when was the last time he shot a few free throws or grabbed more that 3 rebounds in a game? detroit would be champions again if he playe dlike a power forward instead of a guard.
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You might want to check how many blocks he had for the Finals before making too many judgements.......
i never said he didn't play defense. i just can't understand why he doesn't put out the energy to rebound and why he won't take the ball to the basket and draw fouls.
Isn't that a reflection on coaching? L. Brown should demand it from R. Wallace but he doesn't. Look at what Pop did to Parker in game 7 finals. Pop didn't like 2 of his shots, took him out right away and told him. I don't think Brown does anything, def. nothing in the open. Maybe behind closed doors but obviously it isn't doing any good.
I agree with you Pistons might have won series if R. Wallace repeatedly took the ball to basket. Plus Duncan was not 100% with ankles and Rasheed had height and speed advantage. Not to mention it would get Duncan tired and in foul trouble. Duncan was never in foul trouble. Against Sonics, the big men challenged Duncan and got him in foul trouble. I think Wallace posts Duncan only 2-3 times game. Should be 10x a game and then it would result in open shots to perimeter guys. Pistons win if Duncan gets in foul trouble and Pistons might win if Rasheed posts and scores. He was getting his shot everytime down low.
But if you are looking for someone to blame, look no further than Prince. THis guy had major height advantage and was a NOBODY in this series. His defense wasn't that good either. Yes he stopped Ginobili, when Ginobili suffered thigh contusion. I point the finger at Prince! At least R. Wallace played great defense.
Pistons got great production from Ben Wallace and he is the reason Spurs didn't jump on Detroit in 1q. I tip my hat to him. He played great!
I agree with you Pistons might have won series if R. Wallace repeatedly took the ball to basket. Plus Duncan was not 100% with ankles and Rasheed had height and speed advantage. Not to mention it would get Duncan tired and in foul trouble. Duncan was never in foul trouble. Against Sonics, the big men challenged Duncan and got him in foul trouble. I think Wallace posts Duncan only 2-3 times game. Should be 10x a game and then it would result in open shots to perimeter guys. Pistons win if Duncan gets in foul trouble and Pistons might win if Rasheed posts and scores. He was getting his shot everytime down low.
But if you are looking for someone to blame, look no further than Prince. THis guy had major height advantage and was a NOBODY in this series. His defense wasn't that good either. Yes he stopped Ginobili, when Ginobili suffered thigh contusion. I point the finger at Prince! At least R. Wallace played great defense.
Pistons got great production from Ben Wallace and he is the reason Spurs didn't jump on Detroit in 1q. I tip my hat to him. He played great!
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Scotty, totally agree. Tayshaun was the only consistent person against Miami, but disappeared in the Finals. Manu was way too quick for him. He did what he wanted. I thought they should have put rip on manu, at least he has some quickness.
I wish Rasheed would play more than 10 hard minutes a game. Like you said though, at least he made up for it on the D end.
You would think he would learn that when you wack at the ball, you are going to get called. Even if you get all ball, you are going to get called a lot of time.
I wish Rasheed would play more than 10 hard minutes a game. Like you said though, at least he made up for it on the D end.
You would think he would learn that when you wack at the ball, you are going to get called. Even if you get all ball, you are going to get called a lot of time.
Rasheed Wallace appears to have unlimited potential. He can be a great defender and shot blocker and hit shots from inside and out. I am sure coaches have been wanting him to go inside more for years. As is the case with most players, you get what you get with Rasheed. The Pistons are probably damn grateful he doesn't get tossed every other game like he did in Portland.
As for Tayshun Prince, I am stunned at how good of a player he has become. He is skin and bones and I never would have guessed he would have become half the NBA player he is. Prince and Wallace are both on the lean side. It probabl wouldn't hurt either one to put on a few pounds. That said, I'd take either one in a heartbeat. Especially Prince, because there is a lot less mental baggage.
That said, going into the series I thought Detroit might have an edge in the Manu/Prince match-up. It will be interesting to see how good a player Ginobili becomes the next few years.
As for Tayshun Prince, I am stunned at how good of a player he has become. He is skin and bones and I never would have guessed he would have become half the NBA player he is. Prince and Wallace are both on the lean side. It probabl wouldn't hurt either one to put on a few pounds. That said, I'd take either one in a heartbeat. Especially Prince, because there is a lot less mental baggage.
