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NEW YORK (AP) -- Mark McGwire fell far short in his first try for the Hall of Fame, picked by 23.5 percent of voters while Tony Gwynn and Cal Ripken Jr. easily gained baseball's highest honor.

Tarnished by accusations of steroid use, McGwire appeared on 128 of a record 545 ballots in voting released Tuesday by the Baseball Writers' Association of America.

Ripken was picked by 537 voters and appeared on 98.53 percent of ballots to finish with the third-highest percentage behind Tom Seaver (98.84) and Nolan Ryan (98.79).

The former Baltimore Orioles shortstop said he was both relieved and euphoric. If he had been picked by two of the eight voters who didn't select him, he would have set the percentage record - but he didn't mind.

"All I wanted to hear was, `You're in,'" Ripken said during a conference call. "I really didn't get caught up with wanting to be unanimous or wanting to be the most."

Gwynn received 532 votes for 97.61 percent, the seventh-highest ever, also trailing Ty Cobb, George Brett and Hank Aaron.

"It's an unbelievable feeling to know that people think that what you did was worthy," Gwynn said. "For me, it's kind of validation. The type of player that I was doesn't get a whole lot of credit in today's game."

Goose Gossage finished third with 388 votes, falling 21 shy of the necessary 409 for election. Jim Rice was fourth with 346, followed by Andre Dawson (309), Bert Blyleven (260), Lee Smith (217) and Jack Morris (202).

McGwire was ninth, followed by Tommy John (125) and Steve Garvey (115), who was in his final year of eligibility.

McGwire's dismal showing raises doubts about whether he will ever get elected - players can appear on the BBWAA ballot for 15 years - and whether the shadow of steroids will cost Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa and Rafael Palmeiro places in Cooperstown.

McGwire finished with 583 home runs, seventh on the career list, and hit 70 homers in 1998 to set the season record, a mark Bonds broke three years later. Gwynn was surprised McGwire received such a low percentage.

"I hope that as time goes on, that number will increase," Gwynn said. "I hope that one day he will get into the Hall of Fame, because I really believe he deserves it."

Ripken wouldn't give his opinion.

"I don't think it's my place to actually cast judgment," he said.

Jose Canseco, on the ballot for the first time, received six votes, well below the 5 percent threshold needed to stay on future ballots. In his book two years ago, Canseco accused McGwire and others of using steroids. The book's publication was quickly followed by a congressional hearing on steroids during which McGwire evaded questions, saying: "I'm not here to talk about the past."

Gwynn, who compiled 3,141 hits and a .338 batting average during his 20-year career with the San Diego Padres, said he was fidgety and nervous before he received the call from Jack O'Connell, the BBWAA secretary-treasurer.

"I broke down right away," he said. "My wife came over and put an arm around me."

Ripken played in a major league-record 2,632 consecutive games to break Lou Gehrig's ironman mark of 2,130, and set a new standard for shortstops with 431 home runs and 3,184 hits.

"I'm very proud of what the streak represents. Not that you were able to play in all those games, but that you showed up to play every single day," Ripken said last week.

Harold Baines, who received 29 votes, reached the 5 percent threshold. Bret Saberhagen got seven votes in his first appearance on the ballot and Ken Caminiti, who admitted using steroids during his career and died in 2004, received two.

Gwynn and Ripken raised to 43 the total of players elected in their first year of eligibility. That doesn't include Lou Gehrig (1939) and Roberto Clemente (1973), who were chosen in special elections.

Gwynn and Ripken each spent their entire major league career with one team, a rarity these days. They will be inducted during ceremonies held July 29 at the Hall in Cooperstown, N.Y., along with anyone elected from the Veterans Committee vote, which will be announced Feb. 27.

Ripken spent 21 seasons with Baltimore, hitting .276. A 19-time All-Star, he won the AL Rookie of the Year award in 1982, the AL MVP award in 1983 and 1991 and was a two-time Gold Glove shortstop.

Gwynn broke into the majors in 1982 and won eight batting titles to tie Honus Wagner's NL record. He made 15 All-Star teams and won five Gold Gloves as an outfielder.
 

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can't believe people didn't vote for gwynn. silly system they have. he should have been 100 percent for sure.

i understand why ripken is in the hall of fame, but i was never that impressed with him or his streak. but thats me.

still waiting on garvey

gl
 

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Now the big question.

