going to meet my girl for dinner in Boston, had just finished night time play and hit the interstate, got a call from my girl asking me to pick up her gf, who is also beautiful, sure no problem... her gf calls me and on the cell asking me what to wear to the restaurant so were joking on the phone and I like aFKN moron blow by a state cop. Pulls me over, comments about the car, clothes etc. asks me what was the rush etc. respectfully tell him I was an idiot, straight up no attitude or ass klissing, he gives me field test, pass, I had just left my house, he leans in takes the keys from my car, tells me i won't be making dinner, because problem w/ my license, won't tell me what it is, writes me up for 95 in a 65 and TOWS the car and cites for criminal operating without a license. The kicker is I have Maine driver slicense no infractions and they are not connected to Maine computer base yet. As he is leaving he tells me I have had 15 speeding tickets and several failure to stop and 1 chase on a Ma. License, I tell him not so and I a sk him for print out or to show me on the screen, tells me no time to do it, takes off. Luckily tow driver took me to his shop, caught him just as he was about to pull off. bottom line is my stupiditygot the ticket, the guy was an Ass for towing the car and not producing or at least showing me what he was talking about, left 1 beautiful girl at home waiting for ride, my girl at dinner and watched some hoop at local chinese joint, highly over dressed, and pissed off devouring terryaki and lo mein like rosie the day they shut her cameras off, LOL No idea what this cluster is gonna costme, hopefully not as much as pepp. did tonight. :shrug:
One of those nights...
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were you really going that fast? if not did you ask him to show you the radar device? do you know if its laser or normal radar? was he stationary or moving?
I know a way to defeat the system, have done it many times here in Toronto...once got off a ticket that was a 149km/h in a 100km/h zone...not sure if teh laws work the same in your state, but ask jack for my email and we shall discuss...
Hope all goes well bud..
I know a way to defeat the system, have done it many times here in Toronto...once got off a ticket that was a 149km/h in a 100km/h zone...not sure if teh laws work the same in your state, but ask jack for my email and we shall discuss...
Hope all goes well bud..
ttm$, it's great you've had some personal success with a gimmick defense to a speeding ticket, but you should be careful encouraging others to use such defenses while representing themselves in local traffic courts. that is a recipe for disaster. i have had occasion to see this attempted in a lot of different venues, and some of the results i have seen are not pretty. in small rural areas where they depend on the revenue from traffic tickets, you're likely to get a lobotomized stare from the judge along with a result that could leave you without a driving privilege for some time. or worse yet, walk into some urban court with about 800 such cases on the day's calender and pull out some elaborate technical defense to a high speed ticket and you might get a chance to meet bubba and the boys in the county lockdown. don't get me wrong, there are lots of technical issues with radar speed measurement and there is a time and a place to use them, and other times and places to use other techniques to achieve desirable results, the bottom line is - anyone with a high-speed ticket where the consequences can run from serious loss of license to high fines to jail doesn't need to be going into court representing themselves while spouting some technical defense that neither they nor the judge will understand and/or give a rat's ass about. the bottom line is the person who represents himself in such a situation truly has a fool for a client. get a lawyer, it's that simple.
raz, really, talk to a local lawyer who practices daily in the court where you have to appear. you have some really great equitable issues working for you by virtue of the police officer's error about your license and the resulting hardship. a savvy attorney will know how to use those facts to your benefit. get some local referrals and suck it up and pay for representation; it'll be worth it in the long run.
raz, really, talk to a local lawyer who practices daily in the court where you have to appear. you have some really great equitable issues working for you by virtue of the police officer's error about your license and the resulting hardship. a savvy attorney will know how to use those facts to your benefit. get some local referrals and suck it up and pay for representation; it'll be worth it in the long run.
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Raz, listen to Loophole. Get a good attorney and don't be afraid to spend some extra cash for his services. Its not what you know, its who you know, and you need to find "who."
