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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...hows-oklahoma-police-kill-unarmed-man-n650866

That link is good now and shows helicopter footage. The dash cam footage is all inconclusive, and the suspect is blocked off by the police officers.

My question is, why didn't this guy lie down in the road? Why did he keep walking. Why did he reach in his car? Did he have a death wish?

Why did the police officers not taze him? Seems that would have been a perfect response to a guy who won't obey commands but obviously has his empty hands in the air.

Feel free to embed a video or post a better link. This is all I can do from my phone.
 

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As always, there is more to this story than, "White cop shoots unarmed black".


Supposedly a call to a broken down motorist. Who breaks down in the middle of the road? What police department blocks in a stranded motorist? Why do 4-5 cops have weapons drawn on the guy?

And, as always, why can't you follow directions? If they had weapons drawn, they weren't asking to see his license anymore.
 

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He did follow directions, that was a lie made up by the shooting police officer. He was told to try to move his vehicle which is why the pack of police were following him step for step at a distance. He never reached inside the suv window as first lied about as it would have been impossible being that video footage shows the window clearly rolled up and blood running down the window. Police responded to a stalled vehicle with door open on passenger side. Crutcher was on side of road waiting for assistance. When the female officer pulled up he walked out and it surprised her?! So she drew her weapon because that is what all officers are trained to do when a black man says hello my vehicle is broke down. He put his hands up to prevent extra bullet holes to his chest, and walked to his vehicle to retrieve his identification and try to move the vehicle, as he was asked to do which is why they didn't not bark any orders to get on the ground or use the 6 officers there to try to subdue him. He leaned up against his closed window and was simultaneously shot and tazed to death. The lying murderer officer then reported that she thought he had a weapon in his pocket, which he did not, then she thought it was in his car, which he did not, but she was sure he had one because he touched his pockets. My guess is he was looking for his keys but that's just crazy talk, I mean, who taps their pockets when looking for keys. He was returning home to his four children from classes at the community college.
The police on the scene failed to render any first aid to the rotten no good thug for over two minutes as he bled out on the street. The announcement by police was that he died from his injuries in the hospital, unfortunately that doesn't jibe with the two emt reports that he was dead at the scene.
I know one thing though, I sure am going to try to feel extra special sad next time I hear about another "extra special better than the average hero" officer dying in the line of duty, and hopefully I'll get some more nice comments about how miserable of a fuck I am, or asked to produce my health records and taxes, or maybe my friend Clint will give me another cool facepalm emoji.
YYZ is absolutely correct, there is always more to the story, there's the part the police want you to know, then there is the truth. Unfortunately the dead black thug doesn't have a criminal record from ten years ago to leak out to the media so most of us can say he had it coming.

Radical Islamic terrorists are what we should fear the most though.

Hey did you see the video of the officer up north that is now being charged with murder because he got caught planting a gun on an innocent man he murdered. It only took two and a half years to file the charges.

I was sad to see this and I feel bad for the family of the "big bad dude".

I want to thank StevieD for his post in the other thread for actually reading what I was trying to convey. I am sure this thread will go south again and I'll be blessed with some derogatory bullshit about how despicable I am or any number of well deserved comments for having an unpopular opinion and suspicious nature when it comes to these situations, so I doubt I'll respond again, so cue it up boys.



Hope this helps,
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He did follow directions, that was a lie made up by the shooting police officer. He was told to try to move his vehicle which is why the pack of police were following him step for step at a distance. He never reached inside the suv window as first lied about as it would have been impossible being that video footage shows the window clearly rolled up and blood running down the window. Police responded to a stalled vehicle with door open on passenger side. Crutcher was on side of road waiting for assistance. When the female officer pulled up he walked out and it surprised her?! So she drew her weapon because that is what all officers are trained to do when a black man says hello my vehicle is broke down. He put his hands up to prevent extra bullet holes to his chest, and walked to his vehicle to retrieve his identification and try to move the vehicle, as he was asked to do which is why they didn't not bark any orders to get on the ground or use the 6 officers there to try to subdue him. He leaned up against his closed window and was simultaneously shot and tazed to death. The lying murderer officer then reported that she thought he had a weapon in his pocket, which he did not, then she thought it was in his car, which he did not, but she was sure he had one because he touched his pockets. My guess is he was looking for his keys but that's just crazy talk, I mean, who taps their pockets when looking for keys. He was returning home to his four children from classes at the community college.
The police on the scene failed to render any first aid to the rotten no good thug for over two minutes as he bled out on the street. The announcement by police was that he died from his injuries in the hospital, unfortunately that doesn't jibe with the two emt reports that he was dead at the scene.
I know one thing though, I sure am going to try to feel extra special sad next time I hear about another "extra special better than the average hero" officer dying in the line of duty, and hopefully I'll get some more nice comments about how miserable of a fuck I am, or asked to produce my health records and taxes, or maybe my friend Clint will give me another cool facepalm emoji.
YYZ is absolutely correct, there is always more to the story, there's the part the police want you to know, then there is the truth. Unfortunately the dead black thug doesn't have a criminal record from ten years ago to leak out to the media so most of us can say he had it coming.

