Oil currency war?

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I had no idee Iraq sold oil in Euro until i read this today, seems many nations are ready too switch.


http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0301/S00151.htm
The Real But Unspoken Reasons For The Iraq War
Wednesday, 29 January 2003, 12:01 pm
Opinion: Guest Opinion

The Real but Unspoken Reasons for the Upcoming Iraq War

W. Clark ( wrc92@aol.com)
Sunday 26 Jan 2003
Source: http://www.indymedia.org/print.php3?article_id=231238

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Summary

Although completely suppressed in the U.S. media, the answer to the Iraq enigma is simple yet shocking - it an an oil CURRENCY war. The Real Reason for this upcoming war is this administration?s goal of preventing further OPEC momentum towards the euro as an oil transaction currency standard. However, in order to pre-empt OPEC, they need to gain geo-strategic control of Iraq along with its 2nd largest proven oil reserves. This lengthy essay will discuss the macroeconomics of the ?petro-dollar? and the unpublicized but real threat to U.S. economic hegemony from the euro as an alternative oil transaction currency.




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THE REAL REASONS FOR THE UPCOMING WAR IN IRAQ:

A Macroeconomic and Geostrategic Analysis of the Unspoken Truth
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be ... The People cannot be safe without information. When the press is free, and every man is able to read, all is safe."

Those words by Thomas Jefferson embody the unfortunate state of affairs that have beset our nation. As our government prepares to go to war with Iraq, our country seems unable to answer even the most basic questions about this war. First, why is there virtually no international support to topple Saddam? If Iraq?s WMD program truly possessed the threat level that President Bush has repeatedly purported, why is there no international coalition to militarily disarm Saddam? Secondly, despite over 300 unfettered U.N inspections to date, there has been no evidence reported of a reconstituted Iraqi WMD program. Third, and despite Bush?s rhetoric, the CIA has not found any links between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda. To the contrary, some analysts believe it is far more likely Al Qaeda might acquire an unsecured former Soviet Union Weapon(s) of Mass Destruction, or potentially from sympathizers within a destabilized Pakistan.

Moreover, immediately following Congress?s vote on the Iraq Resolution, we suddenly became aware of North Korea?s nuclear program violations. Kim Jong Il is processing uranium in order to produce nuclear weapons this year. President Bush has not provided a rationale answer as to why Saddam?s seemingly dormant WMD program possesses a more imminent threat that North Korea?s active program? Strangely, Donald Rumsfeld suggested that if Saddam were ?exiled? we could avoid an Iraq war? Confused yet? Well, I?m going to give their game away - the core driver for toppling Saddam is actually the euro currency, the Euro.

Although completely suppressed in the U.S. media, the answer to the Iraq enigma is simple yet shocking. The upcoming war in Iraq war is mostly about how the ruling class at Langley and the Bush oligarchy view hydrocarbons at the geo-strategic level, and the overarching macroeconomic threats to the U.S. dollar from the euro. The Real Reason for this upcoming war is this administration?s goal of preventing further OPEC momentum towards the euro as an oil transaction currency standard. However, in order to pre-empt OPEC, they need to gain geo-strategic control of Iraq along with its 2nd largest proven oil reserves.


This lengthy essay will discuss the macroeconomics of the ?petro-dollar? and the unpublicized but real threat to U.S. economic hegemony from the euro as an alternative oil transaction currency. The following is how an astute and anonymous friend alluded to the unspoken truth about this upcoming war with Iraq...

?The Federal Reserve's greatest nightmare is that OPEC will switch its international transactions from a dollar standard to a euro standard. Iraq actually made this switch in Nov. 2000 (when the euro was worth around 80 cents), and has actually made off like a bandit considering the dollar's steady depreciation against the euro.? (Note: the dollar declined 15% against the euro in 2002.)

?The real reason the Bush administration wants a puppet government in Iraq - or more importantly, the reason why the corporate-military-industrial network conglomerate wants a puppet government in Iraq - is so that it will revert back to a dollar standard and stay that way." (While also hoping to veto any wider OPEC momentum towards the euro, especially from Iran - the 2nd largest OPEC producer who is actively discussing a switch to euros for its oil exports).

Furthermore, despite Saudi Arabia being our ?client state,? the Saudi regime appears increasingly weak/ threatened from massive civil unrest. Some analysts believe a ?Saudi Revolution? might be plausible in the aftermath of an unpopular U.S. invasion of Iraq (ie. Iran circa 1979) (1). Undoubtedly, the Bush administration is acutely aware of these risks. Hence, the neo conservative framework entails a large and permanent military presence in the Persian Gulf region in a post Saddam era, just in case we need to surround and grab Saudi's oil fields in the event of a coup by an anti-western group. But first back to Iraq.

