Are any of you guys using his plays? Unfortunately, I have been. He has had some bad beats but lately the plays have been horrific - favs routinely lose and dogs generally lose by 5 or more runs - the games typically have lost before the 4th inning - totals have been even worse. The guy has dropped more than half his bankroll and it is now August - the season is getting late. Unless I have a change of mind I guess I will have to eat my losses and learn my lesson but it is pretty evident this guy is going down 40+ units if he is willing to keep posting - him putting up any more plays is flat out irresponsible - trend is typically your friend and his trend is losing - we'll see how quickly he returns all the money he promised if he did not win. If you are following him were you smart enough to quit a while back, are you going to keep playing him or are you going to give up on him? thanks for any responses and good luck.
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i personally don't "pay" for picks...i think i can do that well enough on my own....worst case for me, i go with my "GUT"
he has been a consistent winner when he posted here...
im sure he will turn it around...if you are paying for his service, then i would keep at it...all cappers have a slump....but they get out of it!!
gl
he has been a consistent winner when he posted here...
im sure he will turn it around...if you are paying for his service, then i would keep at it...all cappers have a slump....but they get out of it!!
gl
Thanks for the response - I am not trying to rip him apart - just trying to decide if I should chance any more money.
Yes, I am paid in full - I never win in baseball - for some reason I find it so hard and that is why I went with him (others feel it is the easiest sport to win at and it clearly has the worst hold for the house).
It is alot different being a service and investing other peoples money then it is to post a play. there is things to learn and I am sure he has. I do know him to be a stand up guy so if he made a promise i am sure he will keep it. There is no guarantee that anyone can make that says they will win at handicapping. But like i said i am sure he will honer what he said he is a stand up guy. Give him a chance to do what he said before you bash him.
if you are paid thru till the whole season, i would definitely keep at it!! 2 words though: "money management"....dont bet the house on one play or weekend....its a forever changing sport and it can really bitw ya in the a$$ (literally)
if he is good enough to have a site and have customers, then he will definitely get out of the slump and start making you and everyone else some $$!!
doesnt hurt to check out MJ's regularly also....some great cappers in here that post daily for free...
best of luck bud!!!
if he is good enough to have a site and have customers, then he will definitely get out of the slump and start making you and everyone else some $$!!
doesnt hurt to check out MJ's regularly also....some great cappers in here that post daily for free...
best of luck bud!!!
I am not trying to bash him - I could really care less if he returns what he said he would - the amount is trivial compared to what has been lost wagering - though I would have a hard time with him making money while all his clients take a bath. I am only speaking about results and the reality is he is down more than hald his opening bank roll which is alot if you ask me.
i understand the frustration like i said it is not as easy as one might think lot more pressure when your dealing with other peoples money and must have strong money management . that is where lot of new services get killed and way to many games you don't have to have a play everyday it is about winning not action. And it is a learning experince the word bashing could of been better but i was trying to say that he will keep his word i am sure. ans i am also sure he did not try to lose. it is a lot different like i said you are investing not gambling with peoples money so must have a set plan and stay with . I am sorry it was a tuff go butanyone should know you can't say i am going to win this amount hell you never know what is going to happen till it happens.
I stand behind that he is a stand up guy that does not help you but i guess i trying to say he was not out to scam you something went wrong and am sure it was not his plan for it.
good luck and hang in there. it sucks to lose money and even more if it is others so i am sure you both feel bad but like i said does not get your cash back, just chip away slow and rebuild your bank what is gone is gone and if you chase it will get worse.
I stand behind that he is a stand up guy that does not help you but i guess i trying to say he was not out to scam you something went wrong and am sure it was not his plan for it.
good luck and hang in there. it sucks to lose money and even more if it is others so i am sure you both feel bad but like i said does not get your cash back, just chip away slow and rebuild your bank what is gone is gone and if you chase it will get worse.
again a person registers on the site for this post .. sorry to hear you lost money so far but stick it out till the end of the season ..
anyways .. . I know Pete well and I am sure he will do well. He is one of the most sound cappers and this season has been crazy to say the least.
i am sure he will do well .. . all i can say is either cap yourself or follow the service totally.
good luck
The Vulcan
anyways .. . I know Pete well and I am sure he will do well. He is one of the most sound cappers and this season has been crazy to say the least.
i am sure he will do well .. . all i can say is either cap yourself or follow the service totally.
good luck
The Vulcan
I agree with you brother. I have played his plays since he was up 5 units and now I am down 20! I would continue playing him but I am out of money. Money management, I wish I had a million to lose but I don't. Save up for hockey. I don't blame him, it HAS been a weird season so far in baseball.
