Neocons willfight to the death to keep us in Iraq

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You got to love these greedy bastards. The country wants out of this financial death trap but the neocons see lots of money to be made. Already trying to undermine an Obama presidency.

Revealed: Secret plan to keep Iraq under US control

Bush wants 50 military bases, control of Iraqi airspace and legal immunity for all American soldiers and contractors

By Patrick Cockburn
Thursday, 5 June

A secret deal being negotiated in Baghdad would perpetuate the American military occupation of Iraq indefinitely, regardless of the outcome of the US presidential election in November.

The terms of the impending deal, details of which have been leaked to The Independent, are likely to have an explosive political effect in Iraq. Iraqi officials fear that the accord, under which US troops would occupy permanent bases, conduct military operations, arrest Iraqis and enjoy immunity from Iraqi law, will destabilise Iraq's position in the Middle East and lay the basis for unending conflict in their country.

But the accord also threatens to provoke a political crisis in the US. President Bush wants to push it through by the end of next month so he can declare a military victory and claim his 2003 invasion has been vindicated. But by perpetuating the US presence in Iraq, the long-term settlement would undercut pledges by the Democratic presidential nominee, Barack Obama, to withdraw US troops if he is elected president in November.

The timing of the agreement would also boost the Republican candidate, John McCain, who has claimed the United States is on the verge of victory in Iraq ? a victory that he says Mr Obama would throw away by a premature military withdrawal.

America currently has 151,000 troops in Iraq and, even after projected withdrawals next month, troop levels will stand at more than 142,000 ? 10 000 more than when the military "surge" began in January 2007. Under the terms of the new treaty, the Americans would retain the long-term use of more than 50 bases in Iraq. American negotiators are also demanding immunity from Iraqi law for US troops and contractors, and a free hand to carry out arrests and conduct military activities in Iraq without consulting the Baghdad government.

The precise nature of the American demands has been kept secret until now. The leaks are certain to generate an angry backlash in Iraq. "It is a terrible breach of our sovereignty," said one Iraqi politician, adding that if the security deal was signed it would delegitimise the government in Baghdad which will be seen as an American pawn.

The US has repeatedly denied it wants permanent bases in Iraq but one Iraqi source said: "This is just a tactical subterfuge." Washington also wants control of Iraqi airspace below 29,000ft and the right to pursue its "war on terror" in Iraq, giving it the authority to arrest anybody it wants and to launch military campaigns without consultation.

Mr Bush is determined to force the Iraqi government to sign the so-called "strategic alliance" without modifications, by the end of next month. But it is already being condemned by the Iranians and many Arabs as a continuing American attempt to dominate the region. Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, the powerful and usually moderate Iranian leader, said yesterday that such a deal would create "a permanent occupation". He added: "The essence of this agreement is to turn the Iraqis into slaves of the Americans."

Iraq's Prime Minister, Nouri al-Maliki, is believed to be personally opposed to the terms of the new pact but feels his coalition government cannot stay in power without US backing.

The deal also risks exacerbating the proxy war being fought between Iran and the United States over who should be more influential in Iraq.

Although Iraqi ministers have said they will reject any agreement limiting Iraqi sovereignty, political observers in Baghdad suspect they will sign in the end and simply want to establish their credentials as defenders of Iraqi independence by a show of defiance now. The one Iraqi with the authority to stop deal is the majority Shia spiritual leader, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani. In 2003, he forced the US to agree to a referendum on the new Iraqi constitution and the election of a parliament. But he is said to believe that loss of US support would drastically weaken the Iraqi Shia, who won a majority in parliament in elections in 2005.

The US is adamantly against the new security agreement being put to a referendum in Iraq, suspecting that it would be voted down. The influential Shia cleric Muqtada al-Sadr has called on his followers to demonstrate every Friday against the impending agreement on the grounds that it compromises Iraqi independence.

The Iraqi government wants to delay the actual signing of the agreement but the office of Vice-President Dick Cheney has been trying to force it through. The US ambassador in Baghdad, Ryan Crocker, has spent weeks trying to secure the accord.

The signature of a security agreement, and a parallel deal providing a legal basis for keeping US troops in Iraq, is unlikely to be accepted by most Iraqis. But the Kurds, who make up a fifth of the population, will probably favour a continuing American presence, as will Sunni Arab political leaders who want US forces to dilute the power of the Shia. The Sunni Arab community, which has broadly supported a guerrilla war against US occupation, is likely to be split.
 

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Very true Sponge but the newest and most devastating problem we face is identifying the Neocons. They have infiltrated both parties, the press and broadcast media.
 

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Very true Sponge but the newest and most devastating problem we face is identifying the Neocons. They have infiltrated both parties, the press and broadcast media.

Stevie, i truly believe even if Obama wins it is gonna get eventual worse. The wrong people have been making billions in the last seven years and i wouldn't be surprised if they buy up more newspapers, tv outlets and radio stations. Imagine these war profiteers, oil companies, and other neocons with all this extra money.:scared All funded by our tax dollars and saving. That is the most sickening part of it. When you have a nation full of people who believe anything said because they have led decent, good lives and can't fathom people being this rotten, it is a recipe for disaster.
 