My father and I have a small company and one of our "primary" employees got a "refusal to take a breathalyzer" test a few years ago. He had had two previous refusals and a DWI on his record. I sent him to a good friend of mine who is a prominent trial attorney, and he in turn sent him to another lawyer. Long story short, he spent $3500 for his services, he got an 8 hour drunk school, his license and bond back, no fine and nothing on his record. In this day, with his prior track record, he should have been in a week long, lock down drunk school, fine and 1 year suspension of driving privileges. I called my friend of up and thanked him for referring him to another attorney, and all he said was there are a lot of people who owe *** alot of favors. Kinda sucks that system works that way, but you gotta know how to play the game. It really sucks for the people that can't afford it. Good Luck
My father and I have a small company and one of our "primary" employees got a "refusal to take a breathalyzer" test a few years ago. He had had two previous refusals and a DWI on his record. I sent him to a good friend of mine who is a prominent trial attorney, and he in turn sent him to another lawyer. Long story short, he spent $3500 for his services, he got an 8 hour drunk school, his license and bond back, no fine and nothing on his record. In this day, with his prior track record, he should have been in a week long, lock down drunk school, fine and 1 year suspension of driving privileges. I called my friend of up and thanked him for referring him to another attorney, and all he said was there are a lot of people who owe *** alot of favors. Kinda sucks that system works that way, but you gotta know how to play the game. It really sucks for the people that can't afford it. Good Luck
appreciate the advice, waiting to find out which court, they will be sending me summons. Heading to registry to see what they have for record., etc. i agree w/working the system, no problem paying the right guy, I obviously have blown alot more money at times on much less important ventures, LOL!!! TTm I was doing someshere around there, I was on the cell and didn't really notice
tough to tell in my car, seemed like I was going w/flow of traffic, it was estimated on ticket.
tough to tell in my car, seemed like I was going w/flow of traffic, it was estimated on ticket.
Loophole,
Obviously your laws are very different than the laws up here....
Gimmick defense? Call it luck or not but it has worked for me on three occasions. But since Raz is being summoned, I do agree he should consult with a legal attorney or "Points" as we call it up here (traffic ticket people)
This is what I do.
1. I always ask the officer if he has any DOCUMENTATION to verify if he/she has any training in operating a RADAR device. ( if the cop is not able to provide such documentation, case dismissed)
2. I ask the cop to present to the court DOCUMENTATION verifying that the radar device was tested to be in working order on that day. ( if not, case dismissed)
3. If the officer is able to present both types of documentation, then that is where I use my knowledge of how radar works and discuss the technicality of radar to the court (discuss radar angle, slope, etc etc)
I have never has to use #3 so far, but 2 out of my 3 cases have been dismissed by requesting the officer to provide #1
Again, I don't know what the HIGHWAY TRAFFIC ACT(s) are in the state of Mass, but up here in Ontario if a cop does not offer the driver a chance to view the radar unit in order to verify the speed that the individual is being charged with, case is dismissed.
Obviously your laws are very different than the laws up here....
Gimmick defense? Call it luck or not but it has worked for me on three occasions. But since Raz is being summoned, I do agree he should consult with a legal attorney or "Points" as we call it up here (traffic ticket people)
This is what I do.
1. I always ask the officer if he has any DOCUMENTATION to verify if he/she has any training in operating a RADAR device. ( if the cop is not able to provide such documentation, case dismissed)
2. I ask the cop to present to the court DOCUMENTATION verifying that the radar device was tested to be in working order on that day. ( if not, case dismissed)
3. If the officer is able to present both types of documentation, then that is where I use my knowledge of how radar works and discuss the technicality of radar to the court (discuss radar angle, slope, etc etc)
I have never has to use #3 so far, but 2 out of my 3 cases have been dismissed by requesting the officer to provide #1
Again, I don't know what the HIGHWAY TRAFFIC ACT(s) are in the state of Mass, but up here in Ontario if a cop does not offer the driver a chance to view the radar unit in order to verify the speed that the individual is being charged with, case is dismissed.
Captain Crunch, I hope that asshole u are talking about has stopped his drunk driving. Hearing that kind of crap makes my blood boil. Anybody that drives after drinking should be thrown in the can and license revoked. There are so many people out there driving with several prior DUIs, and it's ridiculous. I don't understand that part of "the system". I guess a DUI is considered one of those things that's ok since so many politicians and judges also have them on their records.
Sixfive, I think he has, shall we say, matured over the years. We have a construction company, so we are not getting Harvard MBAs wanting to come to work for us. He was actually a very good, hard working employee. He has since become a father and realizes that it might be important for him to be around to raise his son. I'm not advocating that what he did in his past was right, but on the other hand, if he didn't have a license, he couldn't get to work and was basically useless to us and trying to find good employees in our industry is becoming increasingly more difficult. You don't have to bring up the fact that what if he would have killed someone else or himself argument, as I won't disagree with you there.