Stomie, you were playing more than 2% per play - I thought that was too risky and went less but the amount of money lost is really adding up even at 1.5% per play. I am thinking of quiting too and waiting for college baskets and hockey but I keep thinking how disappointed I will be if I quit and he goes on a winning streak - but then reality sets in and I just took the Expos and they lost 11-1 and it was over in the first inning, Pitt lost by 5 and the Braves are down 4-0 in the first - that would be 3 games - if I was getting 20 runs for the 3 games I would still have lost.
mookie77 said:
dude, start following the hot cappers that post their record here.....you'll thank yourself later.
that,s why
that,s why
Thats, why they call it gambling if anything,anybody was a sure thing there would be no gambling.ND is a class act on this site,everyone has a bad run (I know for sure I have) if Nd says he,ll make it good stick with it,he,s a class act capper .If in doubt do what we do ...............................cap it youself be proud when you win ,,take your lumps and move on,,,,,,,,,,,,
good luck
that,s why
Thats, why they call it gambling if anything,anybody was a sure thing there would be no gambling.ND is a class act on this site,everyone has a bad run (I know for sure I have) if Nd says he,ll make it good stick with it,he,s a class act capper .If in doubt do what we do ...............................cap it youself be proud when you win ,,take your lumps and move on,,,,,,,,,,,,
good luck
Well I started his plays when he was up 12 units and I stopped a while ago. The fact of the matter is that he is getting absolutely burned night in and night out. Maybe not recently but throughout most of the season.
I still follow his plays closely because the guy just flat out works to 'cap these games. I personally have never seen anyone put so much of an effort into capping games. I never knew him before I signed up for his service.
When I was losing with some of his picks I figured that the guy is doing so much work that he is bound to turn it around but it just hasn't happened. That's just the way it goes sometimes. From what I understand this is his first year offering an MLB service and it is a lot different running a service than it is just posting picks. That being said does not give him an excuse.
Following his picks I can tell you that the single hardest thing for him to get is momentum. Often there were nights where he was close to sweeping the board, and he'd lose a late game. Well one might think that its not a big deal because you have a winning day anyways but in a sense it is a bit demoralizing. On top of that it blows away your momentum which is something he has not had this year. Believe it or not momentum is very underrated in handicapping. When you get on a hot streak you just look at the board and you see things clearly. I don't think he's had that benefit all year.
You have to understand that it is frustrating that we payed money and lost our bankroll (well mine took a hit) but that is something that you should have considered at the beginning. Nobody deposits into a sportsbook thinking they will lose but reality does set in eventually. It's really a difficult situation.
I just hope everyone has learned a lesson and that things will turn out the best for everyone in the end.
I still follow his plays closely because the guy just flat out works to 'cap these games. I personally have never seen anyone put so much of an effort into capping games. I never knew him before I signed up for his service.
When I was losing with some of his picks I figured that the guy is doing so much work that he is bound to turn it around but it just hasn't happened. That's just the way it goes sometimes. From what I understand this is his first year offering an MLB service and it is a lot different running a service than it is just posting picks. That being said does not give him an excuse.
Following his picks I can tell you that the single hardest thing for him to get is momentum. Often there were nights where he was close to sweeping the board, and he'd lose a late game. Well one might think that its not a big deal because you have a winning day anyways but in a sense it is a bit demoralizing. On top of that it blows away your momentum which is something he has not had this year. Believe it or not momentum is very underrated in handicapping. When you get on a hot streak you just look at the board and you see things clearly. I don't think he's had that benefit all year.
You have to understand that it is frustrating that we payed money and lost our bankroll (well mine took a hit) but that is something that you should have considered at the beginning. Nobody deposits into a sportsbook thinking they will lose but reality does set in eventually. It's really a difficult situation.
I just hope everyone has learned a lesson and that things will turn out the best for everyone in the end.
He did get alot of bad breaks - so many blown leads in the last 2 innings - but lately the games are just simply the dead wrong side to be on - it seems like I am the only one that did not quit following his plays (boy I am a rocket scientist) - it's official like a referees whistle - I am done too - I wish him no bad luck but it should be a crime for him to take in one more penny with the results he has yielded.
I remember in the begining of the year several people asked him why he needed to charge money and why he does not just bet his plays for more - the answer is crystal clear now. I have heard of handicappers have slumps but 4 months and 50% of your bank is more than a slump - it is approaching bankrupcy.
I remember in the begining of the year several people asked him why he needed to charge money and why he does not just bet his plays for more - the answer is crystal clear now. I have heard of handicappers have slumps but 4 months and 50% of your bank is more than a slump - it is approaching bankrupcy.
First of all a couple of things don't seem right. He's down half his bank roll and one of you is broke and the other feels broke. Am I right or have I mis-read the two posts. If you go with someone you believe in, then you have to bet the same way he is betting. This doesn't mean the same amount but the same per centages of your bankroll compared to his and the same way he is playing those games. I have a little story for you.
