ok st./missouri opinions wanted...
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Been looking at this game myself but my main concern is that Okie State is pretty much a one dimensional team possibly even more so than Texas. While Mizzou's defense has been far from dominating the one thing they have done well most of the year is stop the run. I think that there will be some more movement on this line so I am ging to wait to see which way it goes!
I feel Mizzou makes a big statement this game and whoops them...that defense is very underrated and has been pretty much the backbone of that team surprisingly this year, but at the same time they still have the dangerous Brad Smith who you know will get the ball in the endzone somehow....it's homecoming as well! Big win for the Tigers here I feel!
Got this from other site...
Strongest mismatch.
Missouri -3.5 against Okie St.
Some stats:
Okie has never swept its non-divisional games and overall is 9-15 against the North division
Missouri has won 9 straight at home.
Missouri has won the last four games against Okie St.
Okie St Passing offense 110th....one dimensional vs a defense that is 8th in the country.
Offenses are equal. Missouri's defense plus the home field advantage will be the difference in the game.
Strongest mismatch.
Missouri -3.5 against Okie St.
Some stats:
Okie has never swept its non-divisional games and overall is 9-15 against the North division
Missouri has won 9 straight at home.
Missouri has won the last four games against Okie St.
Okie St Passing offense 110th....one dimensional vs a defense that is 8th in the country.
Offenses are equal. Missouri's defense plus the home field advantage will be the difference in the game.
While this stat may have some meaning to you, I feel it awfully misleading for this reason alone.
Historically, the Big 12 North has had several great teams in the division. Many of those past non-divisional losses were handed to OSU by those once-solid North programs. Nebraska, K-State, and even Colorado were usually the torch holders of the North. Now take a look at how far those programs have fallen this year and you have the reason why the stat above means absolutely nothing to me.
While I am certainly not the only one to point this out, the North is glaringly weaker than the South this year. I mean, not even close. That is the only reason that Missouri is a favorite to win their division. Almost as if by default. Go back in history all you want and you will never, ever find a weaker bunch of teams in the Big 12 North division. If there was ever a year for the Cowboys to sweep their non-Division games and have it be no surprise, this is the year.
Certainly not trying to talk anyone out of taking Missouri here. But in a game with such a short spread fitting an upper-tier Big 12 North squad vs. an upper-tier Big 12 South squad, I would find it very difficult siding with the weaker North division foe, regardless of where the game is being played.
Also, I've never been one to ever factor in Homecoming into my handicapping. The thought that a team "can't lose" on this occasion or will somehow elevate their play because more Alumni butts are filling the stadium seats has always seemed a little preposterous to me.
I prefer to stick to the fundamental match-ups when 'capping. And for mine, I feel that OSU holds the advantage against Mizzou in almost every measurable category, outside of the QB position. The Cowboys will be able to establish the run against the Tigers, something they did not get done against a very big and talented A&M D-line. That is the one key that makes this Cowboy offense go. Defensively, I think they can also hold down Smith and Co., who I still believe is very talented, but majorly overhyped. We shall see, but I really feel that Oklahoma State will bounce back here on the road. IMO, they are the team with the better overall talent and coaching.
Just my two cents.
-JC
J Cover
you made some good points however I disagree a little bit; the one factor that Missouri has a huge advantage is qb and that is a huge advantage; he controls the entire game and you saw what happened last week when osu got down early the game was over and that game was at home; another factor is OSU just lost their leadiing sack leader Nathan Peterson for the year with a torn acl; the other dlineman combine for 2 sacks that combined with loss of Darrient Williams their best defensive player and that is a huge loss; I see Missouri with a huge advantage with Missouri on offense versus OSU defense; on the other side of the ball; Missouri pass defense is their strength so expect them to just load the box and make donavan wood beat them; we all know defenses play better especially against the run at home with the crowd behind them; you know OSU has no faith in the pass when they are running the ball on 3rd and long; this game will not be a blowout by any means but I expect Missouri to cover the number. Good luck on your plays
you made some good points however I disagree a little bit; the one factor that Missouri has a huge advantage is qb and that is a huge advantage; he controls the entire game and you saw what happened last week when osu got down early the game was over and that game was at home; another factor is OSU just lost their leadiing sack leader Nathan Peterson for the year with a torn acl; the other dlineman combine for 2 sacks that combined with loss of Darrient Williams their best defensive player and that is a huge loss; I see Missouri with a huge advantage with Missouri on offense versus OSU defense; on the other side of the ball; Missouri pass defense is their strength so expect them to just load the box and make donavan wood beat them; we all know defenses play better especially against the run at home with the crowd behind them; you know OSU has no faith in the pass when they are running the ball on 3rd and long; this game will not be a blowout by any means but I expect Missouri to cover the number. Good luck on your plays
bbk,
Thanks for you thoughts. You also bring up some good points. I realize the Nathan Peterson injury will certainly hurt OSU, but I personally feel there are some very capable backups. While Peterson was certainly coming into his own, he was only a Freshman and I find it hard to believe that an injury to a Frosh D-lineman can gut a team's defense. Was the cupboard really that bare to begin with?
