Oil up 8 bucks today????

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I thought the Labor Day Weekend Driving bump was over??

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Oil rises more than $8 to new record high
Friday June 6, 1:41 pm ET
By Adam Schreck, AP Business Writer
Oil prices shoot past record above $137 a barrel on weak dollar and prediction of price spike


NEW YORK (AP) -- Oil prices shot up nearly $10 to a new record above $137 a barrel Friday after a Morgan Stanley analyst predicted prices could hit $150 by the Fourth of July. The meteoric surge builds on a huge gain the previous day and sets the stage for the biggest two-day gain in the history of the New York Mercantile Exchange.
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A further weakening of the dollar helped keep prices high by enticing overseas buyers armed with stronger currencies and other investors looking for a hedge against the greenback. Mounting tensions in the Middle East added fuel to the rally.

Light, sweet crude for July delivery jumped as high as $137.70 on the Nymex, before easing slightly to $136.45, up $8.66. Prices hit a previous record of $135.09 a barrel on May 22.

This latest surge follows a $5.49 gain Thursday, which was the biggest single-day price increase in the history of the Nymex crude contract.

Prices pushed sharply higher Friday after Morgan Stanley analyst Ole Slorer said he expected strong demand in Asia could drive prices to $150 by Independence Day, when millions of Americans are expected to take to the roads. Shipments from the Middle East are mimicking patterns seen in the third quarter last year, when Morgan Stanley based its "oil price spike" predictions on falling supplies in the Atlantic, he said.

"We made the same call using the same parameters, but now we are starting from much lower inventory levels," Slorer said.

Friday's surge builds on a $5.49 gain Thursday, which was the biggest single-day price increase in the history of the Nymex crude contract. That spike came as the dollar fell after the European Central Bank suggesting it could raise interest rates.

"We had a rally of something like $12 in about 24 hours. It makes no fundamental sense," said Stephen Schork, an analyst and trader in Villanova, Pa. "With oil pushing back up to the mid-$130s, it's the make it or break it point. If we go past that, we set the course for uncharted waters and head up toward $150."

Meanwhile, U.S. gas prices at the pump continued to hover just shy of an average $4 a gallon, easing only 0.3 cent from Thursday's record.

Drivers are now paying an average of $3.99 for a gallon of regular gas nationwide, according to AAA and the Oil Price Information Service; in many parts of the country, consumers are already paying well over $4. Retail diesel slipped a penny overnight to $4.76.

Pump prices are bound to rise even further if oil sustains its advance. James Cordier, president of Tampa, Fla.-based trading firm Liberty Trading Group, predicted prices could rise to $4.25 as early as the end of the month.

"Unfortunately, drivers cutting back isn't going to lower the price of gasoline any time soon," he said.

The dramatic reversal in what had been a weakening oil market began Thursday after ECB President Jean-Claude Trichet suggested the bank could raise interest rates and the euro climbed against the dollar. When interest rates rise in Europe, or fall in the U.S., the dollar tends to weaken against the euro.

Many traders buy commodities such as oil as a hedge against inflation when the dollar is falling, and a weaker dollar makes oil cheaper for investors dealing in other currencies. Analysts believe the dollar's protracted decline has been a major reason why oil prices have nearly doubled in the past year.

The euro strengthened further against the greenback Friday. A Labor Department report showing the U.S. unemployment rate jumped half a percentage point to 5.5 percent last month -- its biggest monthly increase since 1986 -- could drag the dollar even lower in the days ahead.

"Unemployment jumping as it did today will be in the market for a long time and will continue to pressure the U.S. dollar," Cordier said.

Growing tensions in the Middle East also helped prop up oil prices. Israel sent aircraft, tanks and ground troops into the Gaza Strip on Friday, and a Cabinet minister hoping to replace embattled Prime Minister Ehud Olmert was quoted as saying Israel will attack Iran if it doesn't abandon its nuclear program.

In other Nymex trading, heating oil futures rose 23.72 cents to $3.918 a gallon while gasoline prices rose 15.7 cents to $3.4915 a gallon. Natural gas futures rose 25 cents to $12.769 per 1,000 cubic feet.

In London, July Brent crude shot up $7.75 to $135.30 a barrel on the ICE Futures exchange.
 

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I'm sure many people will think that Big Oil or Bush had something to do with it but if you where in the markets trading you could see as soon as the unemployment announcement came out it happened. Nothing more, nothing less. The dollar is just giving a small retracement back from it's gains it's had, it will start gaining again and when it does the price of oil will come down. The question is how far it will retrace from it's last move.
 