As far as the system goes, I couldn't agree with you more, but unfortunately that is the way it is and I doubt any one of us is going to change it. I just experienced it first hand fighting my ex-wife on a relocation issue involving my daughter. The day our trial was to be heard, he told both attornies that the case was going to hinge on how active a father I was. The case got bumped from a Monday to a Thursday. After all the testimony, I lost the case. In his closing statement, he told me I was the best, most active and involved father that ever walked into his courtroom, but he was not going to seperate the daughter from the mother and allowed relocation. Three days earlier, that is what this case hinged on, then it didn't matter. Focking hypocrite. I now have no faith in justice system and think it is joke. Now I get to help my daughter with her homework with a webcam (joke), and have been pretty much shut out of her school activities. My daughter also told the judge that she wanted me to coach her in basketball and softball and his ruling shuts her out of ever doing that. I'm done ranting about this as I could go on till I got carpel tunnel syndrome. Good Luck
As far as the system goes, I couldn't agree with you more, but unfortunately that is the way it is and I doubt any one of us is going to change it. I just experienced it first hand fighting my ex-wife on a relocation issue involving my daughter. The day our trial was to be heard, he told both attornies that the case was going to hinge on how active a father I was. The case got bumped from a Monday to a Thursday. After all the testimony, I lost the case. In his closing statement, he told me I was the best, most active and involved father that ever walked into his courtroom, but he was not going to seperate the daughter from the mother and allowed relocation. Three days earlier, that is what this case hinged on, then it didn't matter. Focking hypocrite. I now have no faith in justice system and think it is joke. Now I get to help my daughter with her homework with a webcam (joke), and have been pretty much shut out of her school activities. My daughter also told the judge that she wanted me to coach her in basketball and softball and his ruling shuts her out of ever doing that. I'm done ranting about this as I could go on till I got carpel tunnel syndrome. Good Luck
TO EVERY ONE WHO READS THIS FORUM
Figure it out IF you can handicap a sporting event you probably have a few basic math skills.
How much earlier do I have to leave to be on time based on the legal speed limit and the distance I am going to travel I think most of the time you will find that it isn't that big of a deal.
Unless you enjoy paying a STATE TAX on speeding then drive the limit or at least set your cruise about 4-8 mph over the limit and flow with the traffic.
Raz this is not directed only at you regardless of the car you drive and the safety and braking performance it may have the OTHER guy will eventually get you in trouble when traveling in excess of the traffic flow. I used to drive like a mad man myself but when I was in my teens and twenty's the roads were empty compared to today.
AS far as playing the game I know of a young man with a family who is not playing the game now thanks to a DRUNK who was SPEEDING on I270 the outer belt here in central ohio. This young patrolman was on a routine stop when his cruiser was slammed by a multiple offender who knew how to play THE GAME or he would not have been on the road that night. The funeral precession tied up the streets of Marysville (honda town) for an long time.
The children of that patrolman will never be able to play a game with their father again ! Sorry but my blood boils when I think about this.
Think about it !
Figure it out IF you can handicap a sporting event you probably have a few basic math skills.
How much earlier do I have to leave to be on time based on the legal speed limit and the distance I am going to travel I think most of the time you will find that it isn't that big of a deal.
Unless you enjoy paying a STATE TAX on speeding then drive the limit or at least set your cruise about 4-8 mph over the limit and flow with the traffic.
Raz this is not directed only at you regardless of the car you drive and the safety and braking performance it may have the OTHER guy will eventually get you in trouble when traveling in excess of the traffic flow. I used to drive like a mad man myself but when I was in my teens and twenty's the roads were empty compared to today.
AS far as playing the game I know of a young man with a family who is not playing the game now thanks to a DRUNK who was SPEEDING on I270 the outer belt here in central ohio. This young patrolman was on a routine stop when his cruiser was slammed by a multiple offender who knew how to play THE GAME or he would not have been on the road that night. The funeral precession tied up the streets of Marysville (honda town) for an long time.
The children of that patrolman will never be able to play a game with their father again ! Sorry but my blood boils when I think about this.
Think about it !
Geno, truth is I was travelling at aboutn the same speed as the group of cars I was with, the patrolman was in the middle lane in front of minivan, they slowed down and switched lanes and bam I am ahead of him as were the cars on the inside lane but he chose me, no excuse I was speeding but seriously was in the flow of traffic, 80 mph is not unusual on I 93 into Boston. I wasn't bobbing and weaving out of lanes etc. to get someplace on time, no booze involved on my issue, but your point is well taken.
went to the registry today, they have no record of the speeding violations or the chase etc. the officer was referring to. Only thing I had was a an overdue ticket for running red light, paid it and was all l set. The registry agent said he did not have to tow me or write me up for anything else.
