Oops, good fences make good neighbors...

[RAZ]

let my dogs out for the night as usual, last one I let out on the run is a good size dog, he is a cane corso about 145lbs., I am in the kitchen and I see him whipping this white thing in the air and it looks like it's rolling back down snow bank to him and he does it a few more times, I think nothing of it, thought it was a soccer ball he he plays with and might have punctured. then the phone rings and my relatively new neighbor is asking if i have seen his dog, I didn't even know he had one, next thing i hear his wife screaming like she was mortally wounded, I shoot out the door and she starts screaming at me that my dog has killed hers , she goes off.... I know it's hard to believe but in stressful life situations I stay abnormally calm, but i have to admit seeing this white figure laying motionless while my dog is laying behind it, thought the worst, I run up and I can hear this woman wailing in my house and at me... the little guy pops right up and runs right into my dog who abruptly picks him up like he was his own little cub and chucks him into the snow bamk and he comes right back for more, not a mark on the the little "popeye' jack russell terrier!!

bring the little guy back with me, tail wagging etc.,... she goes off on me again telling me how lucky I was or she would have sued me for everything, etc. that I should have a fenced my entire yard so this doesn't happen again!! I have a 3 kennel pen, tie outs and a large fenced in area around the pool, this nutcase has nothing, not even a frgn leash!!! just about to go off on her when my girl pinched my ear and told her I had a phone call.....
I am still ripping about this piece of work, sent this db large fruit basket when they moved in, and invited her entire family over on
labor day to our get together, they were staring at the pool like rosie at a locked krispy creme store, never even got a thank you from either one of them

 

[TIME TO MAKE $$$]

Glad you kept your cool Raz, you have been having a couple of rough days lately...

you need a vacation brother!


take care..

 

[gardenweasel]

my man

my man

you aren`t gonna like this,but,you gotta be crazy to let a 145 lb dog out without a fence or at least a chain....i know,it`s a nice dog...i know it wouldn`t hurt a fly...but if that dog somehow hurts a kid,you might just get shot or beat to death..i know if it was my kid or animal that got hurt or killed,i`d be lookin` for serious retribution..i`d be very careful,bud......you are playing with fire....just playing devil`s advocate.....you gotta know something like that can happen....hope it never does.....

 

[RAZ]

garden, dog was on a run, which is more or less like a chain, never let any dog roam free unless they are outside w/me or my girl, for their safety as well as anyone elses. Like I said I have a 3 kennel set up, total fenced in area of about 600 sq. feet, prof set up, not accessible or viewable from the street, and the pool area is about 80x100 completely fenced which I let em play in as well only access from the back of property, no neighbors for about 2 heavily wooded acrse or so behind me. I would be sick if any of dogs ever hurt a child believe me, that's why I spent the money for the kennels and runs. The neighbor has no such set up and her dog rcame onto my ptoperty where my dog was on the run the entire time, that is what so ironic about the situation, she takes no precautions at all, just let the little guy out.

TTm ,my girl and her friends are headed to miami Weds. so i'll let off some steam during the next week or so, LOL!!

that mess last night was the first time took my sc430 out since 1st of the year, just got it back from the shop, next thing i know it's on a flatbed and i am eating Chinese ina suit next to atoothless wonder who gravity had abonded years ago, LOL!!

 

[marine]

Yup, If I were you I would keep a close eye on the neighbor mutt and every time it stepped foot on your yard run out there and go beat on their door and let them know they need to chain it up. Make sure you have a "Beware of Dog" sign posted somewhere in a visible spot on your yard at an angle that is viewable from their general direction. If their mutt runs on yer yard and gets it @ss whooped while your doggy is tied up... they have ZERO case.
ZERO.

I used to have a neighbor that didnt put their mutts on a leash and just let them out to run around... then I caught the lil bastard crapping on my yard. Head on out, pick it up and set it on their front porch with the note "Your dog left this on my lawn today" and the problem will solve itself.
I have two big dogs myself and ALWAYS chain them up, disgusts me when i see other people letting them run loose around the yard. Just makes ya look like you belong in a trailer park in my opinion.

 

[cooz3]

RAZ...where they hell you live in boston with a backyard...????..LOL....

if you have taken the pre-cautions which you have stated and thier dog is allowed to roam free and ventures in to your yard at hi/her own peril....too bad....No negligence on your behalf...No case as Marine succinctly stated....Now if you really want to watch your ass ..write a nice...well written ...and polite letter to your neighbor regarding the pre-cautions you have taken to make sure your dogs dont have the access to harm anyone or anything....restate the "incident" as it occured...and politely state that maybe they should take some additional steps themselves to make sure that this situation does not occur again...perhaps by chaining thier dog?...or something of that nature....and that if they would like to discuss the subject you would be more than happy to sit down with them .....dont be rude ....

this will put them on notice .....and will state the incident in writing very close to the time of occurence ....send it certified mail...so there is no dispute that it was recieved...

sure that may be a little too much....and i know you dont want problems from your neighbors...but believe me ..this will pay off in the longrun if something does happen....

just suggestion...

by the way...where you headed this weekend for st patties day...since the girl will be out of Town???

cooz....