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patrick cockburn of "the independent"?......lol...the newspaper that`s claim to fame is trying to get pot legalized....

i love this paragraph in particular...very balanced..

"The terms of the impending deal, details of which have been leaked to The Independent, are likely to have an explosive political effect in Iraq. Iraqi officials fear that the accord, under which US troops would occupy permanent bases, conduct military operations, """arrest Iraqis""" and enjoy immunity from Iraqi law, will destabilise Iraq's position in the Middle East and lay the basis for unending conflict in their country.......


:look: ...better to leave it all for achmadinajad,eh ambassador spongy?....

i could go on,but,jack has a point regarding the "tension" in the forum....

and as far as that goes,my guess is it`s because we`ve had a recent influx of "non-liberals" into forum of late and they aren`t afraid to go "spam for spam" with spongy and his crew....

libs don`t particularly care for resisitance....they prefer fairer odds(5 against 1).....
 

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patrick cockburn of "the independent"?......lol...the newspaper that`s claim to fame is trying to get pot legalized....

i love this paragraph in particular...very balanced..

"The terms of the impending deal, details of which have been leaked to The Independent, are likely to have an explosive political effect in Iraq. Iraqi officials fear that the accord, under which US troops would occupy permanent bases, conduct military operations, """arrest Iraqis""" and enjoy immunity from Iraqi law, will destabilise Iraq's position in the Middle East and lay the basis for unending conflict in their country.......


:look: ...better to leave it all for achmadinajad,eh ambassador spongy?....

i could go on,but,jack has a point regarding the "tension" in the forum....

and as far as that goes,my guess is it`s because we`ve had a recent influx of "non-liberals" into forum of late and they aren`t afraid to go "spam for spam" with spongy and his crew....

libs don`t particularly care for resisitance....they prefer fairer odds(5 against 1).....

To be fair GW I remember when guys like you and Dogs were the majority here. All those guys getting hard over Shock and Awe. It was hard to be against the Invasion of Iraq or the Liberation as you guys called it back then. Moods change. People wake up to the fact that it is all smoke and mirrors.
 

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Weasel one thing i can never figure out about you is how in the MMA/Boxing thread when Boxlocks or someone like Frankie are skeptical about a location of a fight and think it is to risky to bet on that certain fighter, you agree but somehow all the garbage the neocons fill you, you believe it like it is gospel.:shrug:

On cut and pasting that seems to be a problem with you and no one else that i can tell. I enjoy reading almost everyone's articles if i have the time. DTB has been doing this for years and i have heard nothing from you and DTB will hear nothing from me because i like to read them. You think i was posting 20 a day. Are you aware its political season? Maybe i could post my thoughts like you and put a lot of ..... and spaces in it to make it even more brutal to read. I would rather read a cut and paste then something of yours that is basically the same thing you said eight thousand times just with more spacing.
 

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To be fair GW I remember when guys like you and Dogs were the majority here. All those guys getting hard over Shock and Awe. It was hard to be against the Invasion of Iraq or the Liberation as you guys called it back then. Moods change. People wake up to the fact that it is all smoke and mirrors.

You would think after them being wrong about that nightmare they would be ashamed to show their faces but they just go own believing the same crap from the same guys who keep lying to them:shrug:
 

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To be fair GW I remember when guys like you and Dogs were the majority here. All those guys getting hard over Shock and Awe. It was hard to be against the Invasion of Iraq or the Liberation as you guys called it back then. Moods change. People wake up to the fact that it is all smoke and mirrors.

funny how that's not my recollection?? On social issues, this forum has always leaned left.

As far as the war goes, truly, the only one I remember in this forum that was against the Iraq war from day 1 was Kosar. That's been several years ago, so I could be 'misremembering'.
 

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funny how that's not my recollection?? On social issues, this forum has always leaned left.

As far as the war goes, truly, the only one I remember in this forum that was against the Iraq war from day 1 was Kosar. That's been several years ago, so I could be 'misremembering'.

Ahhhh I seem to remember myself and Eddie Haskell. I was called every name in the book here.
 

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Maybe i could post my thoughts like you and put a lot of ..... and spaces in it to make it even more brutal to read.


I would rather read a cut and paste then something of yours that is basically the same thing you said eight thousand times just with more spacing.

lol....yeah...i realize that without "caps and bold" ,it`s not words....

jack...isn`t besmirching a dude`s j grammar and writing paradigms considered hitting "below the belt" in the forums?....

spongy......why you persnickety whipper snapper!!!...

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Ahhhh I seem to remember myself and Eddie Haskell. I was called every name in the book here.

I don't count Eddie; he just says the opposite of most to get up their dander. So, you were against the war on this forum from the get-go?? Ok, u and Kosar then.
 

