions had been taken by blacks and hispanics. We suspect there might be someone in Iraq today who would be willing to trade places with Mr. DeLay ...




Name: Rep. Charles Gwynne Douglas, III (R-NH)
Born: Dec. 2, 1942
Employer: Was U.S. Taxpayer
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: Not so notable for bellicosity, but he makes up for it with fervid Republican zeal. Graduated from UNH in 1965, when the draft was pretty strong, but went straight to BU Law. Got out of there in 1968, when it was even stronger. No problem - Ol? Chuck was ?admitted to the bar in 1968 and commenced practice in Manchester, N.H., 1970-1974,? according to an unimpeachable source. How?s he manage to avoid Vietnam? According to that same source, http://bioguide.congress.gov, the future Congressman (NH, 2nd District, 1989-1991) was a ?[C]olonel, New Hampshire Army National Guard, 1968 to present.?




Name: Rep. Newton Leroy "Newt" Gingrich (R-GA)
Born: June 17, 1943
Employer: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: A virtuoso in the art of hypocrisy, the former Speaker of the House now claims the Vietnam War was a splendid idea, but at the time he opposed going himself. Newtie also speaks highly of morality, but as a serial adulterer he doesn?t want to get too close to it himself.




Name: Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH)
Born: February 14, 1947
Employer: The U.S. Taxpayeer
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: Another member of New Hampshire?s hereditary political aristocracy (see also: Charlie Bass and John Sununu) Judd?s daddy was Governor of New Hampshire from 1953 to 1955. Young Judd graduated from Columbia in ?69 and apparently went straight to BU Law until the coast was clear. For good measure, he got written up for bad knees. They weren?t so bad he couldn?t spend half his term as Governor on the ski slopes.




Name: Rep. Dennis Hastert (R-IL)
Born: January 2, 1942
Employer: The U.S. Taxpayer
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: Dennis wasn't able to serve in the Army in Vietnam because his knees weren't up to it. He did OK as a wrestler in college, though.




Name: Sen. Chester Trent Lott (R-MS)
Born: October 9, 1941
Employer: The U.S. Taxpayer
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: We're not sure why Trent didn't serve. Maybe he didn't think he'd look good in Army green. He was a cheerleader in college instead. Wonder how he looked in a cheerleader's uniform?




Name: Sen. Don Nickles (R-OK)
Born: December 6, 1948
Employer: The U.S. Taxpayer
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: Another National Guard-type Republican. It must be noted that service in the Guard these days is vastly different from what it was in the Vietnam era. When Don went in in 1970, it was a safe slot. Thanks to guys like Don, that's no longer true.




Name: Sen. J. Danforth "Dan" Quayle (R-IN)
Born: February 4, 1947
Employer: "investment firm in Phoenix" - Dan Quayle Museum
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: The Indiana National Guard was a nice safe place for young Dan during the Vietnam era. Good thing he was from "a good family" - too good to waste their boy in a war.




Name: Gov. Marc Racicot (R-MT)
Born: July 24, 1948
Employer: The Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: Marc got a BA in 1970, and immediately took the grad school route. Once the war was safely over he went in the service as an Army lawyer. After his gig as governor was up, he got the top spot at the RNC, likely as a reward for helping W. grab Florida.




Name: Rep. Joseph "Joe" Scarborough (R-FL)
Born: April 9, 1963
Employer: MSNBC
Conflict Avoided: Desert Storm
Notes: A former Republican congresman (1995-2002) turned MSNBC motormouth, Joe qualifies as a politician and a barking head. Where were you during Desert Storm, pal?




Name: Gov. Meldrim "Mel" Thomson (R-Orford)
Born: March 8, 1929
Employer: His Daddy's Publishing Co, Inc.
Conflict Avoided: Korea
Notes: Meldrim Thomson, New Hampshire?s quintessential Goofy Governor, once sought to arm the state?s National Guard with nuclear weapons. Some thought he wanted nukes to blast the Clamshell Alliance out of the way, so his pals at PSNH could build the Seabrook nuclear power plant. You might think that such a notoriously bellicose individual, twenty-one years old when the Reds crossed the line in Korea, might have managed to get into the fight - but you would be wrong.

 

[larryowen]

More whining by a bunch of democrats.

 

[kosar]

Lemme Guess-

Larryowen

Employed by: in between jobs
Conflicts Avoided: All of them
Military service: none

 

[Master Capper]

Lemme Guess-

Larryowen

Employed by: in between jobs
Conflicts Avoided: All of them
Military service: none



LMFAO!!! Sad thing is that you probably are correct

 

[hatolecoha]

Great Thread! Bump it up one time!

I think Americans have had about enough of these guys.

 

[hatolecoha]

By the way, I had forgotten about that turd merchant Elliot Abrams - could HE have been that very same anal cyst on Rush's bum?

 

[spibble spab]

Ronald reagan: ended cold war, but did not serve.

kosar:served but is now addicted to internet

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I assume you think it would not be hard to make list that looks just the opposite using Rebs that served vs dems that didn't.
I did find something of interest out it--

without knowing many I am familiar with this one---
"Bill Clint! on: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but received #311."
When I get time tonight I will show extreme distortion on this one.

Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53
Will be interesting to see why he served only 2 years--doubt if he was drafted--will report back tonight.

NOW to the issue of the matter--I find it ironic that those who never served start threads dissing those that never served.

I'll be happy to scan my discharge papers and let you compare medals against any of your listed Dem elite--might give nod to John Glenn.

and I must assume unless you say other wise we can put you in the did not serve catagory

 

[StevieD]

Getting personal are we now Dogs? Before you diss anyone for not serving, or fighting in an illeagal war that they did not believe in, don't forget that you will be dissing all your heroes in that list of Republicans and Personalities that did not serve. As far as Clinton goes, everyone knows he did not serve. He was smart enough to realize a dumb war when he saw one. The difference between him and the chickenhawks on the right is that he spoke out against the war he didn't think it was okay as long as someone else was fighting it.

 

[djv]

DTB many could serve just 2 years back in 50's. I only had to do 2 in 60/61. My mistake Maybe I should not call it that after all I liked the extra cash. Was joining reserves it cost me another 4.5 months in 63 but at least it was just to help with training.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I know djv--didn't do even 2 myself--got early out for voluntarily extending time time in VN. Just thought it odd in Kennedy's case as he comes from highly decorated family and thought he'd be in officers enlistment which is more than 2 years--my hunch paid off see below.

Stevie yep when it comes to military it does get personal.
"Before you diss anyone for not serving, or fighting in an illeagal war that they did not believe in, don't forget that you will be dissing all your heroes in that list of Republicans and Personalities that did not serve."

1st I don't cull by politics--I don't give Cheney pass and not others.
however I adamantly disagree with your "war they don't believe in"
Not many want to put their lives in jeopardy far from home.The word "draft" is what turns thmany into non believers--if you want to see comeback today of campus demonstrations (draft age)of
VN just say something about possible draft in this war.Its not about what they believe in- its about the fear it might be them.
Most really do not demonstrate and protest because of ideas against war--it only serves them to try and make excuses to themselves and others for their real objection-fear. When drafted it puts another another slant on it. In most cases the thought of shame by not going over rides the fear--in extreme cases of fear some choose other alternatives-like heading to the border.

Lets take a look at Clinton and Kenndy

1st Kennedy I knew I smelled a rat when I saw 2 years of service from someone whose family has such a distinguished miltary back round.I hesitate to put part of this up here but will do so since he is co-fav on my list of politicians I despise and his constant defamation of others--and if it wasn't true would amagine he would have sued by now for defamation of character.
http://www.nndb.com/people/623/000023554/

Ted Kennedy
AKA Edward Moore Kennedy

Born: 22-Feb-1932
Birthplace: Brookline, MA


Gender: Male
Religion: Roman Catholic
Ethnicity: White
Sexual orientation: Straight
Occupation: Politician

Nationality: United States
Executive summary: US Senator from Massachusetts

Military service: US Army (1951-53)

Edward "Ted" Kennedy is the only Senator in American history with two brothers who were also U.S. Senators. His oldest brother, Joseph Jr., was killed in World War II. His other brothers, President John F. Kennedy and Senator Robert F. Kennedy, were assassinated.

Kennedy earned C grades at the private Milton Academy, but was admitted to Harvard as a "legacy" -- his father and older brothers had attended there, so the younger and dimmer Kennedy's admission was virtually assured. While attending, he was expelled twice, once for cheating on a test, and once for paying a classmate to cheat for him.

While expelled, Kennedy enlisted in the Army, but mistakenly signed up for four years instead of two. His father, Joseph P. Kennedy, then U.S. Ambassador to England, pulled the necessary strings to have his enlistment shortened to two years, and to ensure that he served in Europe, not Korea, where a war was raging. Kennedy was assigned to Paris, never advanced beyond the rank of Private, and returned to Harvard upon being discharged.

Clinton What does drawing 311 in lottery have to do with anything it was after he did his dodging--ironically best I found was from ole 1st Cav Viet Nam mate.Tooooooo long to cut and paste--heres link.
Note: if you think liberals pissed off those who fought in VN era off--wait till these men get back from Iraq.

Clinton time line--draft avoidance--however not so much against him avoiding as his protesting
http://www.1stcavmedic.com/bill-clinton-draft.htm

 

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well done,, DTB

 

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Wouldn't say well done Squib--could make same case for both sides on these issues. Just trying to balance scales on intial post which was equally one sided.

 

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Comparing Kennedy to Cheney balances the scales? Old Ted at least served whereas the punk Cheney ran like a coward.

 

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yeah your right. It isnt fair to compare cheney to kennedy.

kennedy fled the scene of crime, drowning his passenger on Chappaquiddick Island Kennedy steered the car off the bridge and into Poucha Pond. :drinky:
He swam back to the shoreand walked back to the party -- passing several houses and a fire station -- and two friends returned with him to the scene of the accident. According to their later testimony, they told him what he already knew, that he was required by law to immediately report the accident to the authorities. Instead Kennedy made his way to his hotel, called his lawyer, and went to sleep. :bed: :drinky: :bed:
Kennedy called the police the next morning. By then the wreck had already been discovered. Before dying, Kopechne had scratched at the upholstered floor above her head in the upside-down car. The Kennedy family began pulling strings, ensuring that any inquiry would be contained. Her corpse was whisked out-of-state to her family, before an autopsy could be conducted.



As far as his "military history" he did not get past the rank of private after accidentally signing on for four years instead of two His father pulled some strings and brought his years of enlistment down to two and he served in EUROPE, NOT KOREA, where the was was going on. as far as attending harvard (due to legacy) he was expelled twice, once for cheating on a test, and once for paying a classmate to cheat for him.

Yeah your right after all. we shouldnt compare Cheney to Kennedy.