I do agree wholeheartedly that Darrent Williams injury has had a major impact. The DB crew certainly has missed his presence, not only on defense but on special teams. He was one hell of a punt return threat! That being said, that specific injury is something this team has been dealing with for several weeks. It's not like the D. Williams injury happened just last week. While Williams can't be replaced, the young guys that have filled in are getting better and better at adjusting to their new roles with each game. Bottomline for me: OSU's defense will do enough to keep the Tigers and Pinkel's offense from establishing a rhythm one way or another. Maybe even a few more timely turnovers that this OSU D has created throughout the year will help?
Maybe I am underrating the Tiger's on offense, but from what I have seen they inexplicably struggle to stay in sync for good stretches in a ball game. I still don't think Brad Smith is any more than a running QB. I have yet to see him provide convincing evidence of being a consistent passing threat. I also hold firm in the fact that I feel OSU will have little problem lining up against this Mizzou D-line and making big holes for Morency to run through. That really loosens things up and makes things flow for the Cowboys offense.
Though it looks like we certainly disagree here, I think we both can agree on what will turn this game one way or the other. If Mizzou can hold OSU's rushing attack in check, move the ball effectively against OSU, and get out to an early lead, then yes Missouri will likely win the game. I just don't see that happening on Saturday. Miles and the rest of the Cowboy coaching staff will have this team ready for another road win!
Good Luck to All,
-JC
Thanks for you thoughts. You also bring up some good points. I realize the Nathan Peterson injury will certainly hurt OSU, but I personally feel there are some very capable backups. While Peterson was certainly coming into his own, he was only a Freshman and I find it hard to believe that an injury to a Frosh D-lineman can gut a team's defense. Was the cupboard really that bare to begin with?
I do agree wholeheartedly that Darrent Williams injury has had a major impact. The DB crew certainly has missed his presence, not only on defense but on special teams. He was one hell of a punt return threat! That being said, that specific injury is something this team has been dealing with for several weeks. It's not like the D. Williams injury happened just last week. While Williams can't be replaced, the young guys that have filled in are getting better and better at adjusting to their new roles with each game. Bottomline for me: OSU's defense will do enough to keep the Tigers and Pinkel's offense from establishing a rhythm one way or another. Maybe even a few more timely turnovers that this OSU D has created throughout the year will help?
Maybe I am underrating the Tiger's on offense, but from what I have seen they inexplicably struggle to stay in sync for good stretches in a ball game. I still don't think Brad Smith is any more than a running QB. I have yet to see him provide convincing evidence of being a consistent passing threat. I also hold firm in the fact that I feel OSU will have little problem lining up against this Mizzou D-line and making big holes for Morency to run through. That really loosens things up and makes things flow for the Cowboys offense.
Though it looks like we certainly disagree here, I think we both can agree on what will turn this game one way or the other. If Mizzou can hold OSU's rushing attack in check, move the ball effectively against OSU, and get out to an early lead, then yes Missouri will likely win the game. I just don't see that happening on Saturday. Miles and the rest of the Cowboy coaching staff will have this team ready for another road win!
Good Luck to All,
-JC
I am playing OKSt + and the ML. Not sold at all on Mizzou. I think they have some talent, but lack discipline and really don't feel they have what it takes to win close games against solid competition. IMO there is no shame in losing to A&M who I would rate as one of the best ten teams in the country right now.
The key will be IF OSU gets an early lead; Missou moved the ball very very effectively against a very good Texas defense that in my opinion is much better than OSU defense and when you minus Peterson who although was a fresh was the leading sack leader and the only one really getting to the opposing qb and minus D Williams which you saw last week what bad passing qbs can do to osu secondary without him; THEY GOT LIT UP; I believe Missou will score around 31-38 points in this game so it will come down to do you believe OSU can put up 5 td's in this game if the answer is no then Missouri is the play; Good luck either way
IMO, Reggie McNeal is a far better passer now, than Brad Smith will ever be. Also, I think A&M has a much better receiving corps than Mizzou. What McNeal and Co. were able to do to OSU's pass defense is one thing in and of itself. To expect Brad Smith and this Missouri offense to do the same is more than a bit of a stretch.
