My take on Edward's speech

[dawgball]

I don't know what it is, but I thought Edward's speech last night solidified why I could never vote Democrat again. I actually thought Edwards would help convince me against voting for Bush, but he actually did the opposite. The entire time I was listening to his speech, I felt sorry for anyone who would listen to what he is saying and take it as reality.

My wife, who is much kinder hearted than myself and not politically motivated in the slightest bit, looked up from feeding our baby and said "these people really prey on the ignorance of the poor, don't they?" Now not knowing my wfie, I don't expect any of you to know how profound a statement that was coming from her, but I can tell you that it is profound.

I also felt like the things that he said last night could only be accepted as truth by uneducated people. Not to any fault of their own, but how can what he was saying inspire you to back that leadership.

Now on the flip side of this, you have our current President. Obviously, he is not the sharpest tool in the shed, and he has made his mistakes. But, at least I feel most/some of the items that he is trying to accomplish are in line with my family's needs as well as the overall better of the country. Also, I feel that the items that he is trying to accomplish are real issues and not just things that sound good on paper to rally the troops.

I think this election is going to be very tight. I think that Bush is going to win the election. If he doesn't win it, then we will just steal it :moon: , but if Kerry is in office I think this country will be in worse shape at the end of his term than it was at the beginning on REAL issues.

Just my take. Besides the long winded rant here, my take last night from Edwards' speech was that it was very poor. The crowd sure was fired up, though. The poor and oppressed Sarah Jessica Parker and Matthew Broderick were certainly behind helping the poor and suffering.

Also NBCs coverage was pretty bad. Did anyone see them cut off Sen. Zell Miller mid-sentence because he was calling Edwards to task. They immediately cut to Tennessee's senator who was singing the praises. That was very Left-wing media at its best. Say what we want you to say, or the interview is over. Not saying it doesn't happen both ways, but why even slate to have Miller on because you know where he stands.

 

[StevieD]

It was not one of his better speeches.

 

[shamrock]

just curious as I don't know you at all dog, but what exactly has Bush done so correctly last 3 years. And I voted for him by the way. Many conservatives see bigger government and much bigger deficit.

 

[dr. freeze]

Bush has cut taxes which stimulated the economy from its recession

Bush has brought the fight to Al Quaeda


Bad things Bush has/hasn't done...which would be done worse with Democrats:
1. Spend
2. Border patrol
3. Health care

 

[shamrock]

freeze, Bush cut taxes for top 1% , what kind of Dr. Are you? My bother & his wife are both Harvard educated doctors & have yet to attain that position, although quiet young. Seems to me doctors aren't doing all that well, I know several that have actually changed fields, much easier to sell Pharmaceuticals

 

[dr. freeze]

uhhhh no...i got my taxes cut

and i dont vote for what i get out of the deal...i vote for what is right....

i never expect to get rich, but i sure as heck dont expect the richest to bear my burden....the top 1% pays 27% of the taxes....they deserve a break....

keep the American dream alive

 

[StevieD]

Bush has run an economy that can barely keep it's head above water dispite running two wars which should be good for jobs. He cut the taxes for the top 2 percent who need it the least. The trickle down theory has never worked. Bush fails to understand, like the good Dr., that in order to turn the economy around we must put money in the pocket of the middle class, who in turn will spend it.
Also Dr. How is he taking the fight to al-Qaeda when the 9/11 comminsion was not able to make an Iraq and al-Qaeda position?

 

[dawgball]

shamrock--as stated I'm not trying to sell Bush, but basically Edwards had a semi-open ear last night in me and completely sold me on not voting for the party. I was more than leaning towards Bush anyway, but the speech last night was pathetic. Not his mannerism or his method of the speech, but the message was so far off kilter it was pathetic. Bush has done a lot wrong, but after hearing the vice-Presidential candidate speak last night, there is no doubt that his ticket would do worse. It's going to be a sad election when those are the choices that America is given.

I looked for the text of the speech, so I could quote him here, but I didn't feel like spending too much time on it. He said two things that stood out to me as positive things that I feel we could help fix. The rest of the speech was pretty much garbage, though. It's not that I disagreed with that he was saying, I feel that what he was saying was not feasible. Just like when Gore would talk about alternative fuels. Well, as soon as we get a grip on our special interest groups that are keeping that from being a viable alternative, don't try to sell me on it. Only the ignorant of the situation would follow such a line of thinking because it is an absolute waste of time. That is where I think the Dems try to obtain votes.

Once again, just my take. I don't think that everyone who votes Dem is ignorant, but I do feel that the party as a whole does prey on the uneducated for swing votes. And I am also not saying that all Rep voting people are intelligent. We, obviously, have our less than Ivy leaguers in our midst.

Carry on. This was just one man's opinion on last night.

By the way, I am very far down the economic ladder and my taxes were cut this year.

 

[auspice]

StevieD


Answer me a question: if you know someone is planning to come into your house (USA) and commit an atrocity, do you a) leave the door and windows unlocked and your wife and kids at home alone while you go looking for the terrorist threat (who is located all over the world) or b)lock the door and windows and leave it guarded as you ALSO go where you know there's a terrorist presence (afghanistan) and try to cripple them? If you're GWB, the answer is a. How can people support this nonsense? Seriously??

