more should ask the hard questions of the ones that represent us.

[shamrock]

Romney is a decent guy, I sat directly next to him at a Celtics game once, even had a beer. Voted for him also, a Republican, just so you know...dtb & Charlie.

Still I find it interesting, those most strongly behind the war generally have no family involved, especially politicians. Decades ago the leaders (ie generals, Admirals) became politicians.

http://news.bostonherald.com/localPolitics/view.bg?articleid=99837

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I think anyone with the abilty to keep children out (a draft) if will do so unless their children wish to serve--been a while since we had a draft.

I would say the group with highest # of those that support this war would come from miltary and ex military--those that are doing and have done the fightening--

The group most adamantly opposing would be your typical protesting/orgs--that look for anything tp protest about and would never serve regardless of reason.

Look @ Sheehan and groups supporting her and media that hypes what they want and omits the rest.

example I haven't seen any liberal media play Sheehans speech supporting lawyer Lynne Stewart , convicted of aiding terrorists,where she uses 4 letters words--supports Palistine bombers and calls terrorist freedom fighters.Why is it these media outlets don't want anyone to know what this lady (useing term lightly) is about??

 

[StevieD]

Once again Dogs attacks the messenger instead of the message. Of course the military will be most in favor of the war. They have to be. It is part of their training. You complain because this thing you call the "Liberal Media" gives Sheehan too much coverage. You also complain because they don't give her enough coverage by not playing something she said. Which way do you want it?

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

"Which way do you want it?"

---fair and balanced

Odd that those that have to do the fighting..complain the least about their perils--

I'll support my Vets Stevie--and you latch on to Sheehan's tit--OK

"Show me who you walk with and I'll tell you who you are"

 

[AR182]

shamrock quote:"Still I find it interesting, those most strongly behind the war generally have no family involved, especially politicians. Decades ago the leaders (ie generals, Admirals) became politicians."

shamrock, my friend....

are you saying that only people who have family in the military should run this country & send troops to war ?

we had a general run for office this past election & he showed that he was a weak candidate.

one thing should have nothing to do with the other. our leaders must make these hard decisions based on what is good for this country. until proven otherwise (not speculation) we have to think that bush is making decisions based on that.

if we pull troops out of iraq before we should......i guarantee you that in years to come we will have to send troops back in there...because terrorists thrive on countries that have weak central gov'ts. and iraq certainly will have that if we leave early.

 

[StevieD]

Dogs why do you support a President who has cut benefits for vetrans and has sent our troops into harms way without the proper equipmen? Pretty strange way to support them. I suppose you support the lies that sent them there too? And what about that lying sack of crap Rumsfeld who said he couldn't see this war lasting more than 6 months. He said that 2 and a half years ago. Do you still support that horses ass?

 

[shamrock]

AR-I was trying to state exactly the opposite, I probably didn't word that correctly. I guess I'm trying to say I'm shocked so few politicians that strongly felt the need to go to war 1) have never served themselves and/or 2) have no children serving currently or ever for that matter. Of over 500 politician s in the House & Senate I believe like 2 have children serving.

That seems ridiculous to me, if you feel that strongly about something, you would figure to have family serving.

Hell even in the days of King and peasants, the King got his ass on a horse and led.

Say what you want about the Kennedy s, but they at least served the country.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I'll say John kennedy made one of the boldest military moves in Bay of Pigs--couldn't think of many pres I would trust more as commander and chief in time of need--and couldn't think af many I would trust less than Teddy.

Interesting story in itself how JFK (John Kerry) tried to emulate his hero JFK (Kenndey)--all he lacked was courage and character.

"Dogs why do you support a President who has cut benefits for vetrans and has sent our troops into harms way without the proper equipmen?"

Stevie not sure which veteren benefits they cut--so will have to abstain on that part--on the harms way--what is responsibilty of pres as commander and chief--and pray tell what do you think the military's prime purpose is????

equipment--do you really think anyone would not supply troops with equipment that was available--I remember the jamming of
m-16's when 1st introduced in Viet Nam--took a while but was corrected--also there is lot of equipment for safety voluntarily not used by troops.Can't speak for Iraq as it is diff war but many troops in nam discarded steel pot and flak jacket after 1st trip to the bush. When you walk through thick brush in heat----ruck sack-a week of water and food--ammo-radio batteries ect get to be quite heavy and cumberson--and when you lighten the the load the pot and flak jacket were the 1st to go--of course you had to been there to understand--strolling on street with picket sign wasn't fair comparison

 

[THE KOD]

. When you walk through thick brush in heat----ruck sack-a week of water and food--ammo-radio batteries ect get to be quite heavy and cumberson--and when you lighten the the load the pot and flak jacket were the 1st to go--of course you had to been there to understand--strolling on street with picket sign wasn't fair comparison

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dogs

that was a good one.

 

[StevieD]

--on the harms way--what is responsibilty of pres as commander and chief--and pray tell what do you think the military's prime purpose is????

Prime purpose to defend the United States. Not build a nation. Would be my guess.
Your turn, show me again where Iraq was a threat.

 

[djv]

It is strange how Iraq moved up the ladder as a threat so fast. After 9/11 Bush asked and received form his state dept and CIA a list of hot spots for terrorist and most pressing threats. Never new of this till Gen Clark brought it up the other day. The leaders were places like Afhgan, Korea, Libya, Saudi, Iran to mention a few. Iraq was 14th. Even the home land USA was 10th. So were at war with Iraq. And it's now the new recruiting site for those who hate us. I wonder if that black gold did get in the way of there thinking. Thats a big jump from 14teen to 2nd. When the info was so bad.

 

[Palehose]

Too bad Hitler wasent moved up on that threat list after 12 years of breaking treaty's and nobody having the balls to do a dam thing about it ....I guess losing 60 million people wasent so bad the liberal appeasment crowd did get 12 years of peace before all hell broke lose ....I guess some might believe 12 years of peace was worth 60 million dead ....just not I .

 

[kosar]

Ahhhh yes...the always useful Saddam/Hitler comparison.

 

[LUX]

Hey Kosar, you grumpy bastid, hope you had a good b-day!

Palehose, tell me what these people have done to help make their liberation a success? Nothing. They know better than anyone what Saddam did and yet we are doing everything for them. You would think any normal person would jump at the opportunity to be free and not have to deal with a Saddam. They know who the insurgents are too, but do nothing to get rid of them either. This shit is just getting stupid. Like others have said, train their army, and let them figure it out. Fvck em, if they want a civil wa,r then so be it, but it's time for us to get out of there.

 

[Palehose]

Again we need to try or we are going to have to kill 1.8 billion Muslims and myself I would like to try to avoid that . If they can embrace Democracy and create a middle class ....you suddenly wont have so many people that are willing to strap bombs to themselves . The war in Iraq has nothing to do with anything that has been advertised or at least very little anyways ....the big picture is get these people to change or WW3 is comming and based on history I have volumes to back that up .

 

[kosar]

People don't blow themselves up because there is no middle class or because that's their only option, or whatever it is you're trying to say. You, and others, just don't get it. Religious fanaticism cannot be overcome with democracy and by creating a 'middle class.'

Thanks Lux.

 

[Palehose]

People don't blow themselves up because there is no middle class or because that's their only option, or whatever it is you're trying to say. You, and others, just don't get it. Religious fanaticism cannot be overcome with democracy and by creating a 'middle class.'

Thanks Lux.

I don't expect you to understand why a middle class in these countries will help eliminate terrorism Kosar . I dont expect you to understand why religion will become much less important like it has in every single country since the begining of mankind when people are better off and arent so desparate ...your like 1 huge dimpled chad

 

[Palehose]

Hey Kosar, you grumpy bastid, hope you had a good b-day!

Palehose, tell me what these people have done to help make their liberation a success? Nothing. They know better than anyone what Saddam did and yet we are doing everything for them. You would think any normal person would jump at the opportunity to be free and not have to deal with a Saddam. They know who the insurgents are too, but do nothing to get rid of them either. This shit is just getting stupid. Like others have said, train their army, and let them figure it out. Fvck em, if they want a civil wa,r then so be it, but it's time for us to get out of there.

I just noticed something Lux ..... the answer to your question lies in your signature :yup

 

[Palehose]

Also Lux some food for thought for you ....... If they arent doing anything then why are so many getting killed waiting in line to become Iraqi police ....their has been 0 shortages of men willing to lay their lives on the line to help their new country and just because the media wont point that out to you dosent mean you shouldnt notice it .

 

[LUX]

Religious fanaticism cannot be overcome with democracy and by creating a 'middle class.'

Kosar says it best Palehose...We did try, but these people are beyond help IMO.