-JC
-JC
I agree Smith is not much of a passer but he is playing at home versus on the road and as far as mismatch look at the size of Missou wr compared to OSU d back; that is a huge advantage to Missouri now whether Smith gets them the ball is the big question
Yeah, Coffey will be a mismatch for any of OSU's defensive backs. I will give you that. I just don't trust Brad Smith to be able to exploit it.
The more I look into this game, the more I cannot ignore this whole North vs. South disparity. Through nine games this year where a South team faced a foe from the North, the South team has won 8 of 9. The combined scores are the following: South-341 and North-194 :scared .
Those numbers are pretty gawdy on their own with the South winning by an average of 16 points per game. But, now consider that 59 of those total points on the North side came from Nebraska last week as they rolled over lowly Baylor, who BTW should be in a division of their own. Throw that game out and the numbers look even worse for the North division!
Now for those of you who really feel that OSU is a fraud, then OK go ahead and bet Missouri. I, for one, do not think that getting beat by A&M last week exposed anything other than the fact that A&M is playing as well as anyone in the Big 12 right now. For as bad as the Aggies looked in their opener against Utah, this team has really made unbelievable strides. Though it took awhile, I believe that Franchione and this program have officially turned the corner.
OSU will get back on track here, they are not a flash in the pan. They have solid coaching and a bevy of young talented athletes that are learning what it takes to win big ball games. Let's not forget that the Cowboys already have a couple of nice road wins under their belts (@UCLA and @Colorado).
The other thing that would not allow me to bet on Missouri this week is the fact that in the last few years, they really have had trouble when playing decent-to-above average teams. I think OSU can certainly be grouped into that calibre of an opponent.
Recent examples:
Last year against three very good opponents (Kansas State, OU, and Arkansas), MU lost all three by DD and failed to score more than 14 points in those games.
This year they have been able to blow out the likes of Arkansas State, Ball State, and Baylor, but against the two decent teams, prior to playing Texas last week, they lost at Troy State and narrowly avoided getting beat on their home field vs. Colorado. In both those games their offense struggled, scoring 14 and 17 points, respectively.
So the Tigers go into Austin last week and many feel that they proved something by hanging around with the Longhorns. Based on the final score it did look as though they hung around. Fact is that the Tigers were once again being held to under 14 points until Mizzou scored on their final drive of the game (garbage time), a drive in which they had to make two 4th down conversions in order to get the TD.
To me, this version of the Missouri Tigers have yet to prove that they can step up and play with good competition. They also continue to show that against the better teams they face, their offense struggles mightily to score. Even with OSU's D a little nicked up and mentally bruised from the last game, I just don't see Missouri scoring in bunches here.
I guess it all boils down to whether or not you think OSU is considered a decent team. I, personally, think they are an upper-tier team in the Big 12 that is on the rise. In that regard, I am compelled to bet against Missouri in another "step-up" situation, until they prove to me that they can get it done against quality competition.
I will say nothing more about this game. I really can't say anything more. I've laid it all out there on the table. I really like OSU here for all the reasons I have previously mentioned in this long thread. Of course, nobody has a crystal ball....I could be dead wrong about this game, but it's just the way I see this one.
Good Luck to All,
-JC
The more I look into this game, the more I cannot ignore this whole North vs. South disparity. Through nine games this year where a South team faced a foe from the North, the South team has won 8 of 9. The combined scores are the following: South-341 and North-194 :scared .
Those numbers are pretty gawdy on their own with the South winning by an average of 16 points per game. But, now consider that 59 of those total points on the North side came from Nebraska last week as they rolled over lowly Baylor, who BTW should be in a division of their own. Throw that game out and the numbers look even worse for the North division!
Now for those of you who really feel that OSU is a fraud, then OK go ahead and bet Missouri. I, for one, do not think that getting beat by A&M last week exposed anything other than the fact that A&M is playing as well as anyone in the Big 12 right now. For as bad as the Aggies looked in their opener against Utah, this team has really made unbelievable strides. Though it took awhile, I believe that Franchione and this program have officially turned the corner.
OSU will get back on track here, they are not a flash in the pan. They have solid coaching and a bevy of young talented athletes that are learning what it takes to win big ball games. Let's not forget that the Cowboys already have a couple of nice road wins under their belts (@UCLA and @Colorado).
The other thing that would not allow me to bet on Missouri this week is the fact that in the last few years, they really have had trouble when playing decent-to-above average teams. I think OSU can certainly be grouped into that calibre of an opponent.
Recent examples:
Last year against three very good opponents (Kansas State, OU, and Arkansas), MU lost all three by DD and failed to score more than 14 points in those games.