"Saddam sealed his fate when he decided to switch to the euro in late 2000 (and later converted his $10 billion reserve fund at the U.N. to euros) - at that point, another manufactured Gulf War become inevitable under Bush II. Only the most extreme circumstances could possibly stop that now and I strongly doubt anything can - short of Saddam getting replaced with a pliant regime."

Big Picture Perspective: Everything else aside from the reserve currency and the Saudi/Iran oil issues (i.e. domestic political issues and international criticism) is peripheral and of marginal consequence to this administration. Further, the dollar-euro threat is powerful enough that they'll rather risk much of the economic backlash in the short-term to stave off the long-term dollar crash of an OPEC transaction standard change from dollars to euros. All of this fits into the broader Great Game that encompasses Russia, India, China."

This information about Iraq?s oil currency is censored by the U.S. media as well as the Bush administration & Federal Reserve as the truth could potentially curtail both investor and consumer confidence, reduce consumer borrowing/ spending, create political pressure to form a new energy policy that slowly weans us off middle-eastern oil, and of course stop our march towards war in Iraq. This quasi ?state secret? can be found on a Radio Free Europe article discussing Saddam?s switch for his oil sales from dollars to the euros on Nov. 6, 2000 (2).


?Baghdad?s switch from the dollar to the euro for oil trading is intended to rebuke Washington?s hard-line on sanctions and encourage Europeans to challenge it. But the political message will cost Iraq millions in lost revenue. RFE/RL correspondent Charles Recknagel looks at what Baghdad will gain and lose, and the impact of the decision to go with the European currency.?
At the time of the switch many analysts were surprised that Saddam was willing to give up millions in oil revenue for what appeared to be a political statement. However, contrary to one of the main points of this November 2000 article, the steady depreciation of the dollar versus the euro since late 2001 means that Iraq has profited handsomely from the switch in their reserve and transaction currencies. The euro has gained roughly 17% against the dollar in that time, which also applies to the $10 billion in Iraq?s U.N. ?oil for food? reserve fund that was previously held in dollars has also gained that same percent value since the switch. What would happen if OPEC made a sudden switch to euros, as opposed to a gradual transition?

?Otherwise, the effect of an OPEC switch to the euro would be that oil-consuming nations would have to flush dollars out of their (central bank) reserve funds and replace these with euros. The dollar would crash anywhere from 20-40% in value and the consequences would be those one could expect from any currency collapse and massive inflation (think Argentina currency crisis, for example). You'd have foreign funds stream out of the U.S. stock markets and dollar denominated assets, there'd surely be a run on the banks much like the 1930s, the current account deficit would become unserviceable, the budget deficit would go into default, and so on. Your basic 3rd world economic crisis scenario.

The United States economy is intimately tied to the dollar's role as reserve currency. This doesn't mean that the U.S. couldn't function otherwise, but that the transition would have to be gradual to avoid such dislocations (and the ultimate result of this would probably be the U.S. and the E.U. switching roles in the global economy)."


In the aftermath of toppling Saddam it is clear the U.S. will keep a large and permanent military force in the Persian Gulf. Indeed, there is no ?exit strategy? in Iraq, as the military will be needed to protect the newly installed Iraqi regime, and perhaps send a message to other OPEC producers that they might receive ?regime change? if they too move to euros for their oil exports ?
 

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And since the U.S. Media is overwhelmingly leaning to the left, why would this be suppressed? Bush takes it on the chin daily (often for good reason). The U.S. media hardly treats him or any other president with kid gloves. So explain to me why this story would possibly be "suppressed?"
 

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as i said above, it was not known to me that Iraq used Euro as Oil currency and that Opec, venzuela may use it in the future, if this is comon knowledge in US already, in that case im sorry.

i thought it was intresting essay, dident pay much attention to if news in US is suppressed or not, i think that was not the point of the essay
 

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Iraq

Iraq

Iraq has many relations with European nations. I don't have the article, but thier best two relationships are with Gremany and France.

I wish I had the article , but it stated that arms and tech were also traded between these nations.

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i don't see problems with the almighty Eurodollar as a big threat to the United States. If their economy is so strong, why do they have to come to us for money? Why do many of the socialist countries pay 70% income tax? If allowed to drill for oil, we have more than enough there and in reserve to allow scientists time to develop alternative energy sources. But the big thing is this - if we developed alternated energy sources that made the use of oil unnecessary, whave effect would that have on the economies of most areas outside the United States? Does disaster sound about right?
 