 

[Blazer]

golden

golden

I have two big dogs myself and ALWAYS chain them up, disgusts me when i see other people letting them run loose around the yard. Just makes ya look like you belong in a trailer park in my opinion.

So, chaining a dog to a tree or an object doesn't look like a trailer park?

I have a Golden Retriever (90lbs.). I never use a leash because I have taken the time to train my dog. Every night when I take my dog on a walk, I bring a leash and use it when another dog or person is in our path. I calmly heal my dog, tell him to sit, and place the leash on his neck. For the people: I do this out of respect because some people are scared of dogs. For the dogs: I do it because for some reason training a dog is difficult to them. I never need to but I don?t want to infringe on their rights to have a poorly trained dog.

Poorly trained dogs sadden me. I love dogs and think they are great to have around. If I could bring my dog with me all day I would. The only reason I can?t is because of the ignorant idiots in this world that can?t or won?t properly train their animals. The same goes for children. People today can?t or won?t teach their kids to behave in public.

Ever noticed among pet owners. Kids that have behavior problems have inadequately trained dogs? There are exceptions to every rule, but the strength (mental not brute) of the parent can be measured in the family pet.

If you can?t train a dog?..you shouldn?t have a child.

 

[SixFive]

although a little harsh, blazer, I agree of some of what u said. I don't like untrained dogs either, but I also think if u are walking a dog in public it should be on a lead. The only time I have ever had trouble with a well trained dog was when there was a female in heat or if he got on the trail of a wild animal such as a deer. I don't like seeing chained dogs in yards either, but I guess that's the way it has to be sometimes. I think the place for dogs should be in the house unless u live on a big property or farm where they can safely roam.

 

[TheShrimp]

Well, I'll throw in my 2 cents.

Fact of the matter is, this kind of thing is much more unlikely to happen if you didn't have a dog that was bred for military uses, guarding and fighting. A violent dog on a leash or in a yard is 100 times worse than a good dog running free.

Anyone who gets a Rott, Dobie, Akita, Cane Corso, Presa Canario, Staffordshire, Pit Bull, etc. automatically has responsibilty if their dog tears up another person or dog. You got to ask yourself before you get one of these why you're getting him and if you can get the same thing out of another dog.

I've seen a Pit get over a 6 foot wooden fence before. They go under them. They slip collars. There are a million ways the dogs can bust out of restraints. I go about 175, I'm in all right shape, and my 100 pound Akita has just about pulled me onto my face before when he sees a squirrel. And, well, that woman in SF clearly couldn't restrain her Presa Cans.

People try to say "there are no bad dogs. Just bad owners." That's complete bull shit and anyone who's ever owned a dog bred for fighting, guarding, and hunting knows it. Tender love, good care and constant training don't remove 1000 years of breeding that was designed to make them meaner and tougher.

As I said, I have an Akita. He's a teddy bear. Great around kids, great around dogs. He'll go months acting completely calm, but every now and then there's something about a dog just sets him off and if either one isn't restrained, well, its on like a Mother F'er. And, he's neutered.

I've witnessed 20 dogs having fun, playing together. And then a Pit comes up, on a leash, and it just takes one of these other dogs going up for a little bum-sniffy for bad bad stuff to happen. You might think it's not the pits fault because he's on the leash, but really...he's the asshole, leash or no leash, and its his presence that starts the fight, not the good dog off-leash.

A lot of people could start by just getting their dogs fixed. Probably 95% of fights that happen where I take my dogs are because one, or both, isn't fixed. It's not a cure-all, but its a good start.

 

[Blazer]

Like Bob Barker said.....

Like Bob Barker said.....

Good point Shrimp.

Some dogs have been bread to be aggressive. Oddly, they become more aggressive on a leash. My sister-in-law has a Beagle that becomes a Pit Bull when you put him on a leash and put another dog in front of him. I think he is trying to protect my sister-in-law.

Like I said there are exceptions to every rule. This is one.

I wouldn?t own such a dog. You, on the other hand, seem to be responsible enough to handle them. I only wish other owners of the ?military dogs? were as accountable.

At the risk of sounding like Bob Barker.....Unless you are trying to breed, all dogs should be spayed or neutered.

 

[TheShrimp]

Well, I'm a pretty responsible owner, but when I get to the park I let my dog off. He usually goes into the woods for a dump, and comes back out and I hook him up. Well, if he comes back and sees a strange dog. He'll charge.