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It should not be ignored, in my opinion, that the ongoing poor value of the dollar is a big reason the price of oil is so high, which affects all of us every day. With that fact being supported by everyone who talks about this, this administration should take specific responsibility for that, or should at least be held accountable for that. The people in positions that affect/establish interest rates and the value of the dollar are in place and named by the administration, and are acting on the ideals of it.

Of course, conservatives want to shrug it all off due to demand, while absolves them of direct responsibility. I hardly think demand shoots up this much on a daily basis, but to each their own, I suppose.

Another factor lies specifically with the behavior of the speculators and traders of the commodity, oil. We all know the administration and conservatives in general are adamently against any government oversight or regulations on the behavior of anyone...so these people in large part push these prices higher, without any monitoring or oversight. Maybe something sensible could be done to reign them in a little?

Or, we can just avoid these issues, and blame democrats, I guess. That's easier...
 

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The dollar is just giving a small retracement back from it's gains it's had, it will start gaining again and when it does the price of oil will come down. The question is how far it will retrace from it's last move.

I believe the dollar still has a long way to go before it hits bottom....

In the May 26 issue of Barron's, there is a piece about how the Fed is to blame for the price of oil being where it is.

here is the link to the article for anyone that might be interested in reading it...

http://online.barrons.com/article/SB121158271862818621.html?mod=Review
 
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It should not be ignored, in my opinion, that the ongoing poor value of the dollar is a big reason the price of oil is so high, which affects all of us every day. With that fact being supported by everyone who talks about this, this administration should take specific responsibility for that, or should at least be held accountable for that. The people in positions that affect/establish interest rates and the value of the dollar are in place and named by the administration, and are acting on the ideals of it.

Of course, conservatives want to shrug it all off due to demand, while absolves them of direct responsibility. I hardly think demand shoots up this much on a daily basis, but to each their own, I suppose.

Another factor lies specifically with the behavior of the speculators and traders of the commodity, oil. We all know the administration and conservatives in general are adamently against any government oversight or regulations on the behavior of anyone...so these people in large part push these prices higher, without any monitoring or oversight. Maybe something sensible could be done to reign them in a little?

Or, we can just avoid these issues, and blame democrats, I guess. That's easier...

I'm not sure if you believe it's just this admin or not but even if they did have regulations over futures trading, it wouldn't do anything to stop people from going long on oil. That's like saying that they stopped people from buying yahoo stock or microsoft when it was shooting up higher.

If we really want to get into all of this we can disucsss what this admin has done to help our economy not totally tank. Yes some of it has hurt the value of our dollar but at least our real estate market isn't totally busted. At some point everyone knew we would have to pay the piper for the sub prime, interest only and arm loans. It's all a big cycle and basically we have to pick our poison.
 

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I'm not sure if you believe it's just this admin or not but even if they did have regulations over futures trading, it wouldn't do anything to stop people from going long on oil. That's like saying that they stopped people from buying yahoo stock or microsoft when it was shooting up higher.

If we really want to get into all of this we can disucsss what this admin has done to help our economy not totally tank. Yes some of it has hurt the value of our dollar but at least our real estate market isn't totally busted. At some point everyone knew we would have to pay the piper for the sub prime, interest only and arm loans. It's all a big cycle and basically we have to pick our poison.


Stop making sense Layinwood. Don't you know within a year of our next Democratic Presidents swearing in prices will be down to $2 a gallon.
 

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Stop making sense Layinwood. Don't you know within a year of our next Democratic Presidents swearing in prices will be down to $2 a gallon.

I don't think anyone expects this. But a Democrat administration will probably work more on alternatives - something we obviously should have been doing for a while now.
 

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administration should take specific responsibility

:142smilie :142smilie :142smilie

no, really. "take responsibility" too funny. i dont think you grasp the spirit of the times. responsibility is out, and brazen lying is in!

CHUTZPAH UBER ALLES!
 

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It should not be ignored, in my opinion, that the ongoing poor value of the dollar is a big reason the price of oil is so high, which affects all of us every day. With that fact being supported by everyone who talks about this, this administration should take specific responsibility for that, or should at least be held accountable for that. The people in positions that affect/establish interest rates and the value of the dollar are in place and named by the administration, and are acting on the ideals of it.

Of course, conservatives want to shrug it all off due to demand, while absolves them of direct responsibility. I hardly think demand shoots up this much on a daily basis, but to each their own, I suppose.

Another factor lies specifically with the behavior of the speculators and traders of the commodity, oil. We all know the administration and conservatives in general are adamently against any government oversight or regulations on the behavior of anyone...so these people in large part push these prices higher, without any monitoring or oversight. Maybe something sensible could be done to reign them in a little?