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Freeze , your NOT a stupid person . "Somethings" going on yes ? To believe its simply about "liberating" the Iraqui people is ABSURD ! To believe its about making the world "safer" is ABSURD . The reasons why this MUST be done is telling in and of itself . Follow the money (and no i don't mean just the oil wells) . Be good dude , hope to play again in the Fantasy baseball league with ya :)
 

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How long to get new oil from new fields in Alaska. 6 to 7 years.
How long to get new oil from Iraq. 6 to 7 weeks?
One never knows the truth about your government. Well at least till they wish to tell you 20 to 50 years later.
So most all us are guessing some what. But you live long enough you fine out your guessing game can me real close to the truth.
 

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yeah well lets go get the oil out of that bastard's hands......not to hard to do......

the Euros always do this shit....every time we want to do anything they pull the same stunts.....amazing the liberals do not see it by now.....

Gulf War -- Iraqi's are seasoned fighters, just got done with long war in Iran.....Americans will come back in 10000 body bags.....

Bosnia -- same deal

Afghanistan -- Russians lost legions of men trying to fight the Afghanis in the mountains.....

point is, is we will go in there, kick ass, get the oil reserves secured, and the Euros will come begging to kiss our ass....happens every time with these cowards......

North Korea will also quiet down real quickly.....

other countries get all riled up and anti-American when they see all this bickering and peace dove hug everybody sentiment in America.....then they see us kick ass and will come back on their knees begging for us to defend the Berlin Wall, Eiffel Tower, or whatever we need to do for them again.....

and DJV, i don't need you to tell all of us how all us young Americans wouldn't sac up and go defend the country....that is a trash.....we all are descendants of fighters and war heroes and if the country called, we would be there in the trenches fighting like Bin Ladin and Hussein's worst nightmare could ever imagine......i find your condescending attitude towards all of us insulting myself and you seem to jump to conclusions about whether we are men or not.....you should know by now that every generation of Americans has been questioned this same way and every time we have been we have stepped up to the plate and kicked ass.....and now yourself is question our courage.....very dissappointed in you
 

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Doc your little of base. All I said at times it is very easy for SOME folks to say ya lets go get-em lets go fight. But they wont go acrosse the street to sineup. Not all but many.
Your statement if the country called. Why wait I didn't wait for the country to call. I was there before they had to ask. I question no ones courage. I say to anyone who really believes its time to take on Iraq, maybe N korea. Iran who could be as bad as Iraq. Nows a good time to show your support. Not only with words but action.
 
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Anybody else notice that it has become the trendy thing to do to call out Bush on his "war for oil?" All of a sudden Dave Matthews knows everything and writes up some BS about how this is for oil. Amazing to me that these people have said they want to kill every single American, and we're holding a million anti-war rallies and all the b-list celebs are sacking up and speaking out. They have illegal weapons of mass destruction and would be as giddy as a little schoolgirl to get the chance to unleash some of them on the US, but let's leave them alone until they actually do it - then it's on!:rolleyes:
 

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Well...

Well...

... the reason the Nazi Wermacht lost WWII is because they couldn't get enough crude oil from Serbia, because of the fact that they crushed a couple of Panzer Divisions, in fact thay were the only European nation to defeat an advancing Nazi army, and the fact that Iraqi, Iranian, and Adjerbaizhani oil also remained out of reach because US and English oil interests, such as Standard Oil of New Jersey, which has as a major shareholder the Prescott/ Bush family of Maine, and Exxon and Mobile as well as English comglomerates such as the Former Anglo-Iranian oil company (which would become British Ppetroleum,) were able to use the relationships they created after WWI to keep such keys cities such as Mosul out of Nazi hands. You should watch Lawrence of Arabia to see some of the things that happened then. Japan also lost WWII because they couldn't get enough oil reserves to create diesel fuel to power their navy, which at the beginning of WWII was larger than all of the rest of the worlds navies combined. The US had systematically shut them out of access to Asian oil, which was the reason they attacked Pearl Harbor, but that story has other threads too. At the end of WWII we took over most of Iraq, set up puppet dictatorships and watched the oil money flow to the US. Winston Churchhill, who was a bastard child, was so incensed that he sent a very stinging and abusive letter to Truman telling him that Great Britain was very upset about about being shut out of the oil they way they were. Remember, if Great Britain got into the war to protect Poland from agressive dictators, then in reality the Allies LOST WWII because not only did Poland end up a communist dictatorship, but much of Europe was under the influence of socialists in 1946. In 1954 there was a populist overthrow of the Iraqi regime, so massive was it and had so many repurcussions that the NEW YORK TIMES devoted ~~all of the first 8 pages~~ of that days newspaper to reports and insights about what the coup meant for America. Saddam is the leader of Ba'ath party which was propped up by the CIA to maintain American interests; he might or might not be an agent still, it's hard to tell. I have no problem with his going, even if it means war, because he is a dictator, and has killed and will continue to kill hundred of thousands of his own, including children, In fact Saddam has killed so mnay Iraqis, that now persond under age 15 represent more than half of it's population. France and Germany have been allowed to explore and subsequently drill for oil in Iraq as a gersture of goodwill from the Americans, and that is what they are protesting against, they think Euro-Asian oil is thiers and theirs alone. Also, the Arabs are poised to attack in wave after wave of terrorism against France and Germany, because those countries have high concentrations of Islamist extremists, and so they are trying to appease the Islamic terrorists living in Europe so they won't blow their buildings up. Also it was reported today that many European Union countries are voicing huge displeasure over the way Germany and France are trying to blackmail them into dong what they want, there apears to be a huge rift forming in Europe. Also, PLEASE BEGIN A BOYCOTT OF ALL GERMAN AND FRENCH IMPORTS. We have enough crap here in the States, why do we need to go to Europe and get more?
 