Radical Islamic terrorists are what we should fear the most though.

Hey did you see the video of the officer up north that is now being charged with murder because he got caught planting a gun on an innocent man he murdered. It only took two and a half years to file the charges.

I was sad to see this and I feel bad for the family of the "big bad dude".

I want to thank StevieD for his post in the other thread for actually reading what I was trying to convey. I am sure this thread will go south again and I'll be blessed with some derogatory bullshit about how despicable I am or any number of well deserved comments for having an unpopular opinion and suspicious nature when it comes to these situations, so I doubt I'll respond again, so cue it up boys.



Hope this helps,
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If he would have obeyed the cops he would be alive today. Follow directions, its not that hard. Say yes sir no sir yes maam no maam and move on with your life. These guys getting shot for not simply following directions its their fault. How about some personal responsibility?
 

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Do you have first hand knowledge of all the info you just wrote? If not; its pure speculation and-or bs.

Btw.....love the statement of fact about how "cops are trained to draw their guns when a black person says hello my car is broken down". Does that happen on day 1 or 2 of training at the academy?
 

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Do you have first hand knowledge of all the info you just wrote? If not; its pure speculation and-or bs.

Btw.....love the statement of fact about how "cops are trained to draw their guns when a black person says hello my car is broken down". Does that happen on day 1 or 2 of training at the academy?

After I read that statement I stopped reading his BULLSHIT.
 

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If he would have obeyed the cops he would be alive today. Follow directions, its not that hard. Say yes sir no sir yes maam no maam and move on with your life. These guys getting shot for not simply following directions its their fault. How about some personal responsibility?

And how many incidents do I need to show you where individuals did comply and were still shot/tased/arrested/etc. before you realize that this long-standing narrative and logic no longer has any merit?

Peace! :)
 

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From a former police officer:

"As a former police officer I just don't get where so many of these officers think that the thing they should use last becomes the first thing that they use. Is the subject a direct threat to their lives or the lives of others....no way. What happened to tactical communications, intermediate weapons such as OC spray or tasers.....not to mention that many of these cases don't even require that much Use of Force? In the Military Police we were taught, if you have to pull that trigger it is because you believe your life or the life of others is in immediate and eminent threat AND that whatever Use of Force you use is the minimal amount available to you to stop the aggressor. You were also told to prepare yourself that if you had to discharge your firearm , the onus would be on you to prove that no lesser use of force alternative was available to you or you knew you were kissing your career away and possibly your freedom. Sadly our American counterparts seem to have such little regard for human life....I truly do not understand their mind set when it comes threat assessments. Between this chit and Trump, its leading us into a race war that nobody will win. #OneLove"

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He did follow directions, that was a lie made up by the shooting police officer. He was told to try to move his vehicle which is why the pack of police were following him step for step at a distance. He never reached inside the suv window as first lied about as it would have been impossible being that video footage shows the window clearly rolled up and blood running down the window. Police responded to a stalled vehicle with door open on passenger side. Crutcher was on side of road waiting for assistance. When the female officer pulled up he walked out and it surprised her?! So she drew her weapon because that is what all officers are trained to do when a black man says hello my vehicle is broke down. He put his hands up to prevent extra bullet holes to his chest, and walked to his vehicle to retrieve his identification and try to move the vehicle, as he was asked to do which is why they didn't not bark any orders to get on the ground or use the 6 officers there to try to subdue him. He leaned up against his closed window and was simultaneously shot and tazed to death. The lying murderer officer then reported that she thought he had a weapon in his pocket, which he did not, then she thought it was in his car, which he did not, but she was sure he had one because he touched his pockets. My guess is he was looking for his keys but that's just crazy talk, I mean, who taps their pockets when looking for keys. He was returning home to his four children from classes at the community college.
The police on the scene failed to render any first aid to the rotten no good thug for over two minutes as he bled out on the street. The announcement by police was that he died from his injuries in the hospital, unfortunately that doesn't jibe with the two emt reports that he was dead at the scene.
I know one thing though, I sure am going to try to feel extra special sad next time I hear about another "extra special better than the average hero" officer dying in the line of duty, and hopefully I'll get some more nice comments about how miserable of a fuck I am, or asked to produce my health records and taxes, or maybe my friend Clint will give me another cool facepalm emoji.
YYZ is absolutely correct, there is always more to the story, there's the part the police want you to know, then there is the truth. Unfortunately the dead black thug doesn't have a criminal record from ten years ago to leak out to the media so most of us can say he had it coming.