That said, going into the series I thought Detroit might have an edge in the Manu/Prince match-up. It will be interesting to see how good a player Ginobili becomes the next few years.
If Rasheed as unlimited potential isn't that a reflection on coaching? Why do so many people praise Brown and call him the greatest coach in NBA? Isn't a coaches job to improve his players and make them reach their potential? Isn't that was a coach is suppose to do?
Look at Popovich. He improves his players and has them reaching their potential, Parker, Ginobili, Duncan, Naze Muhammad, G. Robinson (on defense), Devin Brown, the list goes on and on. Look at how these players played when they started out or on other teams and look at them now.
I also like the fact that he isn't afraid to yell at his star players. His team plays team ball and team always comes first.
Hands down Popovich IMO is the best coach in the NBA. Look at what he has done to so many players on his team and these were not high 1st round drafted players.
If it wasn't for Kobe/Shaq, Pop might have at least 1 more NBA ring.
Look at Popovich. He improves his players and has them reaching their potential, Parker, Ginobili, Duncan, Naze Muhammad, G. Robinson (on defense), Devin Brown, the list goes on and on. Look at how these players played when they started out or on other teams and look at them now.
I also like the fact that he isn't afraid to yell at his star players. His team plays team ball and team always comes first.
Hands down Popovich IMO is the best coach in the NBA. Look at what he has done to so many players on his team and these were not high 1st round drafted players.
If it wasn't for Kobe/Shaq, Pop might have at least 1 more NBA ring.
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considering that larry brown is about the only coach rasheed wallace has shown respect for, id say that in itself is enough to give brown some praise.
not to mention coaching a team to a title that was an 9-1 underdog against the lakers last year. and doing it in dominating fashion.
youre throwing around all these guys that popovich improved.
well.....
rasheed wallace was the biggest cancer in the nba before he bought into brown's system
chauncey billups was a 1st round bust that underachieved for 3 or 4 teams
rip hamilton was always a solid player, but has recently developed into a star under brown
and if you want to go back further, just getting his team to the finals in philly when it was a 1-man show is pretty impressive as well. how has philly done w/o brown?
im not saying brown is john wooder. im simply saying everything you say about popovich is true for brown
'Sheed sometimes reminds me of Rodman. I saw ESPNs ranking of the all-time power forwards and Rodman actually came in like 15th place or something like that despite the fact he was pretty one-dimentional and one of the world's greatest flakes.
Sometimes Wallace reminds me of that, having tremendous upside but for whatever reason not always maximizing his potential. By the way, Duncan came in first in that power forward poll and I thought at times that 'Sheed could score on Timmy almost at will.
I think that's in part why Detroit goes downhill next year without Larry. It takes a special coach to handle some of these guys, with Rodman it took Daly and Phil to put up with his antics.
Sometimes Wallace reminds me of that, having tremendous upside but for whatever reason not always maximizing his potential. By the way, Duncan came in first in that power forward poll and I thought at times that 'Sheed could score on Timmy almost at will.
I think that's in part why Detroit goes downhill next year without Larry. It takes a special coach to handle some of these guys, with Rodman it took Daly and Phil to put up with his antics.
rodman was an incredible player, he won 7 straight NBA rebounding crowns and was first team all nba defense 7xs; and could guard anyone from MJ to Bird, and even leane don Shaq ... could he shoot?--NO ... but could elgin baylor lock down people, or even John Drew? Being a rodman or rasheed isnt a bad thing at all ...
Rodman, King or Queen of Rebounds?
By Mike Puma
Special to ESPN.com
"Dennis said, 'I know that I'll crash. The money will be gone, the fame will be gone. But in my heart, I'll know that I lived the way I wanted to live. And I'm okay. I had nothing before and I'll end up with nothing,' " said Sports Illustrated writer Michael Silver on ESPN Classic's SportsCentury series.
Dennis Rodman brought color to the NBA, both literally and figuratively. Fans had a better chance of guessing his rebound total than what shade of the rainbow might shoot through his hair on any given night.
Rodman added body piercings and tattoos to the mix, only bolstering his image as a bad boy. On the court, the lanky 6-foot-8 forward was a savage rebounder and defender who forged a standout career by leaving the scoring to others.
In 14 seasons, Rodman averaged 7.3 points and 13.1 rebounds. For seven consecutive years he led the league in rebounding, an NBA record.
"There's nobody out there who can do what I do," Rodman wrote in his autobiography, Bad As I Wanna Be.