Or, we can just avoid these issues, and blame democrats, I guess. That's easier...

I see its conservatives fault gas is high--

Wasn't the big promise of Dems in 06 if they won the house they assured us $60 oil was over--they were right
what about employment --wrong again
what about the gdp wrong gain
lower inflation-wrong again


Is there any economic indicator that hasn't regressed since they took over house--and the deficeit--every time we've had vote on war they slip a few billion or so in additional spending.

My fav promise other (next to jefferson and ethics reform) is their pet project earmarks.

Promise: ?Breaking with many Democrats, Ms. Pelosi also spoke out against earmarking billions of dollars for home-state projects, a practice she calls a ?monster? that hurts Congress. ?I?d get rid of all of them,? she says. ?None of them is worth the skepticism, the cynicism the public has . . . and the fiscal irresponsibility of it.?? ? ?Pelosi Promises Fiscal Restraint If Democrats Win,? Wall Street Journal, July 13, 2006

Broken Promise: ?Ranking Democrats vowed in December to put a moratorium on earmarks; instead, a record number infect legislation pending in Congress, with 32,000 requests this year, compared with about 13,000 in 2006 ?. Ideally, congressional Democrats would keep their pledge to ban earmarks altogether.? ? ?Earmark Chicanery,? Press-Enterprise (Riverside, CA) Editorial, June 20, 2007

by the way earmaks for Obama
From NBC's Carly Zakin
We've counted up the earmark requests on Obama's Web site, and they add up to 113 requests totaling $494,266,475.

McCain
John McCain: "one of five senators to reject earmarks entirely, part of his long-standing view that such measures prompt needless spending."

Hmm which one is touting "change"

So which Dem wants to step out and show just one area that hasn't went downhill since November of 06

What happened to these promises--and why has media never brought this point up??

Ok Dems step up with areas improvements in state of the union since november 06.
 

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I see its conservatives fault gas is high--

Wasn't the big promise of Dems in 06 if they won the house they assured us $60 oil was over--they were right
what about employment --wrong again
what about the gdp wrong gain
lower inflation-wrong again


Is there any economic indicator that hasn't regressed since they took over house--and the deficeit--every time we've had vote on war they slip a few billion or so in additional spending.

My fav promise other (next to jefferson and ethics reform) is their pet project earmarks.

Promise: ?Breaking with many Democrats, Ms. Pelosi also spoke out against earmarking billions of dollars for home-state projects, a practice she calls a ?monster? that hurts Congress. ?I?d get rid of all of them,? she says. ?None of them is worth the skepticism, the cynicism the public has . . . and the fiscal irresponsibility of it.?? ? ?Pelosi Promises Fiscal Restraint If Democrats Win,? Wall Street Journal, July 13, 2006

Broken Promise: ?Ranking Democrats vowed in December to put a moratorium on earmarks; instead, a record number infect legislation pending in Congress, with 32,000 requests this year, compared with about 13,000 in 2006 ?. Ideally, congressional Democrats would keep their pledge to ban earmarks altogether.? ? ?Earmark Chicanery,? Press-Enterprise (Riverside, CA) Editorial, June 20, 2007

by the way earmaks for Obama
From NBC's Carly Zakin
We've counted up the earmark requests on Obama's Web site, and they add up to 113 requests totaling $494,266,475.

McCain
John McCain: "one of five senators to reject earmarks entirely, part of his long-standing view that such measures prompt needless spending."

Hmm which one is touting "change"

So which Dem wants to step out and show just one area that hasn't went downhill since November of 06

What happened to these promises--and why has media never brought this point up??

Ok Dems step up with areas improvements in state of the union since november 06.

You do make some sense this time Dogs. Is there anybody here who isn't completly disgusted by Pelosi and the ZDems. They have bent over backwards to give Bush everything he has asked for. Time she gets out if you ask me. Of course we are feeling the effects of the SIX long years the Republicans had control of everything but I wouldn't expect too many here to agree with that. Fact is that the Dems have olled over like sick puppies and it is a disgrace.
 

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Chavez offered bush to flood the market with oil and level it off at 50 bucks but Bush told him to take a hike. seriously you guys really need to take your head out of your asses if you don't think Bush and Cheney are ecstatic and responsible that these prices are this high. Absolutely amazing. I even showed you guys emails that got out that the administration never wanted to be seen but you guys are still in denial. That is why they are so high because when you believe the garbage they let out, on why the prices are so high, then maybe they should be. These are oil guys in office got that? Oil guys for goodness sakes. All their lives they have been oil guys!!!
 