As a "responsible" owner, I try to keep my eyes open for potential conflict before it starts, but I can't always do it. I roll the dice every time he's off. Thing is, everybody likes him. No one that knows him thinks he's bad, but he's got it in him. If I were completely responsible I'd never let him off.

His natural reaction when he meets a dog is to roll him. He's never actually bitten a dog but it still scares the crap out of people.

This was an abandoned dog, though. We took him in. I don't think I'd own one even though he's one of the best dogs I've ever had.

 

[marine]

ok, I used the wrong choice of words earlier. When I said "chain them up" I did not mean with a 4 foot leash tied to the washer and dryer covered with weeds in the backyard. I meant on a lead, with a collar, and room to move around and do puppy things.

I use the term "chain em up" as slang around my house, because sometimes I feel as if i do need a chain to keep these monsters still.

 

[fatdaddycool]

Write her a nice note saying you are sorry about the incident and you have taken any and all precautions, and she can rest assured that your dog won't eat her dog. You cannot however be responsible for her pussy(cat) coming in the yard. It will undoubtedly be eaten. Because if there is one thing the ole dog likes its eating ..........nevermind.
Here to help.
FDC

 

[RAZ]

cooz have a house little north of Boston and place in Charlestown, St. Patty's still up in the air, usually lay low on such days. Where you headed??

for the record I have 3 dogs, all fixed. 2 w/CGC cets and all have been obedience trained, can call any of them off in 99% of the circumstances. Cane Corso especially. First large dog/guard type dog was a Rottie, still in my teens, inseparable, breeder was family friend and spent great amount of time w/me in regards to training and socialization. Best dog I ever had, didn't want another felt it wouldn't be fair to compare, also by that time they became the "fad" or "hot" dog of the day. I have had a few types of these dogs including the cane. They all have one thing in common, training, socialization and established alpha or pack order are a MUST.

Presa's were/are bred for 1 reason only, like having a constant loaded gun, they close the socialization or family circle much too fast,similar to the Fila's in that regard. canary islands numerous documented stories of them attacking tire of moving vehicle clamping on and not letting go even after being rolled over, often popping tire.Have heightened sense of fear, they smell it and they go.

pits are tough to call, mr. Colby's house numerous times as he lived about 2 mi. from my house about 10 yrs. ago. for those who do not know his family has bred "colby pitbulls" for 60+ years, I have no problem at all with his type of Pit, 60 lbs. MAx, not these 80-100 lb. things you see now, heads like basketballs, def.cross breeding, making some very unstable.

 

[RAZ]

Shrimp, The Akita 1 of the most beautiful dogs, had 1 for 8 yrs., tough time when they blow thier coat, everytime they lay down they leave enough for a small blanket, LOL!1 They are very tough dogs, when they want something, do everything they can to get it. Nikko was quiet as could be then bam, his tail was dead give away, curl up tight. As you know they were bred to be silent in action and on the hunt, mostly for bear, and in the ring.

what color is yours?

 

[TheShrimp]

Nice Raz. You know your dogs.

I know two Cane Corsos and, honestly I love 'em. They seem to have less aggression than even my Akita. They're more like American Bulldogs than Presas. Very playful and very beautiful.

Best friend had a bitch Rott for 10 years. Loyal. Smart. Beautiful. Hard worker. But, shook up a few other dogs, and got real mean real often. A very dominant dog. Would trap other dogs in rooms, attack and pin other dogs for no reason. Always walked ahead in the woods. It would climb hills and scout things out then come back. Very interesting dog.

I don't know any reason to get a Pit. Violent and destructive and instinctual, in my opinion. Hard to control. Athletic, somewhat clever in escaping. You get at least a couple of 6 year olds mauled every year in Baltimore.

You can put that thing in a yard, but it can get out, or a 6 year can undo the latch and go in thinking he wants to play with the cute doggy. Some people release them when they don't want them anymore. Just a bad bad situation.

 

[TheShrimp]

Fawn with a black mask.

Here's a picture of him.

Some think he's shepherd/chow/akita or something, but we're real sure he's all Akita. I got an Akita book with almost exact duplicates of him in it. Not the typical blotchy coloration.

He's got "broken ears" but they stand up when he's on the prowl. He'll also lower himself and stick his tail straight out and creep.

 

[TheShrimp]

Blowing the under coat is the major drawback (and the fighting). I was actually saving it once. I wanted to make a hat or something out of it, but it was getting to be a hassle and someone told me it would smell like wet dog when it got wet.

 

[RAZ]

I like him, he looks like all Akita from the pictures, mask dark triangle on the forhead and the ears. I saw an animal planet show, where a guy in NY did just that saved it all and they made a hat out of it for him, little too much for me. He had bags of the stuff he saved.

 

[gardenweasel]

great post raz

great post raz

really turned out to be an interesting discussion...you guys really know quite a bit about dogs....i learned some things....g.l.