Only Wilt Chamberlain, with 10, won more rebounding titles than Rodman, who played for five championship teams and appeared in two All-Star Games. Twice the league's defensive player of the year, Rodman made the all-defensive first team seven times.
But for all his accomplishments, Rodman is remembered more for creating controversy and trouble, especially his 11-game suspension in 1997 for kicking a cameraman in the groin. His outrageous behavior peaked in the mid-1990s when he became romantically involved with pop icon Madonna and later appeared at a book signing wearing a wedding dress.
Rodman's moodiness - besides suspensions he missed practices and games with the Detroit Pistons and San Antonio Spurs because he was upset with management - made him one of the game's most unpredictable players.
"He scares both coaches every time he steps on the court," said Bob Hill, who coached Rodman with the Spurs.
The oldest of Philander and Shirley Rodman's three children, Dennis was born on May 13, 1961 in Trenton, N.J. But Philander, who was enlisted in the Air Force, lived up to his name and abandoned the family. Shirley took the children and moved to Dallas in 1965 and filed for divorce. She then took odd jobs - as many as four at once - to support the family.
Dennis was an introvert who showed little athletic inclination. Only 5-foot-6, he was cut from the football team his freshman year at South Oak Cliff High School. He later quit the basketball team midway through his freshman season, unhappy with riding the bench.
With no prospects after graduation in 1979, Rodman took a series of menial jobs. While an overnight janitor at the Dallas-Fort Worth airport, he was arrested for stealing watches from a store in the airport. When the police recovered the watches and learned that Rodman gave them away, the charges were dropped.
A friend of Rodman's family alerted the coaching staff at Cooke County Junior College in Gainesville, Texas, that Rodman, who spurted from under six-foot to 6-foot-7 after high school, had developed into a force on the playgrounds. He lasted one semester at Cooke County, averaging 17.6 points and 13.3 rebounds, before flunking out.
In his brief stay, he was noticed by Southeastern Oklahoma State, and went there. Named first-team NAIA All-American three straight seasons, he averaged 25.7 points and 15.7 rebounds for his career.
At the Portsmouth Invitational, a pre-draft camp for NBA hopefuls, Rodman's stock soared as he won MVP honors. In 1986, the Pistons made the 25-year-old their second pick (No. 27 overall) in the draft.
Rodman played sparingly as a rookie, averaging 6.5 points and 4.3 rebounds. He made waves after Detroit was eliminated by Boston in the 1987 playoffs when he criticized Larry Bird's game and said that the only reason Bird won three MVPs is that he's white.
In 1987-88, Rodman averaged a career-high 11.6 points and increased his rebounding average to 8.7.
After leading the league in field-goal percentage at 59.5 percent the following season, in which the Pistons swept the Lakers in the 1989 NBA Finals, Rodman emerged as a starter. He was selected to the 1990 All-Star Game as a reserve and was named defensive player of the year after averaging 9.7 rebounds. The Pistons repeated as NBA champions with Rodman averaging 8.5 rebounds in the playoffs.
In 1990-91, Rodman again received defensive player of the year recognition and he finished second to David Robinson by averaging 12.5 rebounds.
His first rebounding title came the following season, when he averaged 18.7 rebounds, the league's highest mark since Chamberlain's 19.2 in 1971-72.
Rodman's life encountered a tailspin in May 1992 when Chuck Daly, whom the forward considered something of a father figure, resigned as coach. Rodman responded by skipping the start of preseason camp. After reporting, he was suspended without pay on November 20 and incurred $68,000 in fines.
That September, on his daughter Alexis' fourth birthday, Rodman had married Annie Bakes, with whom he had a relationship since 1986. By December, the marriage was floundering and Bakes took Alexis back to her hometown of Sacramento, devastating Rodman.
In February 1993, Rodman was found asleep in his truck in the parking lot outside the Palace of Auburn Hills with a loaded .22 caliber rifle. Rodman denied reports that he was considering suicide.
With all the turmoil, Rodman still averaged 18.3 rebounds to claim his second straight title. Despite missing 20 games, he collected a league best 1,132 rebounds.
Although he had three years and $11.8 million remaining on his contract, Rodman wanted a trade. He got his wish on Oct. 1, 1993, when the Pistons dealt him to the Spurs.
Before playing his first game for them, Rodman opted for a makeover by shaving his head and dying the remaining hair blonde. The new look only added to Rodman's growing bad boy image.
