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Fans of these teams should hold off on making reservations for the NCAA tournament, pending outcomes of their conf. tourneys:

Pepperdine (could get automatic bid if beat Gonzaga)
Vanderbilt
Wisconsin
South Carolina
Virginia
Creighton/Southern Ill loser
Memphis
Missouri
Butler
Syracuse
 

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as a Wisconsin season ticket holder

as a Wisconsin season ticket holder

you are nuts if you think WI is in any danger of not getting in :)

Big 10 co-champs

15-5 its last 20

quality road wins at Indiana, Mich State, and Minnesota

quality home wins vs Marquette, Ohio State, Illinois, Minnesota

That is certainly a resume' for a team already in the NCAA Tourney

I just had to respond and defend my alma mater :)
 

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I knew this was coming. I just had an argument with a guy at work who is a die-hard Wisky fan. They could get in; its just not a done deal. When you're RPI is around 45, you're on the fringe. If they lose in the opening round of the Big 10 tourney, they will NOT get into the NCAA tourney. A lot may depend on if conferences like the West Coast or Horizon get a second bid. Remember the Big Ten is down big time this season. In every power rating I've seen, Wisky is the 5th rated team in the Big Ten. As for Minnesota, I think they can write their NIT reservations right now.
 

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The notion that Wisconsin is a bubble team is ridiculous. Co-champs of the Big Ten and the #1 seed in the Big Ten tournament. Sorry, teams that do that, have an 18-11 record, some key road wins, and played a decent non-conference schedule are locks to get in the tournament. They are absolutely in the field of 64, regardless of what they do in the Big Ten tournament.
 

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I don't make the RPI's; I'm sure they aren't perfect. The selection committee always says RPI is the number one factor. They can pay lip service to how teams performed down the stretch, or injuries, or star power...forget about that stuff. And no one said Wisky CANT get in; the fact is that teams with RPIs around 45 are on the fringe, because there are so many bids for the Florida Atlantics and Winthrops of the world. If Wisconsin does lose its opening round game in the tourney, they better not cry about being left out. Go out and win a game or two in Indy and then it won't matter.
 

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Pepperdine (could get automatic bid if beat Gonzaga)
Vanderbilt
Wisconsin
South Carolina
Virginia
Creighton/Southern Ill loser
Memphis
Missouri
Butler
Syracuse

Count In: Missouri, and Wisconsin.
 

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I've never been a Wisky fan, and don't care whether they make it or not. But there is no way Wisky should be left out of the big dance, even if they lose to Purdue/Iowa in the Big Ten tourney.

Big 10 should have at least 4, 5 teams in the Big Dance, maybe 6 depending on who wins the conference tourney for the automatic bid.
 
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Missouri probably gets in also, but both Wisky and Mizzou are looking at around 11 seeds. South Carolina could be this year's Georgia; barely over .500 but the SEC is perceived as the number one conference so they will get a ton of bids. Pepperdine also has a good shot, IMO, even if they lose to Gonzaga.
 

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the RPI's are not the #1 factor.....that is ridiculous......here is what the RPI is.....

25% Winning percentage
50% Opponent's winning percentage
25% Opponent's opponent's winning percentage

It is a very subjective thing. For example.....who set those percentages? If you make each one 33% you get a totally different outcome........there is no way it is the #1 factor......they should use computer rankings instead of this garbage.....

If you are a 25-5 team and have an RPI of 40, but then play the #260 team and beat them by 50, your RPI will go down. Absolutely ridiculous. You should not be penalized for killing a team. You would be better if you did not even play them. That is a horrible system. Computers factor in everything and they should use power ratings as a determinant before this nonsense.
 

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Dr Freeze--

I agree. Massey and Sagarin's ratings should be used instead of RPI but with all the bubble teams in the past the committee would always cite the RPI. Like it or not, they have chosen this criteria.
 

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If i'm not mistaken no team has ever received an at-large berth with an RPI lower than 40-something.

Current RPI (through 3/3)

1 Kansas 25-2 0.6671 12 0.5809 1 1
2 Maryland 25-3 0.6658 7 0.5901 2 2
3 Duke 26-3 0.6497 24 0.5674 3 3
4 Cincinnati 27-3 0.6466 33 0.5621 4 4
5 Oklahoma 24-4 0.6446 17 0.5738 5 5
6 Alabama 24-6 0.6350 13 0.5800 6 6
7 Arizona 19-9 0.6290 1 0.6124 14 14
8 Kentucky 19-8 0.6280 3 0.6028 11 11
9 Illinois 23-7 0.6211 19 0.5725 15 16
10 Connecticut 21-6 0.6182 27 0.5650 23

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11 Mississippi St 23-7 0.6176 23 0.5680
12 Georgia 21-8 0.6170 11 0.5813 16 15
13 Florida 21-7 0.6151 22 0.5702 8 10
14 Pittsburgh 24-4 0.6138 86 0.5327 10 8
15 Oklahoma St 23-7 0.6112 37 0.5594 12 12
16 Indiana 18-10 0.6101 4 0.5991 25 21
17 Texas Tech 21-7 0.6097 30 0.5629
18 Miami-Florida 23-6 0.6094 55 0.5482 22 18
19 Texas 19-10 0.6015 9 0.5836
20 Ohio State 20-7 0.6002 50 0.5533 18 17