Radical Islamic terrorists are what we should fear the most though.

Hey did you see the video of the officer up north that is now being charged with murder because he got caught planting a gun on an innocent man he murdered. It only took two and a half years to file the charges.

I was sad to see this and I feel bad for the family of the "big bad dude".

I want to thank StevieD for his post in the other thread for actually reading what I was trying to convey. I am sure this thread will go south again and I'll be blessed with some derogatory bullshit about how despicable I am or any number of well deserved comments for having an unpopular opinion and suspicious nature when it comes to these situations, so I doubt I'll respond again, so cue it up boys.



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Wow for someone who prides himself of only talking about the facts you make a up a lot of shit in here..

Where to begin.. "He did follow directions.. He was told to try to move his vehicle which is why the pack of police were following him step for step at a distance."

This is not true.. There is no evidence that you can hear the offers asking him to return to his vehicle.. If you are going to assume they were telling him anything it was to stop and get down on the ground... In fact the more you think about it the more ridiculous your assertions are. "Yes sir we received a call your car was about to blow and you are acting very bizarre. Please walk back to your vehicle and get inside where you could have god knows what and we will just follow a few steps behind you. "You dont pull a weapon on someone and then ask them to get back in their car and move it..


"Police responded to a stalled vehicle with door open on passenger side. Crutcher was on side of road waiting for assistance. "

Bull shit.. Police did not respond to a stalled car. The engine was still running.. They responded to the two 911 calls that came in saying someone has parked their car in the middle of the street.. the car is still running and the doors are open. He is blocking traffic. One caller got out and tried to help him but because he was acting erratic and saying his car was about to blow up. She sped away and called 911.. She mentioned she thought he was on something.


"When the female officer pulled up he walked out and it surprised her?! So she drew her weapon because that is what all officers are trained to do when a black man says hello my vehicle is broke down. "


Bull shit..

She came in with no headlights on to simply investigate.. Which is why here dash came was not activated. It wasnt till after she tried to talk with him that she phoned in to dispatch that the owner of the vehicle was not cooperating and called for back up. You dont call in 4 cops and and a helicopter for a stalled vehicle.
"Hello my vehicle is broken down" you completely made up.

"he walked to his vehicle to retrieve his identification and try to move the vehicle" You have proof of this? He was not cooperating from the start.. Maybe he was trying to get in his car to speed away.. Maybe to detonate a bomb since he had already told someone the car was set to blow.. How would the cops know his intentions as he was not doing what he was instructed in the first place.

" He was returning home to his four children from classes at the community college."

False... he was driving from a music festival.. Where judging from his bizarre behavior and considering they found PCP in his car he was probably whacked out of his mind.. But I suppose time will tell on that one.

"Und black thug doesn't have a criminal record from ten years ago"fortunately the dea

He does including resisting arrest and assault and battery of a police officer..


Now having said that.. As far as I can tell shooting him and killing him was NOT justified.. She should have tried to taze him first.. Where you and I differ is you think this cop that walked up and shot an innocent black man for shits and giggles where I believe race had nothing to do with it. The fact is Crutcher could have prevented his own death if he simply would have listened to officers and got on the ground. I didnt say this merited a death sentence.. Im saying it was avoidable. You are saying it was not avoidable because all cops are looking to shoot black people to death at any given chance.

There have been what?.... 4 or 5 cops killed in the last few weeks. Some purposely ambushed. Another three were purposely ran over while standing outside of a store. (Some how, miraculously, that suspect lived and was taken into custody.. How is this possible if cops shoot blacks for no good reason.?

The point is the officers are on edge and the second he reached for the door handle she panicked. Very sad on all fronts.
 

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And how many incidents do I need to show you where individuals did comply and were still shot/tased/arrested/etc. before you realize that this long-standing narrative and logic no longer has any merit?

Peace! :)


Not being a smart ass here but could you please provide a few examples??? The only recent one I can even think of was the poor bloke that got shot inside his car a few months back and his girlfriend filmed it.. Just terrible.

Possibly the white kid shot by a black cop outside the 7-11

But I believe these to be the exceptions not the rule.

Every other example I can think of suspects where not compliant


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Read all the statements made by all involved.
The statement about being trained to draw their weapons was called sarcasm. I'll try to remember I'm not allowed to utilize it.
Maybe listen to the press conferences as well or the report filed by the other officers involved. At no point did I say "I heard him" say anything.

The entire point is that there is something wrong with the disparity of unarmed black men being gunned down and left to die on the street. You want to bury your heads in the sand and call me fill of shit so be it.

