Nolan I was wondering if you have studied any craps system books. I've been browsing the web and found a system called c-7 for craps. not that i want to buy it but was looking for some info so i can calculate the probability rate for his system and see if it can hold up over the long haul. after all if he wants $400.00 bones for the dam thing. I have a pretty fair take with my 6-8 regression system that will work on cold,choppy or hot table. but I am always looking for something that may work better. I have doubts about this c-7 system but would like to crunch it if possible. Thanks.
Nolan ?
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I'm not Nolan, but if he responds, I suspect it will be along the following lines...
I don't know what this C-7 is all about, but there just simply isn't a winning system for a game where every roll of the dice is independent from the previous one and every roll of the dice has a negative expectation.
Identification of hot/cold/choppy is impossible before those states come about because of the independence of each roll. Not seeing a 7 for 10 minutes doesn't make the next roll any more likely or less likely to be a 7.
Not to be rude, but if you've won money playing a system at craps, you've either kept poor records or haven't been playing your system long enough. The only people making money from craps are the casinos, people selling books on their systems, and Charmin.
If I knew what the C-7 system was, I could tell you what your "probability rate" is but I guarantee it will be negative.
Save your dough and use the $400 to play with. It's at least a fun time.
Better yet, buy $400 worth of poker books if you want to learn a game you have a chance at beating.
I don't know what this C-7 is all about, but there just simply isn't a winning system for a game where every roll of the dice is independent from the previous one and every roll of the dice has a negative expectation.
Identification of hot/cold/choppy is impossible before those states come about because of the independence of each roll. Not seeing a 7 for 10 minutes doesn't make the next roll any more likely or less likely to be a 7.
Not to be rude, but if you've won money playing a system at craps, you've either kept poor records or haven't been playing your system long enough. The only people making money from craps are the casinos, people selling books on their systems, and Charmin.
If I knew what the C-7 system was, I could tell you what your "probability rate" is but I guarantee it will be negative.
Save your dough and use the $400 to play with. It's at least a fun time.
Better yet, buy $400 worth of poker books if you want to learn a game you have a chance at beating.
well shrimp their is a probability calculation that you can use with any numbers after all it is mathematics and yes my 6-8 regression system works very fine for me. Not that it wins every time but it is winning and I am more to the + side then the -. but of course as with anything it comes down to discipline.
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I'm headed down to Aruba for a week and plan to sit for several spells at craps tables. I enjoy watchin' those bones roll. Does anyone else have craps strats?
Any help is appericated.
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I'm headed down to Aruba for a week and plan to sit for several spells at craps tables. I enjoy watchin' those bones roll. Does anyone else have craps strats?
Any help is appericated.
Las Vegas will send a plane and give you great accomodations if you tell them you have a system.Can't make a negative into a positive.
Shrimp pretty much summed up my thoughts on this, but I'll offer some addtional details if anyone is interested:
First, if you are into dice systems -- I must ask what your goal is? Is your goal to make money playing craps? If so, you can forget about using ANY kind of betting system. It's mathematically impossible to beat the game. The sooner you accept this fact, the less aggrevation you will suffer.
Second, if you are interested in playing craps to acquire comp priviledges (RFB) then there are viable gambling systems you can use which will minimize your risk and maximize your action to take advantage of the comp systems to the fullest extent possible. Paroli systems and other mini-progressives work well if you are interested merely in spending time at the tables to earn comps. Frankly, I do not advocate this -- but if you are inclined to gamble and like the adrenaline rush of craps, then betting systems can serve that purpose.
I am embarassed to publicly admit this, but I actually did purchase a craps system through the mail back about 12 years ago. It was called the 6 to 1 method. The author sent me a big fat notebook and an audio tape. It was piss in your pants funny to listen to. I kept it as a novelty item. I also purchased a horse racing system through the mail from a guy in Brooklyn (he pomised me I could RETIRE in two years after using the system). I will do a write up on these screwjobs sometime in the future. They are a riot.
Please read carefully.
ANYONE who sells you a gambling system of ANY kind through the mail or over the Internet is a CROOK.
Please read that again. A
ANYONE who sells you a gambling system of ANY kind through the mail or over the Internet is a CROOK.
What's astonishing is that some people think that the MORE money they spend, the better the system must be. Read the memoirs and news articles of ex-con men and assorted cheats who totally screwed people out of their money. Since gambling is largely unregulated (handicapping services, periodicals and so forth can say whatever they want) any clown with a PO Box and a set of steel balls can promise anything and have a bunch of gullible suckers ready to send in cash. I've even seen some charleton promise to track your horiscope vis-a-vis gambling, for a fee. Astonishing.
I appreciate you asking questions first before sending in good hard-earned money. I wish I had been so wise -- but I got stiffed not once but TWICE! In fact, I got screwed in the ass FOUR times by the con men if you count the two times I purchased handicapping service picks (this is back in the 80s). So, I guess I'm the idiot here in the conversation.
