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final card
1) (big :firing: ) toledo (-13.5) over ohio
2) florida state (-3) over virginia
3) hawaii (+4.5) over utep
4) iowa (+2) over ohio state

2nd half: michigan/illinois under 27. can see illini getting conservative and trying to use the wind/homefield to their advantage

2nd half: ball state (+13) over bowling green. im running the risk of look like an idiot on this one, because with the way bsu is playing, they might not score. but brandon has said that he tried to keep the temple game from getting out of hand a few weeks ago and that he doesnt like running it up. we'll see. ball state is terrible, but 2nd/3rd stringers saw action in their last blowout, so hopefully bsu can minimize the damage and punch one or two across. plus, i dont expect bg to be going to the air in the 2nd half since conditions are less than favorable and game is well in hand.

2nd half: akron and central florida over 28
zips offense is one score away from ucf being in full catch-up mode. and akron holding a team to less than 20pts just isnt gonna happen. spang liked the over here to begin with, so im grab this favorable number at half

2nd half: florida state and virginia under 23
noles defense is dominating right now. i think were going to see a lot of the fsu power game in the 2nd half, and even though uva is gonna be throwing the ball, fsu defense doesnt give up big chunks at a time.

scratched
(no play) kent and marshall over. got too freaked out with the weather expected in ohio for the weekend. strong winds expected in kent, which could make for some conservative offense from pruett. be be scratching a winner, but not worth the risk anymore.

coat tails
cwood's michigan under 54.5
sun tzu- whaddaya got for me?


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toledo vs. ohio university

rocket offense the last month:
* offense averaging 49.5 points per game L4 gms
* a ridiculous 560 yds/gm L4 gms
* 1294 yds of offense in their last two games
* gradkowski in his L4 games is 93 of 115 for 1353 yds. 14 TDs. 0 INTs. :scared

ostensibly, this looks like a great offense (toledo) facing a stingy defense (ohio). but ohio's defense, while improved, is hardly as good as their numbers would indicate.

these are the teams ohio has played, with their rank in total offense (of all D1 teams):

* pitt (84 of 117)
* miami (55 of 117)
* buffalo (90 of 117)
* kentucky (107 of 117)
* marshall (117, dead last, of 117)

there is one good offensive team in that above group -- miami. and when the redhawks spread ohio out, the bobcats couldnt stop them (268 through the air, 146 on the ground)

thats the statistical side of capping this one. fundamentally, this one favors toledo as well.
ohio has expended a lot of energy the last two weeks. i give credit where credit is due -- i know kentucky is nothing special in the sec, but that still was a good win for the ohio program as a DD dog. last week, they should have beaten marshall straight up but lost when they missed a last second field goal from just about point blank range. i gotta think that loss lingers and ohio travels to toledo a little flat.

ohio is very similar to nebraska. theyve been an option team for the last god-knows-how-many-years. and theyre finally experimenting with the forward pass and opening up their offense a lot more. the problem for the bobcats? its the same problem nebraska has. theyre trying to run a pass offense with option personnel. in time, ohio is going to be a pretty solid team. but their schedule has been very kind to them; none of the teams theyve played (save for miami) had the offensive firepower to blow them out (and the redhawks did).

right now, ohio is walking into a buzzsaw. im not going to out-think myself with the (relatively) low line. that line is there because ohio has been a solid spread team up to this point and a cursory glance at some stats shows ohio's defense to be stingy. its not. their defensive success has been the byproduct of facing some incredibly lame offenses. toledo is just in a zone right now. and its not just gradkowski playing well (although 80% completions the last month is tough to top). the toledo rushing game is churning out yards as well, making the balanced UT offense almost impossible for opposing defenses to stop consistently.
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florida st vs. virginia ....cwood said it best. little brother vs big brother in the acc. virginia is an outstanding team, but theyre not gonna get it done in tallahassee. cavaliers have a great rushing game, but theyre going to be running into a brick wall, as fsu is domiant against the run. fsu owns this series (11-1 SU vs cavaliers) and have won 48 of 49 home games against acc teams. virginia is for real, but im not buying that this is a "down year" for florida state. this is a pretty damn good team with a great defense. last weeks close call vs syracuse shouldnt be that surprising. theyre not the first team, nor will they be the last, to struggle mightily in that dome.

