Preseason Week 3(4?) NFL thoughts

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Jack is out today so I decided to post my writeups on each game in the forum. just my early leans, nothing concrete for the most part.

8/22/01 Update

2001 NFLX Record: 4-2, +115

8/22 NFL Plays: PASS

Before I get to each individual game, I want to pass along a word that historically the second to last week of preseason NFL is a strong over week. Everyone knows that defense wins championships so most teams play very vanilla defense without complex schemes throughout preseason. This is the week that starters generally see the most action, so historically they have been able to take advantage of that. Obviously some games will go under this week but if you are betting unders be very careful. If you play a side, lean towards the over this week.

This week's lines are courtesy of Sportsinteraction (www.sportsinteraction.com). This is arguably the top underdog book available. If you bet underdogs in any sport, especially moneyline dogs, this book is a must-have.

THURSDAY:

Kansas City +4 / 34 vs. JACKSONVILLE

This should be an old-fashioned shoot-out. Jacksonville really struggled against New York so I expect Caughlin to let Brunell and Taylor light 'em up. Kansas City has a lethal offense as is. Very strong chance of me playing the over here.

Carolina +5.5 / 31 vs. BALTIMORE

No way on earth I would go under 31 points this week no matter who was playing. That said, the over is a risk as well due to Baltimore being embarassed on defense last week. Baltimore is always a strong lean ont he side play in preseason because of Billick, but 5.5 may be too many points here. Most likely a pass.

Philadelphia +5.5 / 32.5 vs. TENNESSEE

Certainly Tennessee and the over look like the side and total to be on with O'Donnell likely being able to murder the Philly D. I have not yet gotten a good read on the Eagles, though, so I will probably pass.

FRIDAY:

Indianapolis +3 / 44 vs. MINNESOTA

Obviously the over looks like gravy here. Value, schmalue. I don't care what anybody says about 44 being too high for a preseason total, with these two teams in the third week of preseason, this game could reach 60 points. Minnesota is always a side to look at in preseason because of Denny Green. I am not sure if I will bet Minny or the over here, but I am strongly considering them.

Cleveland +2 / 33 vs. WASHINGTON

Cleveland has really been in some low scoring games this preseason. Therefore, i will probably leave the total alone. Washington should come out firing after being embarassed the last two weeks but George's health is a big question mark. Probably a pass here but a possible play on Washington pending media reports.

SATURDAY:

Detroit +4 / 37 vs. PITTSBURGH

Man, I have to look at this game more, but Detroit seems like a steal getting four points. They have been lighting people up in preseason and Pittsburgh is god awful. Tough call on the total.

Buffalo +3 / 35 vs. CINCINNATI

Very tough call here. If Johnson is out, then Buffalo is a tough team to handicap. The QB battle should work in Cincy's favor here. If Johnson is planning to play, then the over may be a play to look at.

New England +5 / 32 vs. TAMPA BAY

Good lord! Five points? Tampa is garbage. I cannot wait to pound the Cowboys in week one against these tools. New England is the better team here. No question in my mind. But Tampa has the incentive of playing at home and leaving their starters in much of the game. The over looks much better in other games, so I will pass on this total.

Jets +1 / 33.5 vs. GIANTS

The Jets seem to be the better overall team. They also seem to be a play here. The over may be another good play because both offenses looked strong last week. Neither play is overly strong, though.

Miami +2.5 / 35.5 vs. GREEN BAY

My hometown team and my favorite team (at least for this year) facing each other. Too many emotional factors for me.

Arizona +4.5 / 35 vs. CHICAGO

The Cards looked downright superb last week up in Seattle. That almost makes this over look very strong. Though call, though, because I want to wait for media reports on how the Bears' QB situation is shaking out.

New Orleans +6 / 39.5 vs. DENVER

Denver in a walk. I really cannot imagine it going any other way. New Orleans moved the ball but struggled to score against Dallas. Denver is opening the new stadium and they have two good QBs and three good running backs. The over is the right side in my view but I dunno if it is strong enough for a play.

Seattle +2.5 / 40 vs. SAN FRANCISCO

Dang it, Holmgren. Thoughout your career you have been reliable as clockwork for leaving in your starters extra time and generally overemphasizing preseason. Now this year, your team looks like garbage in preseason. I dunno what to think anymore. Most likely a pass here.

St. Louis -2.5 / 40.5 vs. SAN DIEGO

Tough call here. St. Louis is a very deep team but Flutie and Brees will both likely roll up some points. 40.5 seems like a very low total for this kind of matchup. If anything, the over may be the best play here.

MONDAY:

Oakland -6.5 / 37 vs. Dallas (a Estadia Azteca en Mexico, D.F.)

You know, I probably should somehow understand this line, but I just don't. Oakland barely beat Dallas, won, but failed to cover against Arizona and then lost to Frisco. Yet they are touchdown faves against the Cowboys. I think the crowd will be strongly pro-Dallas unless half of Los Angeles decides to make the trip down (did you know that Los Angeles has the second largest population of Mexicans in the world after Mexico, D.F.? And all of them are Raider fans.) I will probably pass on this one based on the uncertainty at quarterback for Dallas.
 

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Nick,

The thing that I'm sure is on most peoples mind is, "this looks like an over week".

As you point out, historically this a week
that warrants, "over".

After scanning the totals, the thing that sticks out to me is the linesman have made
some adjustment down in their numbers due to the anomaly of unders we've seen so far in this preseason.