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Sponge you are the best .I come to this forum to pick up info thats not out there. I'm not DEM and damn sure not REP. When will the people stand up for whats right and wrong.The government is bought and paid for.The real power is in a certain group or groups of people,such has the fed,central banks,world bank with the bilderburg group calling the shots. Am I close to REALILITY or could I be so wrong. I think that we have passed the point of no return I'm for inpeachment,lock em up and take their wealth away I'm even for public hangings. Both parties plenty of crooks on both sides
 

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Donny read this. You can hear about this on the BBC but good luck hearing it from our corporate bought press. Hell even Mcnumnuts slipped and said the fake war was all about oil



Palast: A lot of intelligent folk believe Bush had a secret plan to grab the oil fields of Iraq before the tanks rolled. That's wrong. He had TWO plans. In Armed Madhouse, I show you both -- the result of two years undercover for BBC. The plans conflict. There's the neo-con plan: Privatize -- that is, sell off -- everything, "especially the oil" industry. That's a quote from the 101-page document which I learned was written by the neo-cons. That didn't happen -- because a Jim Baker team -- he's the lawyer for both Exxon and Saudi Arabia -- secretly wrote a 323-page plan that called for CONTROLLING the oil flow, not owning it. The purpose was to LIMIT the supply of oil from Iraq and keep prices high. This would, "enhance [Iraq's] relationship with OPEC" -- the oil cartel. That's a quote from the document you're not supposed to see.
 

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Do you have a source on this? That would have been a proposterous promise for them to make.

I've got several quotes from your leaders in 05 and 06 I will provide for you Smurph--after you point out to forum just one ecomomic indicator below that hasn't regressed since Dems took over in 06.
CCI Consumer Confidence Index
Consumer Credit Report
Consumer Price Index (CPI)
Durable Goods Report
Employee Cost Index (ECI)
Employment
Factory Orders Report
Gross Domestic Product (GDP)
Industrial Production
Non-Manufacturing Report
Producer Price Index (PPI)
Productivity Report
Purchasing Managers Index (PMI)
Retail Sales Report
Wholesale Trade Report

WOW They are batting a big fat "0"
--only thing to improve has been situation in Iraq and that is because all their plans have been vetoed.

Pretty scathing report and results isn't it--quite similiar in reverse to what the liberal media/blogs has been pounding in the publics head.

Truth of the matter for most items- Dems are no more responsible for down turn than GOP or visa versa.

Ecomomy goes in cycles--they came in at time when economy was firing. other than taxes or gov intrusion into free enterprise--really not many things either party can influence.

Per topic of oil--there is global increase in energy right now--same everywhere as here in countries that import big portion of their oil as we do.
So if one is to believe our oil companies are corrupt would they not have to assume all oil companies are?

Went through similiar fiasco on embargo's in the
80's--given time expect this one to subside as before--and would expect more to come in future.
 

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I don't think anyone expects this. But a Democrat administration will probably work more on alternatives - something we obviously should have been doing for a while now.


I don't understand how bright people like yourself do not not see the light when it comes to energy policy. Big environment has to understand that occasionally you need to give a little ground in order to pave the way for progress.

We need to start drilling domestically, we need to build refineries, we need to work on coal to liquids program (we are the Saudi Arabia of coal by the way) , we need to advance our nuclear energy program and we need to step on the throat of automakers for more fuel economy. Right now Big Environment will not allow drilling ANWAR or coastal Florida, nor will they allow building refineries, nor will they allow Yucca Mountain in nevada to be converted into the world's largest nuclear waste facility. Where will it end? Does big environment want to preserve polar bears to the detriment of american citizens? No! The reality is BIG ENVIRONMENT doesn't want to give an inch because they are just as much of a bunch crooks as our current political machine ----- both republican and democrat. They could care less about improving the environment, they are in it for $$$$ just like everyone else .

If we get started now, then in 10 years we will depend less on oil(foreign or domestic), much greater % of our electricity will come from nuclear and "clean" liquid coal burning plants, the world will revere us for the 1st time in my generation for taking a leadership position on the pending energy crisis, our economy should be in high gear with the growth of these indutries. Environmentally, we will be better off at that point, but again, no one seems to care:shrug:
 

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Stevie you mean Memorial day. Labor day is 9 months after mens day.

Sponge, you are right. Memorial Day. I knew I was putting flowers on graves for a reason.

The debt we have built up during this insane Iraq occupation has cause the deficit, which has caused the dollar to fall, which along with deregulation has allowed the oil market to be manipulated. I think you have to look at who benefits from high oil prices to see who is responsible.
 
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