This year they have been able to blow out the likes of Arkansas State, Ball State, and Baylor, but against the two decent teams, prior to playing Texas last week, they lost at Troy State and narrowly avoided getting beat on their home field vs. Colorado. In both those games their offense struggled, scoring 14 and 17 points, respectively.
So the Tigers go into Austin last week and many feel that they proved something by hanging around with the Longhorns. Based on the final score it did look as though they hung around. Fact is that the Tigers were once again being held to under 14 points until Mizzou scored on their final drive of the game (garbage time), a drive in which they had to make two 4th down conversions in order to get the TD.
To me, this version of the Missouri Tigers have yet to prove that they can step up and play with good competition. They also continue to show that against the better teams they face, their offense struggles mightily to score. Even with OSU's D a little nicked up and mentally bruised from the last game, I just don't see Missouri scoring in bunches here.
I guess it all boils down to whether or not you think OSU is considered a decent team. I, personally, think they are an upper-tier team in the Big 12 that is on the rise. In that regard, I am compelled to bet against Missouri in another "step-up" situation, until they prove to me that they can get it done against quality competition.
I will say nothing more about this game. I really can't say anything more. I've laid it all out there on the table. I really like OSU here for all the reasons I have previously mentioned in this long thread. Of course, nobody has a crystal ball....I could be dead wrong about this game, but it's just the way I see this one.
Good Luck to All,
-JC
You may be right; I will play missouri but it is not a big play for me; i agree with alot of what you are saying i just believe missouri will score at least 28-35 points and dont know if osu can keep up with them. However I do believe it will be a close game something like 35-28
Good luck
Good luck
jcovers...very well said...i tried to state the disparity in opposition between these 2 here and on another site....and was pretty much overwhelmed by missouri sentiment....
the one dimensional aspect of okie st is a major concern...their young qb could turn out to be a liability on the big 12 road vs a club that will most certainly stack the box against them.......
but i,like yourself,after looking this up and down,thought that okie st+4(-120),was the way to go....
we could be wrong...many more see missou as the play....
wish i could watch this one.....
g.l.
the one dimensional aspect of okie st is a major concern...their young qb could turn out to be a liability on the big 12 road vs a club that will most certainly stack the box against them.......
but i,like yourself,after looking this up and down,thought that okie st+4(-120),was the way to go....
we could be wrong...many more see missou as the play....
wish i could watch this one.....
g.l.
if people are not sure what side to take,they should stay away from the game.there are so many other games to choose.
good luck whatever you decide.
good luck whatever you decide.
gardenweasel,
I'm glad to see someone else agrees with me and CWood. One thing I can guarantee you is that if Mizzou stacks the box on OSU it will not be the first time they have seen a team do that. Every defense knows that OSU's modus operandi is to establish the run first. They all make it an emphasis to stop the attack. Fact is....only one out of 6 teams has been able to successfully stall it. Missouri might prove to be up to the task, but I have my doubts.
To date, Woods has not been a liability on the road, oddly enough for a R-Frosh QB, he does not tend to make mistakes and has a calm demeanor about him. I think he can be counted on once again to play maturely and in control. He is not the type that will dazzle you with his play, but he gets the job done.
And as for all the Missouri backers....I would actually be more worried if OSU was the popular side this week. I have never shyed away from being on the contrarian side and I'm not about to start now.
Good Luck To All,
-JC
I'm glad to see someone else agrees with me and CWood. One thing I can guarantee you is that if Mizzou stacks the box on OSU it will not be the first time they have seen a team do that. Every defense knows that OSU's modus operandi is to establish the run first. They all make it an emphasis to stop the attack. Fact is....only one out of 6 teams has been able to successfully stall it. Missouri might prove to be up to the task, but I have my doubts.
To date, Woods has not been a liability on the road, oddly enough for a R-Frosh QB, he does not tend to make mistakes and has a calm demeanor about him. I think he can be counted on once again to play maturely and in control. He is not the type that will dazzle you with his play, but he gets the job done.
And as for all the Missouri backers....I would actually be more worried if OSU was the popular side this week. I have never shyed away from being on the contrarian side and I'm not about to start now.
Good Luck To All,
-JC
appreciate the opinions and will pass on this game but still thinlk osu is by far the better team.
we shall see..
and hawkeye i think missouri is a fraud and underachieving joke...
for newsmatter only. aaaaaaaahhhhhh.
go jets. :banghead:
we shall see..
and hawkeye i think missouri is a fraud and underachieving joke...
for newsmatter only. aaaaaaaahhhhhh.
go jets. :banghead:
