More Bush flip-flopping-bottomless pit

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Bush, in Shift, Taps Into Emergency Iraq Funds
By Adam Entous

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Pentagon has begun tapping its $25 billion emergency fund for the Iraq war to prepare for a major troop rotation and intense fighting this fall, administration officials said on Tuesday, despite the White House's initial insistence that it had enough money.

The Pentagon has already used more than $2 billion from what was dubbed its "contingency reserve" fund.

The money is being used to ramp up production of armored Humvees to support the troop rotation, as well as to buy body armor and bolster fuel supplies, the officials told Reuters.

The decision to use the $25 billion in Iraq reserves underscores growing concern within the administration about the rise in anti-American violence in Iraq.


White House officials had initially insisted the Pentagon had "very ample resources" and would not need additional funding until well after the November presidential election.


The decision also follows last week's announcement that President Bush planned to divert nearly $3.5 billion from Iraqi water, power and other reconstruction projects in a bid to improve security.


"As we've always said, our troops in the field will have what they need, when they need it," said Chad Kolton, spokesman for the White House Office of Management and Budget.


"In this case, making some of those resources available now ensures that our troops will have the equipment they need going into the fall (rotation)," Kolton added.


Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry accused Bush this week of hiding plans to call up more members of the part-time National Guard and Reserve after the election.


The Bush campaign called Kerry's assertion "false and ridiculous," and administration officials said the Pentagon decided to tap into the reserve fund because resources were running low with the fiscal year near its Sept. 30 end.


ENOUGH FUNDING?


Congressional aides and defense analysts said the use of the reserve funds could be an early sign that the Pentagon will run out of money sooner than the White House had expected.


Even before the recent flare-up in the insurgency, U.S. military operations in Iraq cost about $4.4 billion per month, the Pentagon said.


The United States has spent $120 billion so far in Iraq, not including the $25 billion contingency fund. Officials said the White House could seek another $50 billion early in 2005.


But congressional aides and analysts say the size of that package would grow substantially if fighting intensifies, as expected, before Iraqi elections scheduled for January. "I think it's apparent we're going to need the upper end of the estimates rather than the lower end," said John Pike, a defense analyst with GlobalSecurity.org.


Critics accused Bush of hiding the war's true cost.


Sen. Kent Conrad of North Dakota, the top Democrat on the Senate Budget Committee, said tapping into emergency reserves was "another example of this administration saying one thing and doing another."


Before the war, then-White House budget director Mitch Daniels predicted Iraq would be "an affordable endeavor," and Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz even assured Congress: "We are dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction and relatively soon."


Until early May, Bush had refused to acknowledge that any additional money would be needed for Iraq until after the November presidential election.


But as costs rose and pressure mounted from military leaders for additional resources, Bush asked for the $25 billion. Still, the White House described the money as a "contingency reserve" and an "insurance policy," and said it might never be tapped.


"This administration is riddled with flip-flops," Conrad said, echoing a charge Bush uses against Kerry. (Additional reporting by Anna Willard)
 

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Bush want's money to pay for body armor and supplies? You have a problem with this? You're a sicko. Now you're starting to sound like John Kerry.

FROM YOUR ARTICLE:

"The money is being used to ramp up production of armored Humvees to support the troop rotation, as well as to buy body armor and bolster fuel supplies, the officials told Reuters."


Lets see here..........Bush tapping into funds to protect our troops from getting shot? Sounds good to me. Look at what Kerry did...he voted FOR the Iraq invasion then voted against Extra money to supply our troops.

Kerry's flip-flopping is reckless.....Bush wants our boys to have more body armor.

Hmmmmm....wonder who I'll be voting for lol

Kosar aren't you smart enough to develop your own opinions insteading finding the most liberal article you can and cut and paste it?
 
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Also Kosar...since you say Bush's flip-flopping is a bottomless pit, will you please tell us of some of the numerous other things Bush has flip-flopped on?
 

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Sure, it's great that we are getting the troops what they need. Shouldn't they have already had it before we rushed into war? Or shouldn't the cost of this have been truthfully stated when he was making his case for the occupation?

That's not a liberal article at all. It's simply stating what this war is costing, and what we were told it would cost. Those are facts, not anyones opinion.
 

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CHARLESMANSON said:
Also Kosar...since you say Bush's flip-flopping is a bottomless pit, will you please tell us of some of the numerous other things Bush has flip-flopped on?

I meant that the war was a bottomless pit. And although it pains me to say, hellah10 had a nice list of bush's flip-flops in one of these threads today. I'll find it for you.
 

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Here ya go, Charlie.




"IF anybody is a damn flip-flopper...its Bush

Bush is against campaign finance reform; then he's for it.
Bush is against a Homeland Security Department; then he's for it.

Bush is against a 9/11 commission; then he's for it.

Bush is against an Iraq WMD investigation; then he's for it.

Bush is against nation building; then he's for it.

Bush is against deficits; then he's for them.

Bush is for free trade; then he's for tariffs on steel; then he's against them again.

Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli Palestinian conflict; then he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.

Bush is for states right to decide on gay marriage, then he is for changing the constitution.

Bush first says he'll provide money for first responders (fire, police, emergency), then he doesn't.

Bush first says that 'help is on the way' to the military ... then he cuts benefits

Bush-"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. Bush-"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care.

Bush claims to be in favor of the environment and then secretly starts drilling on Padre Island.

Bush talks about helping education and increases mandates while cutting funding.

Bush first says the U.S. won't negotiate with North Korea. Now he will

Bush goes to Bob Jones University. Then say's he shouldn't have.

Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote on whether to sanction military action against Iraq. Later Bush announced he would not call for a vote

Bush said the "mission accomplished" banner was put up by the sailors.? Bush later admits it was his advance team.