In December 1993, he was suspended one game and fined $7,500 for head-butting the Bulls' Stacey King. Less than two weeks later, Rodman was fined $10,000 for refusing to leave the court after being ejected. In March 1994 he head-butted Utah's John Stockton and was fined $5,000.
Despite these misadventures, Rodman won his third straight rebounding title, averaging 17.3. But his biggest catch was Madonna. The two had a highly publicized romance that lasted two months in 1994. Perhaps taking a cue from the Material Girl, Rodman got even more outrageous, adding cross-dressing to his resume.
Before the 1994-95 season, Rodman was upset when the Spurs refused to extend his contract. He took a leave of absence until December 12. After joining the team, he suffered a shoulder separation in a motorcycle accident, limiting his season to 49 games. He still qualified for the rebounding title, and won his fourth straight by averaging 16.8.
After the season, the Spurs traded him to the Bulls for Will Perdue. He won a fifth consecutive rebounding title by averaging 14.9 and helped bring a championship back to Chicago after a two-year absence. In Game 2 against Seattle, he tied a Finals record with 11 offensive rebounds.
Rodman received a $9-million contract for 1996-97 and responded by winning a sixth straight rebounding title, averaging 16.1. But he made more news for receiving an 11-game suspension - the second longest in NBA history - for intentionally kicking cameraman Eugene Amos in the groin after tripping over Amos while chasing a loose ball. Rodman paid Amos $200,000 to drop all legal charges. The Bulls won another title.
Rodman's string of rebounding championships reached seven in 1998 when he averaged 15 and the Bulls won their third straight title. A free agent after the season, he signed with the Lakers in February 1999, but was released after 23 games. In his final season (1999-2000), he appeared in 12 games for Dallas.
Since retiring from the NBA, Newport Beach (Calif.) police have gone to Rodman's home more than 70 times because of loud parties. He also was convicted of drunken driving. In 2002, he was arrested for obstructing officers investigating a code violation at his seaside restaurant. Prosecutors did not press charges.
Rodman, King or Queen of Rebounds?
By Mike Puma
Special to ESPN.com
"Dennis said, 'I know that I'll crash. The money will be gone, the fame will be gone. But in my heart, I'll know that I lived the way I wanted to live. And I'm okay. I had nothing before and I'll end up with nothing,' " said Sports Illustrated writer Michael Silver on ESPN Classic's SportsCentury series.
Dennis Rodman brought color to the NBA, both literally and figuratively. Fans had a better chance of guessing his rebound total than what shade of the rainbow might shoot through his hair on any given night.
Rodman added body piercings and tattoos to the mix, only bolstering his image as a bad boy. On the court, the lanky 6-foot-8 forward was a savage rebounder and defender who forged a standout career by leaving the scoring to others.
In 14 seasons, Rodman averaged 7.3 points and 13.1 rebounds. For seven consecutive years he led the league in rebounding, an NBA record.
"There's nobody out there who can do what I do," Rodman wrote in his autobiography, Bad As I Wanna Be.
Only Wilt Chamberlain, with 10, won more rebounding titles than Rodman, who played for five championship teams and appeared in two All-Star Games. Twice the league's defensive player of the year, Rodman made the all-defensive first team seven times.
But for all his accomplishments, Rodman is remembered more for creating controversy and trouble, especially his 11-game suspension in 1997 for kicking a cameraman in the groin. His outrageous behavior peaked in the mid-1990s when he became romantically involved with pop icon Madonna and later appeared at a book signing wearing a wedding dress.
Rodman's moodiness - besides suspensions he missed practices and games with the Detroit Pistons and San Antonio Spurs because he was upset with management - made him one of the game's most unpredictable players.
"He scares both coaches every time he steps on the court," said Bob Hill, who coached Rodman with the Spurs.
The oldest of Philander and Shirley Rodman's three children, Dennis was born on May 13, 1961 in Trenton, N.J. But Philander, who was enlisted in the Air Force, lived up to his name and abandoned the family. Shirley took the children and moved to Dallas in 1965 and filed for divorce. She then took odd jobs - as many as four at once - to support the family.
Dennis was an introvert who showed little athletic inclination. Only 5-foot-6, he was cut from the football team his freshman year at South Oak Cliff High School. He later quit the basketball team midway through his freshman season, unhappy with riding the bench.
With no prospects after graduation in 1979, Rodman took a series of menial jobs. While an overnight janitor at the Dallas-Fort Worth airport, he was arrested for stealing watches from a store in the airport. When the police recovered the watches and learned that Rodman gave them away, the charges were dropped.