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Cheney Enrages Iraqis Over Security Deal[/url][/b]

By GARY LEUPP
June 6, 2008


Dick Cheney wants the Iraqi government installed by the U.S. occupation to sign a ?security pact? with Washington by the end of July. (The pact, including a status-of-forces agreement, would be signed by the U.S. president but not constitute a treaty requiring Congressional approval.) U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker has been feverishly struggling to meet the deadline and to commit the next administration to the agreement?s terms. But that may be a tall order. Prime Minister Nour al-Maliki says negotiations are only in a beginning stage; public opinion is opposed to the pact based on leaked information about its content; and a majority of members of the Iraqi parliament have endorsed a letter to the U.S. government demanding U.S. withdrawal as the condition for ?any commercial, agricultural, investment or political agreement with the United States.?

Few Americans are familiar with the proposed treaty. If they were, they might be shocked at its provisions, ashamed about its naked sadism. It:

* grants the U.S. long-term rights to maintain over 50 military bases in their California-sized country

*allows the U.S. to strike any other country from within Iraqi territory without the permission of the Iraqi government

*allows the U.S. to conduct military activities in Iraq without consulting with the local government

*allows U.S. forces to arrest any Iraqi without consulting with Iraqi authorities

* extends to U.S. troops and contracters immunity from Iraqi law

*gives U.S. forces control of Iraqi airspace below 29,000ft.

* places the Iraqi Defense, Interior and National Security ministries, under American supervision for ten years

*gives the U.S. responsibility for Iraqi armament contracts for ten years



But Iranian political leader Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani hardly exaggerates in saying the proposed deal is designed ?to turn the Iraqis into slaves of the Americans? and to create ?a permanent occupation.? Many Iraqis use similar language. ?The agreement wants to put an American in each house,? claimed a supporter of Shiite cleric and nationalist firebrand Mutada al-Sadr. ?This agreement is poison mixed in poison, not poison in honey because there is no honey at all.? ?Why,? he asks, ?do they want to break the backbone of Iraq??

The mainstream Shiite cleric and politician Abdul-Aziz al-Hakim, head of the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council (SIIC; formerly the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq or SCIRI), agrees that the proposed agreement would ?violate Iraq's national sovereignty.? He claims a ?national consensus? against it has developed. (President Bush in December 2006 met with al-Hakim, calling his ?one of the distinguished leaders of a free Iraq,? and he is sometimes mentioned as Washington?s first choice for prime minister if al-Maliki doesn?t adequately put out. So his opposition is especially significant.)

Al-Hakim is close to Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, the most widely respected Shiite cleric in 60% Shiite Iraq. The ayatollah is thought to oppose the pact but has not yet made a pronouncement about it. Meanwhile the Association of Muslim Scholars, the largest Sunni political group in the parliament, warns that the pact paves the way for "military, economic and cultural domination? by the Americans.

Al-Sadr?s followers staged rallies around the country after prayers last Friday and plan to continue weekly peaceful demonstrations demanding that the Baghdad government hold a national referendum on the security treaty issue. The U.S. opposes such a referendum, aware that pact opponents would surely win.

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Time is running out for the Bush-Cheney Heist End Game.



Meanwhile, there?s this other Iraqi item on Cheney?s urgent to-do list: the passage of the Iraq Hydrocarbon Law by the Iraqi Parliament. This was drafted by BearingPoint (a McLean, Virginia-based management consulting provider listed by the Center for Corporate Policy as the number 2 top war profiteer of 2004) in February 2006 and then presented to the newly-appointed Iraqi Oil Minister Hussein Al-Shahristani. Shahristani then met in Washington DC with representatives of Shell, BP, ExxonMobil, ChevronTexaco and ConocoPhillips to get their comments on the draft. He promised the International Monetary Fund that the Iraqi parliament would pass the law by the end of 2006, but its members hadn?t even seen the 33-page draft law yet. Months earlier an Oil Ministry official had said that Iraqi civil society and the general public would not be consulted at all on this matter.

A secret appendix to the draft law, according to London-based Iraqi political analyst Munir Chalabi, ?will decide which oil fields will be allocated to the Iraqi National Oil Company (INOC) and which of the existing fields will be allocated to the IOCs . The appendices will determine if 10% or possibly up to 80% of these major oil fields will be given to the IOCs.? This, in other words, is another national humiliation in the offing. As six women Nobel Peace Prize recipients wrote in September 2007, it ?would transform Iraq?s oil industry from a nationalized model to a commercial model that is much more open to U.S. corporate control. Its provisions allow much (if not most) of Iraq?s oil revenues to flow out of Iraq and into the pockets of international oil companies.?

It is one of those ?bench marks? the Bush administration has imposed on Iraq, with Congressional support, as conditions for U.S. withdrawal, but even the most recent revised version, hammered out between Kurdish representatives and the Maliki cabinet, faces tough political opposition. Cheney was hoping this would be a done deal---done quickly on the sly---as of last summer. But al-Maliki still hasn?t delivered, and as a State Department report to Congress in April 2008 notes, labor opposition is formidable: ?The 26,000 member Iraq Federation of Oil Unions has voiced its members? strong opposition to the current draft of the hydrocarbon framework legislation and has demonstrated a capacity to disrupt oil production and refinery operations with strikes.?
 
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