Public plays & the picks

Scoop Mackenzie

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Someone recently posted a great thread that garnished any responses on squares betting baseball or going against public opinion. Just thought I would throw in my thoughts on this and focus it on today?s picks. I do think squares (like me) bet baseball but the anti-public role used in football or basketball has a different role here. Let me explain. In basketball let?s say the lakers are playing the bulls giving 14 and the public is all over the Lakers. Well you can take the points and cover when the bulls do not win the game, so if 70% are on the lakers they will be losers because if you go against the consensus and play the Bulls they just have to come within the number. In baseball it is much different, as the team will have to lose so let?s say the Yankees are playing the tigers. The public could be 70/30 for the Yankees but it may not be an automatic go against because the tigers do not have to come within 14 points, they have to win outright. Therefore I think the numbers can be a bit masked. You can rarely find a time when a consensus play is on a dog and that may be the only time you can find an edge going against the public.

For tonight I just so happened to look for a consensus and grabbing over 70% it would seem that the Blue Jays, Twins, and Indians all fit in this category. So at this point you would have to go with the padres against a lefty, the pirates against the hot hitting Blue jays, and the worst road team on the planet in the Rockies. You can throw in line movement and you get even more in your favor as the lines I see (may be different depending on where you look) have all moved in your favor if you take these bad clubs showing that the public money is coming in on these teams. The Indians opened at ?155 and is now as high as 160 but as a note I have also seen it at 153, but the jays opened at 185 and is now 2-1, and the twins opened at 178 and is high as 185. A quick note on the line movement anyone who follows these movement should realize the higher the line the more drastic the movement.

So anyone taking these bad teams has line movement and anti-public going for them but you might want to bring some antacids along for the ride too. So unless I am going to get these dogs with 14 points I am not touching them, but I do have another idea.

So my thought is to look at the dogs that the public is on. The Giants and the Braves. Who can blame them, both good teams and decent pitchers on the mound too so no wonder they register in the id to high 60 percentile considering the public. However if you take a shot on the White Sox and the A?s you get two good teams at home, playing well, with decent pitchers of their own, AND your going against the public. Not to mention that you give your stomach a break from putting your cash on the padres.



White sox -120 & A's -118


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I see Indians -151, Jays -188, and Twins -178. By my account Twins opened at -179, Jays opened at -185, and Indians opened at -152.

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okay day one of this experiment begins

okay day one of this experiment begins

I a only playing the plays i entioned above. i am going to follow these plays to try and get a feel for a system using lines at one book for consistency.

Public plays 70% or higher:

plaY ON:
SD+133
pitt +167
Rockies +160

play On:
Under 9.5 Tor/pitt


Anti public favs

I think this category will do well as you are going against dogs that the public loves

PLAY ON:
WSox
A's
All games also have line move in favor of antipublic bettors and I may monitor that as well....

i also would like to keep an eye on consensus in the forum as well, as close as i could although it is almost purley an objective call. i got these from the POD thread and looking at many others;

Sides:
Atlanta
Florida

Total:
Over tor/pitt
Over stl/bos

Now i have yet to decide whether the last category is a fade play or go with, but assuming we are all expert cappers and a step up from John Q I'll make it a play category :D


Trying to add/subtract other variables to ake this a part of a winning strategy so I am open to all and any ideas....:)


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Well actually fading Joe public at 70% or higher has done quite well ;)

Year to date: 47-63 +12.05 units (based on 1 unit per play)

*** Totals has been a different story, and don't forget to incorporate some type of vig on them totals, too many forum members seem to have some excellent local books that let them bet flat. Or maybe its just paper $$$. GL on your experiment :)


Line movement in itself, is a totally separate category, that takes years and years and years to master. As well as about 8 hours a day or more of pure eye burning enjoyment. In 20 years or so, I hope to have a handle on it:D
 

Scoop Mackenzie

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great job Antonio!!!!

those are the kind of numbers I a looking to dig up and since you have a big enough sample to call that a good angle I am going to find another couple to throw into the experiment, maybe home/away, line movemnet (love the eye burn) or something else...suggestions welome...

Late consensus says 68% on the M's I will take a swing with the french dudes...

on a side note it looks like this has the making of an over as well taking expos & Over 8....


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