hawaii vs. utep ...this sort of follows my jacksonville (nfl) logic. sometimes early in the season, teams perform well in an 'extended' dog role. they sneak up on teams week after week and nobody expects anything from them. theres no pressure. then all the sudden theyre installed as a chalk, and they fail miserably. jags were dog/dog/dog/dog and then once they went chalk - BAM -- back to earth. also, from a fundamental perspective, the miner pass defense is atrocious. arizona state threw for 356 yards on the utep defense. then boise came right back and threw for 392 yards. what is timmy chang gonna throw for against this porous secondary? 450? 475? hawaii is always a risky bet anywhere in the contiguous 48, but i cant justify utep as the favorite, especially with the bows ringing up over 1100 yards of total offense the last two weeks. hawaii was abysmal in weeks 1/2, but their week off really helped them and the last two weeks have been run-n-shoot clinics.

iowa vs. ohio state ..... buckeyes are a mess right now. as much as i like tressel, hes starting to just spin crazy shit to the media. its obvious that even he is a little perplexed by whats gone on in recent weeks. the bucks offense is simply pathetic. this week, a few players have started to speak out and suggest that a qb change from zwick to smith would help inject life into a dead offense. i think zwick is gonna be a good qb in time, but its starting to look like the team is not totally behind him, and thats not good. iowa has had an extra week to prepare, and osu comes in staggering. bucks have caught some fortunate breaks the L2 or 3 years. i think their weaknesses are starting to get exposed and are starting to show up more now that the bounces and breaks arent all going in their favor.
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I am a damn loser. Sorry GMan. Had the horns defense pegged. I just somehow underestimated the ineptitude of Greg Davis. And man does KState blow. A suggestion: see if the book will let you borrow against the 70 points Tech put up.
 

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g, what the hell are you seeing in Hawaii? Please give me any info that would help me and bet the middle on my -3 bet. I don't see it.
 

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FYI


Gman read somewhere the visiting team is 6-1 ats on the Toledo/OHIO game. Can you verify?

thx
 

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I love Toledo & Hawaii this week

Also I'm very tempted to make a big play on BSU-21
Any thoughts ?


GL
 

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Looks like we might be going head to head in some games, Best of luck to you. As always solid information and write-up.

Cheers
Irish
 

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Think UTEP running and ball control take the air out of Hawaii. Nevada would of been allot closer if they had'nt fumbled on the four yard line and threw the pick the other way. Utep playing well under price and those two games were early under a new system. They picked off Pinnegar twice in the last five minutes of the fresno game and i rate Fresno 8 points better than Hawaii. I think you need to take a second look at this team. Shut out New Mexico St. 45-0, and beat fresno straight up getting 19 points tells me price has this team playing really hard for em. Hawaii off the island lost to rice by about twenty. I'd be really careful here G. What did you think of my over and unders i posted?
 

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joe:

only numbers i could find:
* toledo 12-1 straight up vs ohio since 1983.
* but theyve only played once since 1997 (ut 48 ou 41 in athens)
with one head-to-head meeting in the L7 years, #s might not apply to capping this one.

tulah:

i cant figure out that tulsa/boise game at all. part of me sees tons of value in tulsa as a big home dog, but part of me acknowledges that the hurricane just cant score right now. boise with fresno on deck, but that game has lost all of its luster with fsu tanking the L2 weeks and, as of now, that boise/fresno game has almost no impact on the wac race. so i cant even classify it as a 'lookahead game' for boise anymore. tulsa's schedule to this point hasnt been a cakewalk, but having said that --- theyre averaging just 10 ppg against 1-A teams this year. tulsa hasnt played their best football yet and i dont think theyre all that bad a team. the problem is, they cant get the ball in the endzone and against boise, thats not good. i still couldnt trust boise laying all those pts in just their 2nd road game of the season and a defense thats not playing well. conversely, tulsas offense scares me to the point that im not confident they could cover if boise went out 14-0 early. i think there are very valid reasons to bet boise and very valid reasons to back tulsa. i just dont know which is the way to go, thus i am staying far away.
 

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Ths for info on ats on toledo.

Here is another question.

I show Arkon over ucf . Wrong team favored here .
Do you have anything that disputes the stats.

This game is one of two that comes up STRONG.

It Fits a Laugher Pick.
 

