MR PRESDIENT I THINK WE LOSING THE WAR NOW

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"Taliban Are Winning: U.S. Commander in Afghanistan Warns of Rising Casualties." Thus ran the startling headline on the front-page of The Wall Street Journal. The lead paragraph ran thus:

"The Taliban have gained the upper hand in Afghanistan, the top American commander there said, forcing the U.S. to change its strategy in the eight-year-old conflict by increasing the number of troops in heavily populated areas like the volatile southern city of Kandahar, the insurgency's spiritual home."

Source for the story: Gen. Stanley McChrystal himself.

The general's spokesman in Kabul was swift to separate him from that headline and lead. They "go too far," he said: The general does not believe the Taliban are winning or "gaining the upper hand."

Nevertheless, in the eighth year of America's war, the newly arrived field commander concedes that U.S. casualties, now at record levels, will continue to be high or go higher, and that our primary mission is no longer to run down and kill Taliban but to defend the Afghan population.

What went wrong?

Though U.S. force levels are higher than ever, the U.S. military situation is worse than ever. Though President Karzai is expected to win re-election, he is regarded as the ineffectual head of a corrupt regime. Though we have trained an Afghan army and police force of 220,000, twice that number are now needed. The Taliban are operating not only in the east, but in the north and west, and are taking control of the capital of the south, Kandahar.

NATO's response to Obama's request for more troops has been pathetic.

Europeans want to draw down the troops already sent. And Western opinion has soured on the war.

A poll commissioned by The Independent found 52 percent of Britons wanting to pull out and 58 percent believing the war is "unwinnable."

U.S. polls, too, have turned upside down.

A CBS-New York Times survey in late July found 33 percent saying the war was going well and 57 percent saying it was going badly or very badly. In a CNN poll in early August, Americans, by 54 percent to 41 percent, said they oppose the Afghan war that almost all Americans favored after 9-11 and Obama said in 2008 was the right war for America to fight.

The president is now approaching a decision that may prove as fateful for him and his country as was the one made by Lyndon Johnson to send the Marines ashore at Da Nang in December 1965.

Obama confronts a two-part question:

If, after eight years of fighting, the Taliban is stronger, more capable and closer to victory than it has ever been, what will it cost in additional U.S. troops, casualties, years and billions to turn this around? And what is so vital to us in that wilderness land worth another eight years of fighting, bleeding and dying, other than averting the humiliation of another American defeat?

From Secretary Gates to Gen. Petraeus, U.S. military and political leaders have been unanimous that the Afghan war does not lend itself to a military victory. Unfortunately, the Taliban does seem to believe in a military victory and triumphal return to power, and imposing upon the United States the same kind of defeat their fathers imposed upon the Soviet Union.

Whatever we may say of them, Taliban fighters have shown a greater willingness to die for a country free of us Americans than our Afghan allies have shown to die for the future we Americans envision for them.

In days, McChrystal is to provide the president with an assessment of what will be required for America to prevail.

Almost surely, the general's answer will be that success will require thousands more U.S. troops, billions more dollars, many more years of casualties. And if Obama yet believes this is a war of necessity we cannot lose, and he must soldier on, his decision will sunder his party and country, and put at risk his presidency.

If he refuses to deepen the U.S. commitment, it is hard to see how the United States can avoid what is at best a bloody stalemate.

But if he chooses to cut America's losses and get out, Obama risks a strategic debacle that will have our enemies rejoicing and open him up to the charge that he, the first African-American president, lost the war that America began as retribution for 9-11 and fought to prevent a second 9-11.

Had we gone into Afghanistan in 2001, knocked over the Taliban, driven out al-Qaida and departed, we would not be facing what we do today.

But we were seduced by the prospect of converting a backward tribal nation of 25 million, which has resisted every empire to set foot on its inhospitable soil, into a shining new democracy that would be a model for the Islamic world.

Now, whatever Obama decides, we shall pay a hellish price for the hubris of the nation-builders.
 

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Interesting - if anyone that didn't support the Bush presidency had said that about Iraq, and many of us did, we were blasted as being weak and unpatriotic. I guess it just depends on who is saying it, right?

There is one line in that story that really says it all, in my opinion. I was thinking it as I was reading through the story, and then it appeared towards the bottom:

Had we gone into Afghanistan in 2001, knocked over the Taliban, driven out al-Qaida and departed, we would not be facing what we do today.