Hedge,
I agree with you to a certain degree but it's not always 100% true that they'd all be alive today. Have a good day man.




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Read all the statements made by all involved.
The statement about being trained to draw their weapons was called sarcasm. I'll try to remember I'm not allowed to utilize it.
Maybe listen to the press conferences as well or the report filed by the other officers involved. At no point did I say "I heard him" say anything.

The entire point is that there is something wrong with the disparity of unarmed black men being gunned down and left to die on the street. You want to bury your heads in the sand and call me fill of shit so be it.

Hedge,
I agree with you to a certain degree but it's not always 100% true that they'd all be alive today. Have a good day man.




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Each person that has died at the hands of cops were not doing as they were instructed. Nobody got shot without being told to do something else. Yes, I believe you should try and apprehend most of these people by telling them what do do first, tazer if they don't listen , then deadly force as a last resort only if their lives are in danger. Cops these days are quick to fire.
 

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Again the officer was to quick on the trigger but you cant let him back in the car.. I understand this video is used by police for training purposes.


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Yeah except there was no pcp in his car Gibber. You have no idea if he was disobeying anything because the voices on the dash cam aren't audible. You believe anything and everything that the shooter claims to have happened yet not one bit of it can you substantiate with your own eyes or ears from those videos other than the window was rolled up and the shooter claims he tried to reach through the window with his left arm. You take a screen shot of anywhere on that video that you and everyone else can plainly see him doing that, yet you claim it to be indisputable.

Here's the deal Gibber, if you can honestly look at all the video evidence and tell me that somehow it's reasonable to you that a father of four can get gunned down in the street like what you can personally see. A man with his hands over his head walking calmly and not stumbling and in seconds be shot through the lungs from 7 feet away, and you can't comprehend how to some citizens that doesn't look like the land of the free and equal civil liberties for everyone they've been told they have, than I don't know what to tell you.

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Without passing any judgments one way or the other on whether Mr. Crutcher?s actions warranted the shot fired by Officer Shelby, one thing is 100% clear, and that is that Terence Crutcher?s hands were not raise when he was shot, but down by his side.

The mainstream media is, universally and without question, lying to you about the circumstances of Terence Crutcher?s shooting.

Why?

Update: PCP was recovered from Crutcher?s vehicle, and Officer Shelby is trained to recognize the signs of PCP abuse.

Final Update: There is now an attempt developing this evening to craft a new narrative defending Mr. Crutcher on social media, claiming that he couldn?t have reached into the vehicle, because, they claim, that the vehicle?s windows are up.

This appears to be a false claim. All four windows were down on Mr. Crutcher?s vehicle, and his sunroof was open.
 

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Without passing any judgments one way or the other on whether Mr. Crutcher?s actions warranted the shot fired by Officer Shelby, one thing is 100% clear, and that is that Terence Crutcher?s hands were not raise when he was shot, but down by his side.

The mainstream media is, universally and without question, lying to you about the circumstances of Terence Crutcher?s shooting.

Why?

Update: PCP was recovered from Crutcher?s vehicle, and Officer Shelby is trained to recognize the signs of PCP abuse.

Final Update: There is now an attempt developing this evening to craft a new narrative defending Mr. Crutcher on social media, claiming that he couldn?t have reached into the vehicle, because, they claim, that the vehicle?s windows are up.

This appears to be a false claim. All four windows were down on Mr. Crutcher?s vehicle, and his sunroof was open.
Skull,
Not saying whether any or all of it is true or false. To me the front side window looks like mine, untinted with the back seat driver side window is tinted, and it looks at one point like there is a streak of blood on it that rolls right into driver door. Again, I don't know for sure as I'm not on the jury and not an expert. I do know that this shouldn't be a death sentence for anyone. At some point we need to agree that the shootings, police related or not, are getting troublesome, at least they are for me. That doesn't mean I'm advocating anything whatsoever about gun control, just saying the shootings in the U.S. are out of hand

Hope all is well my man.

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Skull,
Not saying whether any or all of it is true or false. To me the front side window looks like mine, untinted with the back seat driver side window is tinted, and it looks at one point like there is a streak of blood on it that rolls right into driver door. Again, I don't know for sure as I'm not on the jury and not an expert. I do know that this shouldn't be a death sentence for anyone. At some point we need to agree that the shootings, police related or not, are getting troublesome, at least they are for me. That doesn't mean I'm advocating anything whatsoever about gun control, just saying the shootings in the U.S. are out of hand

Hope all is well my man.

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Boy.....that was a quick 180 from the garbage opining, analysis, truth and "facts" you offered up earlier.

Guess the details and facts actually do matter......unless one has a predetermined agenda and narrative to push like

#blacklivesmatter
#themedia
#barackobama
#fdcdiatribesmatter

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