Bush was for fingerprinting and photographing Mexicans who enter the US. Bush after meeting with Pres. Fox, he's against it.

Bush said "I love our troops" But now I'll be going on my 2nd tour to Iraq making a lot less then I did on my 1st tour? "
 

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MOST OF IT IS ACCURATE????

LMAO so you are posting stuff that you know nothing about and cannot back up???!!!!!!!!!!!!! PRICELESS!!!!!!


:142lmao: :142lmao: :142lmao:
 

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Marylynn, Which ones would you like to debate?

My favorite one is Osama wanted dead or alive,
To: Osama is not that important I don't think about him that much.
 

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KOSAR I CANT BELIEVE YOU ARE DEBATING WITH THIS CLOWN. THE GUY DIDNT EVEN KNOW 'LEARNT ' WAS A WORD.

ALL HE DOES IS PUT DOWN DEMOCRATS. THEN WHEN YOU QUESTION HIM ABOUT IT HE SAYS NO HE DOESNT. NOW THATS A FLIP FLOPPER.

I DONT KNOW WHY THEY KEEP YOU HERE MANSON. I GUESS SOMEBODY HAS TO MAKE THE MAJORITY LOOK SMART.

ILL LEAVE IT AT THAT SO I DONT GET BANNED FOR EXPRESSING HONEST FACTUAL POINTS ABOUT YOU.
 

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Like I said before it sucks to have to pick one of these to to run our country, i agree with Matt it is a endless pit this war, did i agree for it yes because i felt iraq and other middle east countries are and will always be a threat, did i vote for bush yes, will i vote for him again yes because IMO Kerry will have us in even more of a mess then we are in already, it has cost a ton, i am all for #security of our homeland over anything else and health care and education and job increases for all who want to work and be paid a fair price not freaking 5 what ever a hour no way anyone can live on that. but the problem is neither one of these guys are going to get us there so who is? will have to wait 4 more years either way.

I want to know why a normal person middle upper middle class does not run for office, guess you have to be rich to be in the game, but till that happens i will say what i have been for many years i really don't have much trust in any feds, and another question i will agree The war or what i thought was going to happen did not and is going to go on longer then i want or thought or maybe not the length but the outcome i hate to say it sucks, what can be done, i say pull out why we can if we can and let them fix shit or other countries fix the problem, hell we can't be hated anymore and even before were not liked by most of the world anyway so who cares, but is there a solution right now that anyone can come up with that would work, hell i pay taxes i want those over paid idiots on the hill all of them not just 1 party both have major fuk ups tell me and show me because i am stupid when it comes to war never severed what the hell we can do? Kerry will not help it if so please tell me and bush won't in 4 more years but as bad as it is i have to stick with my vote in hopes at least he can protect me and my family in my own country, who can fix this mess or what can fix it, I don't want to hear what went wrong but some of you smarter people in the world of politics help me out some, i really want to understand what can we do now, not the past i am all ears because i think or i know something needs to be done but how does it get done, i am naive on this part very much so, no bs i am really asking for people to explain this whole mess to me not the news people, hell least on here i might be able to get a grasp on the whole pile of shit that is costing me and most money and i want to know where and how it is ended ? thanks
 

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EXTREMELY WELL PUT ERIC. I BELIEVE IN THE US AND IN CANADA WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO NOMINATE SOMEBODY AND IF WE GET ENOUGH SIGNATURES THAT ELECTION MONEY WILL BE PARTIALLY FUNDED BY THE GOV'T-TAXPAYERS.

ITS DEFINATELY TIME FOR A CHANGE IN THE PROCESS.

AGAIN DAMN WELL PUT.
 

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there was a article in the new york times today about 1 significant Bush Flip Flop. while in the 2000 presidental election he said he would never use our troops to help stabalize a country in rebuilding itself. how ironic is that.
 

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FLETCHER, I APPLAUD YOUR SINCERITY (seriously) damn, your posts are long, hehe.
you're right, politics is not as simple as any of the planks on any
platform of any politician (oxymoron counter on) it's not just
money that will get you into office. as you probably already know.
you have to meet some other prerequisites as well. citizenship,
holding other offices, etc. Feds are people too, so are cops, so is the guy that spits in your salsa at El Pollo Loco. so is the judge that reverses a conviction that has a dildo below his bench. you get the idea. Im a registered Republican who despises any Bush lover who loves EVERYTHING about Bush. His domestic platform leaves alot to be desired, i know that. if you say your a millionaire, than you should vote for bush. Lets say you made "the amazing orgazmo"
that climaxes any user in five seconds and you make millions off of it. Those are youre millions right? you invested in the duracell, you invested in the technology, you took the risk. Kerry wants more of your money. what mess are you referring to? hehe
The war in Iraq: were there for the long haul, kids. as we should be!
Thank god George Washington knew that rationale.
other wise MADJACK SPORTS would be moderated by her majesty.
instead of , well, MADJACK.
God bless the home of the brave,
god help the home of the free

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Matt:

Those of us who actually use our brains on this board have, I believe, fallen into the right's trap of always being on the defensive. They accuse Kerry of flip/flop, under the radar attacks on Kerry's war record, voting against military spending, voting for raising tax's etc.

As we all know, the best defense is an offense. Bush flip/flops, avoids Nam, votes against military spending and has turned a surplus into a 500 billion dollar deficit. I think we all need to stop playing into there hands and point out how much of a criminal Bush and Cheney are.

Bush and Cheney should not only lose this election, but they should be indicted.

Eddie
 

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AS USUAL EDDIE HITS THE NAIL.

I LOVE THE US. I JUST CANT STAND IGNORANT REPUBLICANS/DEMOCRATS WHO CANT SEE THE SUN THROUGH THEIR SHORTS.

WELL PUT EDDIE ONCE AGAIN
 
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