One other point: Be careful about gambling in B/M casinos down in the Carribbean. I am not saying they are all dishonest, but I DO KNOW FOR A FACT that some of the smaller casinos down there hire card cheats (mechanics). it would not surprise me to know they also load and switch dice. You are probably safe in big corporate-run places like Atlantis in the Bahamas, but in the smaller casinos you are flat out asking to get taken for a ride. Believe me, you would not be able to detect the cheating that goes on no matter how much experience you have. In some places, if you start winning too much, the cooler comes in and hits you with a sledgehammer. I assure you this is true and a VERY COMMON practice because a very good friend of mine runs a casino down there and he flat out tells me they have mechanics on hand ready to screw people that start winning. You can be sure the same thing is happening in the dice pit.
Nolan Dalla
First, if you are into dice systems -- I must ask what your goal is? Is your goal to make money playing craps? If so, you can forget about using ANY kind of betting system. It's mathematically impossible to beat the game. The sooner you accept this fact, the less aggrevation you will suffer.
Second, if you are interested in playing craps to acquire comp priviledges (RFB) then there are viable gambling systems you can use which will minimize your risk and maximize your action to take advantage of the comp systems to the fullest extent possible. Paroli systems and other mini-progressives work well if you are interested merely in spending time at the tables to earn comps. Frankly, I do not advocate this -- but if you are inclined to gamble and like the adrenaline rush of craps, then betting systems can serve that purpose.
I am embarassed to publicly admit this, but I actually did purchase a craps system through the mail back about 12 years ago. It was called the 6 to 1 method. The author sent me a big fat notebook and an audio tape. It was piss in your pants funny to listen to. I kept it as a novelty item. I also purchased a horse racing system through the mail from a guy in Brooklyn (he pomised me I could RETIRE in two years after using the system). I will do a write up on these screwjobs sometime in the future. They are a riot.
Please read carefully.
ANYONE who sells you a gambling system of ANY kind through the mail or over the Internet is a CROOK.
Please read that again. A
ANYONE who sells you a gambling system of ANY kind through the mail or over the Internet is a CROOK.
What's astonishing is that some people think that the MORE money they spend, the better the system must be. Read the memoirs and news articles of ex-con men and assorted cheats who totally screwed people out of their money. Since gambling is largely unregulated (handicapping services, periodicals and so forth can say whatever they want) any clown with a PO Box and a set of steel balls can promise anything and have a bunch of gullible suckers ready to send in cash. I've even seen some charleton promise to track your horiscope vis-a-vis gambling, for a fee. Astonishing.
I appreciate you asking questions first before sending in good hard-earned money. I wish I had been so wise -- but I got stiffed not once but TWICE! In fact, I got screwed in the ass FOUR times by the con men if you count the two times I purchased handicapping service picks (this is back in the 80s). So, I guess I'm the idiot here in the conversation.
One other point: Be careful about gambling in B/M casinos down in the Carribbean. I am not saying they are all dishonest, but I DO KNOW FOR A FACT that some of the smaller casinos down there hire card cheats (mechanics). it would not surprise me to know they also load and switch dice. You are probably safe in big corporate-run places like Atlantis in the Bahamas, but in the smaller casinos you are flat out asking to get taken for a ride. Believe me, you would not be able to detect the cheating that goes on no matter how much experience you have. In some places, if you start winning too much, the cooler comes in and hits you with a sledgehammer. I assure you this is true and a VERY COMMON practice because a very good friend of mine runs a casino down there and he flat out tells me they have mechanics on hand ready to screw people that start winning. You can be sure the same thing is happening in the dice pit.
Nolan Dalla
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Thanks for your Reply Nolan.
I had no intention of buying this system was just intrested in what type it was. An yes you are correct you never have a house advantage over any casino with craps. actually you never even get true odds on your bets. but you lessen the advantage by taking odds. Maybe I am mistaken by saying I have a system for craps, I should of phrased it by saying I have a betting formula. I have had very good success with placing the 6-8 for 36 each after 3 rolls and taking down after one hit or taking my bet off. sometimes I will buy the ten also for 50 + the buy. sometimes will lay the pass line with max odds back but very rarely, mostly 6-8 place bets. never play hard ways or horn bets. this formula has worked for me but like i said with any gaming it comes down to discipline and feel. Thanks again
GL TO ALL
I had no intention of buying this system was just intrested in what type it was. An yes you are correct you never have a house advantage over any casino with craps. actually you never even get true odds on your bets. but you lessen the advantage by taking odds. Maybe I am mistaken by saying I have a system for craps, I should of phrased it by saying I have a betting formula. I have had very good success with placing the 6-8 for 36 each after 3 rolls and taking down after one hit or taking my bet off. sometimes I will buy the ten also for 50 + the buy. sometimes will lay the pass line with max odds back but very rarely, mostly 6-8 place bets. never play hard ways or horn bets. this formula has worked for me but like i said with any gaming it comes down to discipline and feel. Thanks again
GL TO ALL