 

[dr. freeze]

hey have the Dems ever done anything to the borders except pander to the Mexicans like Bush is doing?

absolutely not...so any criticism from a liberal must start with his own party....

From what I understand, we are fighting Al Queada right now in Iraq and in Afghanistan....aka the Middle East where this and other terrorist groups are multiple

i consider that taking the fight to them

StevieD thinks that he is entitled to plunder someone's paycheck...thats fine.....he is a victim like his other democratic choirboys...what a way to live life

 

[dr. freeze]

StevieD....since you know exactly what a rich guy does with his money...please enlighten us

does he bury it and put it in a hole? is that how he got rich?

 

[auspice]

O.K. freeze. We got you down for answer a also.

 

[dr. freeze]

and by the way...part of the reason i want taxes low on the wealthy is because one day I aspire to be that way....

i want to earn lots of $$ and give it away so that my family, charities, and churches can benefit.....i want to be free from plunder by the government who i see as wasting $$ whether the administration and Congress be controlled by either party

I want to be able to CHOOSE where that $$ goes....and I want to be able to live my life with the DREAM intact that if I do acheive success, by which the journey will be through performing services for others, who also benefit through my work.....

I want the FREEDOM to spend as I please.....and will make sure that where my money goes, it will be well spent....with better returns on it than any government agency could get one thousand times over

I want to live the American dream.....John Kerry, John Scheister Edwards, and the democratic party want to take that dream away

They want to feed me mediocrity...they want me to view my debt which I am currently incurring...as a result of oppression...they want me to play the part of a victim....they want me to rely on them...they want to cradle me to the grave...from the womb to the tomb.....I as a hardworking American cannot tolerate that attitude....I want to stand on my own two feet and raise a family and spend my money as I see fit....I want the government out of my personal and financial life...

 

[shamrock]

dawg- thank you for your answer and, obviously you certainly deserve your opinions as we all do. I do find it interesting you didn't refer to one example as to what Bush has done correctly. I do concur with what some of what you say, indeed they are selling hope to some, but that seems better than nothing which is what Bush offers these people. I mean seriously where do you think gw would be without his parents money? Certainly not where he is today. Who would you say deserves your respect Edwards or Bush? Who genuinely worked for where they stand.

Hey, I voted for both Reagan & 41, I don't believe gw holds a candle to either. I voted for gw also, I think he is a caring decent guy, but as you answered also, I can't point to anything positively that he has done. And if you want to hear a shaky speech giver, hold on until September 2, hopefully we won't hear more about the axis of evil and the purchasing of uranium through Africa by Saddam. People don't really have to be scared, I'll take hope over fear.

Didn't know you had a child, best of luck, congratulations! And see you during football.

 

[dr. freeze]

O.K. freeze. We got you down for answer a also.

obviously you are too senile to realize that I am unhappy with how Bush has handled our borders

obviously you think that all conservatives fall lock in step with their party....well you are dead wrong and that just because you do, andyou are unable to form your own opinion apart from shallow minded one liners, consider that I have said and am stating that Bush's foreign policy is better than the alternative

the alternative is a pandering to CHina, Korea, renting out the lincoln bedroom....cutting and running from terror.....inspiring fear into the hearts of Americans....a fear without courage....

that is the democratic foreign policy....you should be used to it by now

 

[shamrock]

freeze, your obviously a educated guy, how many wars have we won going it on our own. Allies aren't such a bad thing. Far as I can see we alienated everyone except Great Britain. Please don't tell me about the Polish bus driver or the Filipino machine gunner. We basically stand alone.

 

[dr. freeze]

lol...not many other options if other governments are too corrupt to join us...what do you propose to do?

fighting al quaeda is a just cause....dont you think?

 

[AR182]

last night edwards tried to talk tough.

but how can anybody believe that kerry & edwards will be tough towards terrorism when they both have voting records, in the senate that says the complete opposite.

 

[shamrock]

absolutely, fighting them is not only just, but imperative. Obl was and is in Pakistan/Afghanistan. What do you figure his gang to number? It was estimated 20,000, many dead now. And what I believe we need to eradicate the rest is a specialized service of special trained Rangers, seals, etc. etc. to operate as intelligence & and military to secure and end this dilemma. GI' S wandering around like sitting ducks is doing nothing but getting kids killed.

Further this is being escalated to much more than a AL-QUADA problem. It is becoming a Muslim/infidel problem, which is exponentially worse.

 

[auspice]

freeze

"obviously you are too senile to realize...."
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obviously
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"obviously you think that all conservatives fall lock in step with their party..
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obviously, again.
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"you are unable to form your own opinion apart from shallow minded one liners"
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sorry about the one liners for answers. I just thought you had Attention Deficit Disorder, judging from the way you jump around on every topic and I was trying to keep it short.
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"Bush's foreign policy is better than the alternative"
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you mean honesty right?
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"the alternative is a pandering to CHina, Korea, renting out the lincoln bedroom....cutting and running from terror.....inspiring fear into the hearts of Americans....a fear without courage....

that is the democratic foreign policy....you should be used to it by now"
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yeah....we all sit around dressed like the Dali Lama just scared shitless. We often hope you bigger stronger alpha males will protect us against ourselves.

FREEZE GET SOME HELP NOW PLEASE !! (and please don't reproduce)