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Tenzing well done. One other note od some interest. there was no Kuwait till after either WW I or II cant remember right now. That little country was cut out from Iraq by the Brits who wanted that little pieace of the oil action just for them self.
Hitler in WW II one person once wrote only made one very big mistake. I mentioned this in another post. Had he took pver Poland and France and stopped there. It may still be that way today. but he started attacking England and Russia. That was the beginning of the end for him. Was amazing what that small country was able to do. Took one hell of a huge effort to defeat.
However many agree and I to do. Had we not been so busy with Japan half way around the world. All Our forces able to attack Germany. I think Germany would have fell faster.
 

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Tenzing - I would offer you "post of the year" if there was such an award. Great post...and oh so true!!!
 

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Any oil we could gain by "claiming" Iraq would be very short-lived. The Iraqui oil fields are a mess. Would take billions of dollars of investment and years to make it remotely beneficial. We get 5% max of our oil from them now. What were you guys thinking in 1998 when we bombed Iraq? Were we after the oil then? Or simply desirous of liberating the poor Iraquis? If so, why didn't we follow through. I don't say that oil doesn't play a part in this, but it is not the prime reason. We certainly have the military power to take over the entire Middle East if oil is our aim. For that matter, why don't we invade Canada, Mexico and venezuela? We get more oil from all of those than Iraq.
 

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Tenzing - a well thought out post with many interesting points. Muslims have been flocking to Europe in untold numbers - you are quite correct. the scenario with France and Germany is a provocative thought. I totally agree with your boycott of French and German goods. Doubt we have the balls to do it - but would certainly be something to see. Please contribute more often.
 

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Re: Well...

Re: Well...

Tenzing said:
... the reason the Nazi Wermacht lost WWII is because they couldn't get enough crude oil from Serbia, because of the fact that they crushed a couple of Panzer Divisions, in fact thay were the only European nation to defeat an advancing Nazi army,

6 April 1941 the Germans stormed into Yugoslavia in response to Italy?s plea for reinforcements, including 550,000 Axis troops from Germany, Romania, and Bulgaria. The plan was to cut off Slovenia and Croatia to the west and encircle the strongest pockets of resistance in Serbia, with Bulgaria's help from the east. Ambrosio's Italian 2nd Army would capture Ljubljana and move along the Dalmation coast, while the Italian 9th and 11th Armies would move up through Albania and capture Dubrovnik. From the north came the Hungarian 3rd Army and the German 2nd Army (under Weichs) while the German 12th Army (under List) and its panzer detatchments took Skopje from the east. With Croatia soon surrendering for a grant of independence and the rest of the military poorly organized, Yugoslavia?s weak forces buckled under the mighty Wehrmacht. By 12 April the swastika was flying over Belgrade after being blitzed by the XLI Motorized Corps, 1st Panzer Group (under Kleist) and XLVI Panzer Corps. They linked up with the Italians and pounded Serbia and Bosnia from all sides as enemy resistance crumbled. Sarajevo fell on 14 April, and 3 days later an armistice was signed.

The armistice became effective at 12:00 on 18 April 1941, twelve days after the initial German attack was launched.

The Invasion and Battle for Yugoslavia
 
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