Earlier in the year a good friend of mine decided he would follow my plays. For openers, his straight bet was ten times what mine is. He also wouldn't play parlays even tho he had been betting for about 5 years and had never won in any sport. He thought pars were bad. That's what he was told when he started. To shorten the story I'll get to the point. I went on the worst two week run I can remember having. I was playing two to four plays a day, straight betting and paring them all for one unit. What- ever number of straight bets and one par. He was just straight betting them. At the end of three or four days we were down three or four units. No big deal to me but the kind of money he was betting and losing was bothering me so I got to second guessing myself and things got worse. I had a couple of losing days, then hit a couple of 3-0 days separated by a couple of small losers, some 1-1 days and another 3-0 day. At the end of 14 days I was up 3 units but he was down 8 and got off. I then went on a 22-5 run and wound up the season up just under 80 units which is the worst NBA season I have had in years. My point is this, I have watched NDN for several years and know he is as solid a capper as there is. There is no pressure in betting like there is when you are responsible for other peoples money. When he realizes that he has to do his own thing, win or lose, I'm betting he starts winning again. The way I see it is that if he is down half his bank-roll, the worst either of you should be is down half your bank-roll. If he has rules to play by and you follow them, I have no doubt he'll will honor whatever he told at the start of the season. Good luck
Earlier in the year a good friend of mine decided he would follow my plays. For openers, his straight bet was ten times what mine is. He also wouldn't play parlays even tho he had been betting for about 5 years and had never won in any sport. He thought pars were bad. That's what he was told when he started. To shorten the story I'll get to the point. I went on the worst two week run I can remember having. I was playing two to four plays a day, straight betting and paring them all for one unit. What- ever number of straight bets and one par. He was just straight betting them. At the end of three or four days we were down three or four units. No big deal to me but the kind of money he was betting and losing was bothering me so I got to second guessing myself and things got worse. I had a couple of losing days, then hit a couple of 3-0 days separated by a couple of small losers, some 1-1 days and another 3-0 day. At the end of 14 days I was up 3 units but he was down 8 and got off. I then went on a 22-5 run and wound up the season up just under 80 units which is the worst NBA season I have had in years. My point is this, I have watched NDN for several years and know he is as solid a capper as there is. There is no pressure in betting like there is when you are responsible for other peoples money. When he realizes that he has to do his own thing, win or lose, I'm betting he starts winning again. The way I see it is that if he is down half his bank-roll, the worst either of you should be is down half your bank-roll. If he has rules to play by and you follow them, I have no doubt he'll will honor whatever he told at the start of the season. Good luck
GSP, I understand what you are saying - he recomends betting 2% per play - I know this is too much to play on a single game if you are going to be betting every day - I bet less then 2% per play - I am not down half my bankroll - it's just that there has been so much losing that even with strict money management you can take a bath if you lose all the time - it seems like most people quit playing him before he got down this much.
I'm not broke, believe me I'm far from it.
But my point is that the guy was not getting the job done for me. You can't keep thinking he's going to dig his way out. Managing your money goes without saying, that's how 90% of people fail in this industry but anyway you look at he's down 20 units.
What did I do? Just find another way to win. If you invest your money into somewhere and things don't work out you have to either cut your losses or continue to lose. This is his first year, and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe next year things will change. But I won't continue to lose money with him this year. Something has to change. I wish all the best for him but when it comes to gambling you've got to follow who's hot.
I'm not trying to complain, I didn't bring this topic up. I just share the same sentiments as I'm sure ndnfan does, as well as many of his service members. I'll take the blame for anything I've lost with him but I won't continue to lose.
I think its easy for people who know him to defend him, and I try to be as understanding of his situation as possible but I think some people should understand my perspective as well.
But my point is that the guy was not getting the job done for me. You can't keep thinking he's going to dig his way out. Managing your money goes without saying, that's how 90% of people fail in this industry but anyway you look at he's down 20 units.
What did I do? Just find another way to win. If you invest your money into somewhere and things don't work out you have to either cut your losses or continue to lose. This is his first year, and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe next year things will change. But I won't continue to lose money with him this year. Something has to change. I wish all the best for him but when it comes to gambling you've got to follow who's hot.
I'm not trying to complain, I didn't bring this topic up. I just share the same sentiments as I'm sure ndnfan does, as well as many of his service members. I'll take the blame for anything I've lost with him but I won't continue to lose.
I think its easy for people who know him to defend him, and I try to be as understanding of his situation as possible but I think some people should understand my perspective as well.
some great posts here. fletcher speaks the truth . ndn fan is a great guy as well as a capper .and i am sure fletcher knows what he is talking about. playing w/other peoples money is alot tougher than just posting plays..there is alot of time left and do believe pete will make a run. im normally gone all week and last year i signed up w/fletcher, he did a great job and when things didnt go well he laid back a few days, but i would have to agree 100% this has been a weird year. even if pete doesnt make a come back, i bet ya he comes back strong next year. the man definitely knows what he is doing, the thing is he isnt chasing the losses