Geno,
A patrolman was killed in the line of duty? I am sure he was a good man, never took a bribe or used his badge to get a free meal. Never took advantage of his position or anything like that. Was a true frickin saint wasn't he. For your information and any other bandwagon jumpers out there that think a DUI should be punishable by death. Not all DUI's are the same> I have one you know how I got it? I hurt myself at work, had surgery. On follow up visit I was given a pain shot and three different meds. Looking back I don't know why he gave me a muscle relaxer and two pain pills but it said to take one of each every four hours for pain. I woke up at six am after receiving pain shot night before and took the pills and went to work. Bottles were not marked "do not drive" or anything like that so I went to work. Started to pass out about two miles from work pulled over, a cop, hopefully the same one that is now a grease spot, pulls up and asks me what the problem is. I tell him and hand him my prescription bottles and get taken to jail, towed my vehicle, got convicted of DUI paid well over three thousand dollars in atty fees and fines and court costs, a year of probation and license suspension, victim impact panel, AA classes, MADD classes, drug and alcohol classes, community service, etc......say all you want about having a bad atty or what ever you want but you want me to feel sorry for some dead frigging cop you are crazy. I could care less whose blood boils when I drive now I never was and never will be a menace on the streets. So stereotype someone else bubba. Me and my DUI are going for a frickin drive hope you don't have an aneurysm.
A patrolman was killed in the line of duty? I am sure he was a good man, never took a bribe or used his badge to get a free meal. Never took advantage of his position or anything like that. Was a true frickin saint wasn't he. For your information and any other bandwagon jumpers out there that think a DUI should be punishable by death. Not all DUI's are the same> I have one you know how I got it? I hurt myself at work, had surgery. On follow up visit I was given a pain shot and three different meds. Looking back I don't know why he gave me a muscle relaxer and two pain pills but it said to take one of each every four hours for pain. I woke up at six am after receiving pain shot night before and took the pills and went to work. Bottles were not marked "do not drive" or anything like that so I went to work. Started to pass out about two miles from work pulled over, a cop, hopefully the same one that is now a grease spot, pulls up and asks me what the problem is. I tell him and hand him my prescription bottles and get taken to jail, towed my vehicle, got convicted of DUI paid well over three thousand dollars in atty fees and fines and court costs, a year of probation and license suspension, victim impact panel, AA classes, MADD classes, drug and alcohol classes, community service, etc......say all you want about having a bad atty or what ever you want but you want me to feel sorry for some dead frigging cop you are crazy. I could care less whose blood boils when I drive now I never was and never will be a menace on the streets. So stereotype someone else bubba. Me and my DUI are going for a frickin drive hope you don't have an aneurysm.
FDC WOW I really hit a nerve there didn't I? This patrolman was a good man a young man in his late 20's his children lost a father sorry to hear you got railroaded one bad apple don't spoil the whole bunch. And yes there are some jerks in uniforms with a badge, My father got into an arguement when I was 12 at the county fair with a deputy that swore up and down I was 13 or older and he had to pay the adult fee. My father stood his ground for a minute then went ahead and paid the adult fee for me. I will never forget the deputy who was a jerk or the fact that my father said that we both were bigger men than him as we walked away still the same I was taught respect for the position and to avoid conflict.
Now sure how you know this young officer who was killed in the prime of his life leaving a widow and children.
Where is your heart man? Kindness is not a crime, I was taught to respect the dead and pull over for funerals.
FDC how about your doctor did you inform him of these chain of events, sounds like to me there was some lack of professionalism on his part also, IMHO.
One more story for you FDC, a classmate of mine was killed in April of 1970 by a drunk driver who was totally left of center . I don't think she ever took any bribes or free lunches, but she is just as dead. Age sixteen and gone. I wish you a healthy life and hope that you never experience a rotten deal like that again.
The name is Gene not bubba.
Hope you continue to enjoy all life has to offer and find some positive from all of this to move forward with.
Now sure how you know this young officer who was killed in the prime of his life leaving a widow and children.
Where is your heart man? Kindness is not a crime, I was taught to respect the dead and pull over for funerals.
FDC how about your doctor did you inform him of these chain of events, sounds like to me there was some lack of professionalism on his part also, IMHO.
One more story for you FDC, a classmate of mine was killed in April of 1970 by a drunk driver who was totally left of center . I don't think she ever took any bribes or free lunches, but she is just as dead. Age sixteen and gone. I wish you a healthy life and hope that you never experience a rotten deal like that again.
The name is Gene not bubba.
Hope you continue to enjoy all life has to offer and find some positive from all of this to move forward with.