And that IS the important point here. One other thing... I see the source here is The Wall Street Journal. My, how Rupert Murdoch has that paper preaching his doctrines these days. Used to be most of the important stuff coming from that paper dealt with economic issues, and was pretty even in it's reporting. Times, and messages have changed, with the new regime in charge of content there, haven't they?
 
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Interesting - if anyone that didn't support the Bush presidency had said that about Iraq, and many of us did, we were blasted as being weak and unpatriotic. I guess it just depends on who is saying it, right?

There is one line in that story that really says it all, in my opinion. I was thinking it as I was reading through the story, and then it appeared towards the bottom:

Had we gone into Afghanistan in 2001, knocked over the Taliban, driven out al-Qaida and departed, we would not be facing what we do today.

And that IS the important point here. One other thing... I see the source here is The Wall Street Journal. My, how Rupert Murdoch has that paper preaching his doctrines these days. Used to be most of the important stuff coming from that paper dealt with economic issues, and was pretty even in it's reporting. Times, and messages have changed, with the new regime in charge of content there, haven't they?

Good rebuttal ... what we have here is a failure to communicate.. we have a poster that does nothing but spam the forum... now we know that the story is an opinion of a guy that is controlled by a right wing news control freak, Rupert Murdoch.
Good job Chadman !
 

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Good rebuttal ... now we know that the story is an opinion of a guy that is controlled by a right wing news control freak, Rupert Murdoch.
Rupert Murdoch -- Neoconservative, War Monger, Oil Imperialist, Defender of Repressive Regimes, Apologist for Dictatorships, Propagandist for Dictators, Enabler of Human Rights Violaters, Union Buster, Corporate Tax Evader, Abuser of Tax Loopholes and Offshore Tax Havens, but otherwise... a swell guy.
 

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the President and his team of advisers could learn a lot from the former Soviet Union after their disastrous military escapades in Afghanistan. After more than 9 years of occupation, they were forced to retreat in defeat, having been beaten by a rag tag group of armed civilians who would not tolerate being occupied by a foreign power. The Soviet military first entered Afghanistan at the request of the Afghan government to help provide security for the people of Afghanistan and assist in quelling the rebellion. Sounds eerily familiar does it not?

The Soviet Union would go on to establish a friendly government in Afghanistan and bring in more forces to provide security. At their peak, the Soviet military presence in Afghanistan averaged over 100,000 personnel. The resistance came from the local populace, tribal factions run by warlords. They were opposed to the presence of the godless communists in their country and would fight them with ambushes, landmines, and terrorist attacks. During the height of

the resistance, as many as 600 terror attacks were documented over the course of a year. Other countries opposed to the Soviet occupation provided aid to the rebels in the form of weapons and cash. The United States was among the nations providing assistance as we felt the Russian presence in the Middle East was against our national interests in the region. Out of this conflict, Al Qaeda was born. Saudi born Osama bin Laden brought his money and influence to Afghanistan to fight against the occupying infidels. And the US of A helped him. We provided Stinger shoulder fired anti-aircraft weapons, which took a heavy toll against the Russian helicopters.

As the war in Afghanistan dragged on, support at home in Russia waned. A new leader took power and sought to bring an end to the Soviet presence there. They tried to have their military take a more passive role, and hand over defense of the country to the Afghan forces. Sounds familiar again does it not? The rebel forces continued their attacks until at last the Soviets began to withdraw their forces. Over 14,000 Soviet soldiers lost their lives, with more than 400,000 becoming ill with hepatitis and typhoid fever.

http://hubpages.com/hub/What-we-can-learn-from-the-Russians-about-Afghanistan
 

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Afgan is and will be tough place to wage war. As noted before I think best thing this admin has done so far is negotiating with Pakistan on aiding in fight.

Most interesting thing--is we now have more troops committed to war than any time in GW's reign-

What happened to all the war protestors and media coverage of them:shrug:
 

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One of the reasons you don't see the protests and media coverage of them, is that the vast majority of protests were dealing with the Iraq war, not going after the Taliban and Al Qaida, which were in Pakistan and Afganistan. But I think you know that, just trying to sneak a point in.

There is - and always has been - a big difference between fighting the people that attacked us, which most people have always been for, and the war in Iraq.

People don't usually protest things they don't find fault with, and there's not usually coverage of things that aren't happening... :shrug:
 
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