This appears to be fertile ground. Now what
else can we "whittle down" that will provide
an edge?

QB rotation? Starters playing through 1st half? Conference play?

Just trying to conjur up some opinions here.

I think I see "the mans knees knocking" this
week. Overs the play.
 

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nick

good move on posting here, since there doesn't seem to be much action anyway.

just a few comments:

indy/minn

the night mare here is for indy to get the jellies and minny winning 35-3 or something like that. otherwise, taking into account previous pre-season patterns, dome, etc., i can't imagine anything less than a 31-24 or so, way above that 44. i am looking for a key play (2 plays) to add to others for 4 play parlays, and this one looks like the one. i wish we would get more feedback on it.

det/pitt
seems like detroit coach is pulling all the stops and pitt will definitely go for it, so the over makes a lot of sense. i can't imagine them playing the 3 down and kick game with an ocassional fg. it looks to me like one of those 22-21, 24-22 games.

buff/cincy

tough call on the side, as cincy needs a win at home to sell tickets. buffalo does not have enough motivation for the win, but may make a game of it. the over one way or the other.

ariz/chi

i have reservations on an over here. there are too many precedents of low scoring games here, and if chicago gets a 7-10 point lead, it won't happen.

kc/jax

i can't believe kc could not put up some points at home, not even to secure the game, which they just barely won by chance. hard to pull the trigger on the over here.

carol/balt

maybe just what the dr. ordered for balt., probably keying on defense. leaning under on this one.

seattle/sf

if they could not do it at home vs. ariz, what can you expect in sanfran? it is the totals that are driving me nuts. can they hold seattle to 10-14 points? i can see sanfran scoring 28 or so.

clev/wash

the under looks so obvious here. i don't know.


pep
 

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Nick,

Before you pull the trigger on that over, I just want to remind you of the horrific OL problems that the Jags are incurring. The line is just awful right now with Boselli and Weigert out. Kempfert, with no experience will start at LT and rookie M. Williams will start at RT. Also, McCardell is out and Jimmy Smith is doubtful for the KC game. Even if Jimmy plays, he won't play but a few snaps just to get some action in. With KC not having a full week to prepare a gameplan for this game, I expect to see a very vanilla offense from them. Just some thoughts to take into consideration...
 

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Good point --

I checked my records for preseasons from '97-'00 (all I have), and it confirms what Nick said. My records show 40-19-1 OVER in the next to last week of those 4 preseasons (incl. 12-3 last year). In this 4-year period, however, the stronger trend is for the overs to occur in games expected to be lower-scoring, as games with posted totals of 40+ were just 8-8 OVER/UNDER, while games with posted totals of less than 40 were 32-11-1 to the OVER.

As for the total of 44 in the Ind/Minn game -- 30 of the 60 games in the 3 years I looked at went over 44, and 2 more landed on 44.

[This message has been edited by mw (edited 08-22-2001).]
 

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nick is right. in fact, this trend has been strong enough that i'm going to take a stab at playing all games over this week that post a total under 38. thus will be playing all three overs tonight - jax over 35, ravens over 31 and titans over 32-. lets see how it plays out.
 

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Shoot me now. I forgot to set my alarm this morning so I had no time to handicap. I was gonna call in that KC over from work but I shied away because I didn't get to cap it. I get home from work and there are fifty freakin' points ont he board. Ugh. And guess what else. EVERY DAMNED GAME WENT OVER TONIGHT!!! Argh. I could NOT have picked a worse time to screw up setting my alarm. Oh well. Pound the overs tomorrow, I guess.
 

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week's over trend played out pretty well last night going 3-0 as nick has pointed out. will modify the parameters a bit and limit plays to games with total no higher than 37 as will cut the hook off that key number. tonight's play of was over 32- should put the trend to the test. indy game outside the parameters. glta.
 

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5-0 on the overs for the week. I only played three of them, but I have a nice cushion going into the weekend.

Thanks for pointing out this angle, Nick. It's a great contribution to the forum.
 

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Hey Nick... I do respect everyones opinion but would love to here your take on Tampa being Garbage and New England being the better team... NOw that is a little surprising to me... Just would like to get in your head a little bit on this one.. Yes I am a die hard Bucs fan but even if I wasn't I still would say that the Bucs are the more dominant team.. Anyone else have an opinion on this one?? Would love to hear it...
 

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4-0 on overs so far with cle/was easily over. indy game also over though no play for me. can it continue to be this easy? probably not, but will stick to the game plan. six big plays today - pitt/det over 37, buf/cin over 35-, ne/tb over 32-, nyj/nyg over 34-, az/chi over 36, no/den over 36. last three game totals outside limits set above so no plays for me. good luck to all.
 

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interesting - night game totals are dropping. buf/cin 35, ne/tb 32, nyj/nyg 33-, mia/gb 35-, az/chi 35-. guess that means the dough is coming in on the unders - like the overs even mo'.
 

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under plaays crash and burn on saturday, going 1-5 for a weeklong aggregate of 6-5. what i thought was going to be a hug from a lapdancer ended up being a kiss from my sistr. oh well, nick, it was still a good idea with very little downside.
 

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loophole,

I dunno what to say about this. I think it was just one of those fluke things. I mean, I have seen it consistently for about five years. Every trend hits its rough spots. I am still temped to take the over on Monday night but that would be relying on Dallas to put up at least 14, maybe 17 pts.
 
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