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UCF - Defensive back Atari Bigby (leg) is doubtful for Saturday's game against Akron. *Running back Alex Haynes (shoulder), offensive lineman Adam Butcher (knee), defensive lineman Ben Brinson (knee), linebackers Brian Goins (knee) and Ronnell Sandy (leg) and placekicker Matt Prater (hip) are questionable. Wide receiver Sha'reff Rashad (thumb) is sidelined indefinitely. Defensive back Rovel Hamilton (personal) has left the team. Defensive backs Jason Venson (ankle) and Peter Sands (academics) are expected to miss the season.

i`m no expert on the mac...but after looking hard at last week`s c.fla. game,i know that bigby is an important cog in the ucf defense....as is alex haynes to the ucf offense......

just some info...g.l.
 

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Gman - I'm with Arrow here regarding the hawaii pick. Hawaii has absolutely no defense and the game against Nevada should have been a lot closer than the final score indicated. Nevada pretty much stopped tehmselves on that game. Hawaii's receivers don't look too good either, they have been dropping way too many easy catches but the thing that really scares me is their deffense, they need a lot of help. I can see UTEP easily scoring up to 40+ on this one and that's asking a lot out of Hawaii on the road.
 

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joe:

as far as akron goes, theyre the better team but i just cant trust em down in orlando. what scares me is the zips have gotten clobbered any time theyve really left home to play a game this season. the way i look at it, the kent state/akron game is like a pseudo-road game for the visiting team. the schools are so close (15 mins) that its not really a road trip so im not gonna get carried away with that win. but they were blown out in the 1st quarter of the psu, niu, and uva games. that being said, ucf is banged up and could be a little drained from their comeback-that-wasnt-to-be (down 21-0 at half to niu, come all the way back to take the lead in the final minute, but lose on a last second FG).

put it this way. akron SHOULD win this game. they are the better team and i think you could be right -- you can make a case for akron being favored on paper. but as spang can surely attest, thats what makes akron such an enigma. they are incredibly inconsistent. they played really well last week, albeit vs a poor buffalo team, but they still looked good. yet this has always been a program that doesnt 'build' on wins. its like every week is a new surprise.

can you tell im torn on that one, lol? good luck if you do decide to go akrons way.


socalyo:

thanks for the reply. i just think hawaii has finally gotten their offense untracked and utep is terrible vs the pass. is hawaiis defense porous? absolutely. but i dont like this chalk spot for the miners. its tough to lay chalk if you cant stop the oppositions strength. normally, im not above dropping a play when i get a few guys suggesting that i stay away (i.e texas last week. glad some guys spoke up and talked me out of it). but for whatever reason, im sticking to my guns on this particular play, mainly because it falls into a 'situational system' that ive had good success with over the years (a successful early season dog who is a money maker in the dog role, but once vegas installs them as chalk, they fail. it happens a lot).
 

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I'd like to coattail you on the Toledo play G but what concerns me is that Toledo gives up an average of 37 points/game while Ohio only gives up 18 points/game so since you know these teams alot better than me, do you feel that Toledo offense will be able to exploit Ohio's defense and can Toledo's subpar defense be able to contain Ohio? I would like to load up with you but this concerns me.

Thanks :)
 

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louisville has shown an ability to score on kentucky, army, north carolina, and east carolina. throw it out the window, because miami's defense is going to feel like a pro defense compared to those sieves. im not trying to dismiss UL as a fraud, because they are a program with big game experience and they have proven they can hang with the big boys before. but im expecting miami to dominate this game, although not necessarily on the scoreboard. the canes offense just doesnt make the same big plays that im used to seeing from them every year. but with that disgusting defense, they wont have to score a lot of points to dominate. i think both teams are content to (try) and grind it out (louisville in attempt to shorten the game and stay close....miami in an attempt to put the game in the hands of their rock solid D), and miami ultimately ends up with a 26-13 win or thereabouts.
 

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my 26-13 miami prediction was just about dead on. being the sage that i am, i predicted louisville to score 13 pts, and they scored 14. i predicted miami to dominate, and they did --- outscoring louisville 34 to 14.

nobody told me that the score at the end of the 1st half gets added to the 2nd half to settle "under 44.5" game wagers.

damn.
 

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gman2 said:
my 26-13 miami prediction was just about dead on. being the sage that i am, i predicted louisville to score 13 pts, and they scored 14. i predicted miami to dominate, and they did --- outscoring louisville 34 to 14.

nobody told me that the score at the end of the 1st half gets added to the 2nd half to settle "under 44.5" game wagers.

damn.

Classic... :jump: :142lmao:
 
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