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21 UCLA 19-10 0.5998 10 0.5814
22 Gonzaga 27-3 0.5996 145 0.4995 7 7
23 Xavier 22-5 0.5995 91 0.5278 24
24 Utah 18-7 0.5994 38 0.5592
25 Wake Forest 19-11 0.5993 8 0.5879 24 22
26 Marquette 24-5 0.5964 108 0.5193 9 9
27 California 21-7 0.5958 63 0.5445 21 25
28 Oregon 21-7 0.5952 64 0.5436 13 13
29 Stanford 19-8 0.5922 44 0.5550 17 19
30 Michigan St 18-10 0.5915 16 0.5743

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31 Southern Cal 20-8 0.5896 56 0.5480 19 20
32 Tulsa 23-5 0.5896 119 0.5123
33 Hawaii 24-5 0.5878 131 0.5079
34 St. John's 19-10 0.5875 28 0.5649
35 Kent St 23-5 0.5867 130 0.5085
36 Western Ky 24-3 0.5866 186 0.4859 20 23
37 Charlotte 17-10 0.5858 21 0.5713
38 Arkansas 14-14 0.5819 2 0.6092
39 Notre Dame 19-9 0.5818 54 0.5496
40 Mississippi 19-9 0.5797 59 0.5467

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41 North Carolina St 20-9 0.5791 65 0.5423
42 Boston College 19-10 0.5788 49 0.5534
43 Villanova 16-11 0.5777 18 0.5727
44 Pennsylvania 23-6 0.5774 134 0.5055
45 Virginia 17-10 0.5753 41 0.5571
46 BYU 16-10 0.5733 39 0.5592
47 Wisconsin 17-11 0.5726 35 0.5611
48 Southern Ill 26-6 0.5717 175 0.4915
49 Missouri 20-10 0.5715 73 0.5397
50 Vanderbilt 16-13 0.5710 15 0.5774

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51 Pepperdine 21-7 0.5695 128 0.5093
52 San Diego St 16-11 0.5684 36 0.5604
53 Creighton 21-8 0.5673 116 0.5151
54 Syracuse 20-10 0.5669 82 0.5337
55 Georgetown 17-10 0.5667 61 0.5458
56 Wyoming 19-7 0.5665 120 0.5117
57 Memphis 21-8 0.5648 121 0.5117
58 New Mexico 16-12 0.5647 31 0.5625
59 Utah St 20-6 0.5640 157 0.4956
60 Central Conn 26-4 0.5635 248 0.4625

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61 South Carolina 15-13 0.5631 20 0.5722
62 Louisville 17-11 0.5627 58 0.5480
63 Minnesota 16-11 0.5627 51 0.5528
64 La Tech 18-8 0.5620 114 0.5185
65 Tennessee 13-15 0.5614 5 0.5938
66 Princeton 15-9 0.5613 70 0.5401
67 UNLV 18-9 0.5608 94 0.5256
68 Bowling Green 21-7 0.5602 152 0.4969
69 Saint Joseph's 18-10 0.5600 87 0.5324
70 UNC Wilmington 21-9 0.5583 125 0.5111

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I stand corrected.......

RPI Impact on Selection and Seeding
Feb 28
At this time of year, I get a lot of e-mails from fans arguing their favorite team's case vs another and the first thing on their list of arguments is almost always "our RPI is higher," and sometimes it would seem significantly higher. However, that is not really much of an argument. The reality is that RPI does not play too much of a role in the selection, and especially the seeding, processes.
Essentially, The role of the RPI is to sort out the wheat from the chaff. It is primarily a measure of a team's strength of schedule and how the team did against its schedule. It is not a perfect measure and the committee knows that, which is why they consider so many other factors. However, it is a good enough measure to help sort out which teams should be considered and which should not. If a team's RPI is high enough, it will get serious consideration. The definition of "high enough" appears to be 60th or better. Only three of the 274 at-large bids in the last eight years have come from outside the top 60. After that, the other qualities the committee considers take over. Among those qualities is good wins, bad losses, record vs better teams, record vs teams under consideration, conference performance, non-conference schedule and performance, performance away from home, etc. Read the Bracketology page for more on that.

Of course, there is a decent correlation between teams that are good in the other factors and teams that are good in the RPI, but not enough to say that the RPI is a good seed predictor. Only 42% of teams (218 of 513) in the last eight years have been seeded exactly where their RPI would indicate. Not surprisingly, the RPI seeding accuracy is best at either end of the bracket, and especially at the bottom. If you only consider the 5-12 seeds, the RPI has correctly predicted a team's seed only 25% of the time, but 36% are seeded at least two spots away from RPI prediction. I think it is pretty obvious that the committee is not letting the RPI dictate to them where teams should be seeded.

Teams are also not necessarily seeded in order of conference standing or RPI among teams in the same conference, though that is more typical. If your team is behind another team in the conference standings that is not tournament-worthy, then your team's chances to get in are not very good. However it is not terribly unusual to see one team with a worse conference record receive a higher seed than another team from the same conference. Usually that is because of a marked difference in non-conference performance or perhaps a difference in conference tournament performance.

This is why there is more art than science to bracket guessing.
 

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I respect your opinions and info you bring to this forum but...

I respect your opinions and info you bring to this forum but...

Big Ten Co-champs = automatic berth into the NCAA!

I know the Big Ten is a little down this year but at 10-5 in a major conf. you are lock to get in. Now it might hurt a lot of those teams on your list that have higher RPI then Wisconsin.

Keep the great work up Valuist!!! And Good Luck!
 
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