Does he get on next year? Lot of talk around about them "showing McGwire" and not voting him first ballot on principal and then voting him in next year. All frauds if you ask me if you do something like that.

McGwire and Sosa rescued baseball IMO, and Selig turned a blind eye to everything. He's the real one to blame, I can't stand the sight of that squirrelly bastid'. If there should be any hanging chads, it should be him.
 

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I'm with ya BDB on Gwynn. How are you feeling about the Dodgers picking up Schmidt? I think it was a good move. What will the Dodgers rotation consist of this year? Schmidt, Lowe, Penny, Kuo, ?, ?. (sorry if these are repeat questions you've already answered)
 

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While I 100% agree that Gwynn was the best of the best during his time, but when Ted Williams, Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron don't get 100% of the votes, then neither will TG.
 

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From what I've heard from a lot of writers, you'll never see someone get 100%. Especially if it looks like that may happen. They like to feel like they are as big or bigger than sports itself. One or a few will always step up and be the decending vote, and take all the bad (good) pub they can get. Bunch of alcoholics.
 

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I think all these steriods guys should get in. why is it the writers job to police the players? Baseball is the one let this all happen. Not the writers. what i would like to see is these maple bats be illegal. these things are rock hard. try driving a nail in a piece of pine and then try to put one through a maple piece. Almost impossible.
 

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can't believe people didn't vote for gwynn. silly system they have. he should have been 100 percent for sure.

i understand why ripken is in the hall of fame, but i was never that impressed with him or his streak. but thats me.

still waiting on garvey

gl

Agree the most overratted record in the histiory of sports. Then he jogged around the stadium like a fool. I have heard this guy was one of the biggest pricks around. A freaking baseball player bragging about playing in a lot of games? gimme a freaking break. When were were growing up we played for ten hours a day seven days a week. these guys have trouble playing a day game after a night game :142smilie
 

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lame record?

lame record?

don't remember him tooting his horn or anything about it. don't you think it's something he played that long without injury? don't have his stats in front of me, but several mvp's, over 400 bombs, the guy had a great career. don't know if he was a prick or not but guy had a hell of a run. he was good for the game.

"Life consists not in holding good cards but in playing those you hold well." Josh Billings
 

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lame record?

lame record?

don't remember him tooting his horn or anything about it. don't you think it's something he played that long without injury? don't have his stats in front of me, but several mvp's, over 400 bombs, the guy had a great career. don't know if he was a prick or not but guy had a hell of a run.

"Life consists not in holding good cards but in playing those you hold well." Josh Billings
 

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don't remember him tooting his horn or anything about it. don't you think it's something he played that long without injury? don't have his stats in front of me, but several mvp's, over 400 bombs, the guy had a great career. don't know if he was a prick or not but guy had a hell of a run. he was good for the game.

"Life consists not in holding good cards but in playing those you hold well." Josh Billings

I think the hit Reggie Bush took Saturday night and still finished the game was more empressive than Ripkins record. Let me clarify something it was Ripken or his father which i heard was a nasty person to be around. Not sure which one it was. Don't you remember him jogging around the field when he set the record?
 

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ripken

ripken

i do think his dad was pretty rough around the edges. in a day when you have pricks like bonds it doesn't bother me a bit for him to jog around and shake hands. ripken had 3184 hits ,603 doubles,44 triples, 431 bombs, 1695 rbi, .276 lifetime average. was '82 rookie of the year, '83 al mvp, 91 mvp, '01 all star game mvp, won 2 gloves. not too shabby. 6'4, 225 lbs. i always thought the guy played the game and kept his mouth shut.
 

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i do think his dad was pretty rough around the edges. in a day when you have pricks like bonds it doesn't bother me a bit for him to jog around and shake hands. ripken had 3184 hits ,603 doubles,44 triples, 431 bombs, 1695 rbi, .276 lifetime average. was '82 rookie of the year, '83 al mvp, 91 mvp, '01 all star game mvp, won 2 gloves. not too shabby. 6'4, 225 lbs. i always thought the guy played the game and kept his mouth shut.

It might have been his dad but his dad coached and its hard for me to see a coach be a nasty guy. The guy i heard it from always has an agenda so maybe he met him one day and the father wouldn't give him an interview or something unless it was Cal. Not sure. Cal never did give any type of indication he was a problem. unlike the Martyr Bounds
 
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