A friend of Rodman's family alerted the coaching staff at Cooke County Junior College in Gainesville, Texas, that Rodman, who spurted from under six-foot to 6-foot-7 after high school, had developed into a force on the playgrounds. He lasted one semester at Cooke County, averaging 17.6 points and 13.3 rebounds, before flunking out.
In his brief stay, he was noticed by Southeastern Oklahoma State, and went there. Named first-team NAIA All-American three straight seasons, he averaged 25.7 points and 15.7 rebounds for his career.
At the Portsmouth Invitational, a pre-draft camp for NBA hopefuls, Rodman's stock soared as he won MVP honors. In 1986, the Pistons made the 25-year-old their second pick (No. 27 overall) in the draft.
Rodman played sparingly as a rookie, averaging 6.5 points and 4.3 rebounds. He made waves after Detroit was eliminated by Boston in the 1987 playoffs when he criticized Larry Bird's game and said that the only reason Bird won three MVPs is that he's white.
In 1987-88, Rodman averaged a career-high 11.6 points and increased his rebounding average to 8.7.
After leading the league in field-goal percentage at 59.5 percent the following season, in which the Pistons swept the Lakers in the 1989 NBA Finals, Rodman emerged as a starter. He was selected to the 1990 All-Star Game as a reserve and was named defensive player of the year after averaging 9.7 rebounds. The Pistons repeated as NBA champions with Rodman averaging 8.5 rebounds in the playoffs.
In 1990-91, Rodman again received defensive player of the year recognition and he finished second to David Robinson by averaging 12.5 rebounds.
His first rebounding title came the following season, when he averaged 18.7 rebounds, the league's highest mark since Chamberlain's 19.2 in 1971-72.
Rodman's life encountered a tailspin in May 1992 when Chuck Daly, whom the forward considered something of a father figure, resigned as coach. Rodman responded by skipping the start of preseason camp. After reporting, he was suspended without pay on November 20 and incurred $68,000 in fines.
That September, on his daughter Alexis' fourth birthday, Rodman had married Annie Bakes, with whom he had a relationship since 1986. By December, the marriage was floundering and Bakes took Alexis back to her hometown of Sacramento, devastating Rodman.
In February 1993, Rodman was found asleep in his truck in the parking lot outside the Palace of Auburn Hills with a loaded .22 caliber rifle. Rodman denied reports that he was considering suicide.
With all the turmoil, Rodman still averaged 18.3 rebounds to claim his second straight title. Despite missing 20 games, he collected a league best 1,132 rebounds.
Although he had three years and $11.8 million remaining on his contract, Rodman wanted a trade. He got his wish on Oct. 1, 1993, when the Pistons dealt him to the Spurs.
Before playing his first game for them, Rodman opted for a makeover by shaving his head and dying the remaining hair blonde. The new look only added to Rodman's growing bad boy image.
In December 1993, he was suspended one game and fined $7,500 for head-butting the Bulls' Stacey King. Less than two weeks later, Rodman was fined $10,000 for refusing to leave the court after being ejected. In March 1994 he head-butted Utah's John Stockton and was fined $5,000.
Despite these misadventures, Rodman won his third straight rebounding title, averaging 17.3. But his biggest catch was Madonna. The two had a highly publicized romance that lasted two months in 1994. Perhaps taking a cue from the Material Girl, Rodman got even more outrageous, adding cross-dressing to his resume.
Before the 1994-95 season, Rodman was upset when the Spurs refused to extend his contract. He took a leave of absence until December 12. After joining the team, he suffered a shoulder separation in a motorcycle accident, limiting his season to 49 games. He still qualified for the rebounding title, and won his fourth straight by averaging 16.8.
After the season, the Spurs traded him to the Bulls for Will Perdue. He won a fifth consecutive rebounding title by averaging 14.9 and helped bring a championship back to Chicago after a two-year absence. In Game 2 against Seattle, he tied a Finals record with 11 offensive rebounds.
Rodman received a $9-million contract for 1996-97 and responded by winning a sixth straight rebounding title, averaging 16.1. But he made more news for receiving an 11-game suspension - the second longest in NBA history - for intentionally kicking cameraman Eugene Amos in the groin after tripping over Amos while chasing a loose ball. Rodman paid Amos $200,000 to drop all legal charges. The Bulls won another title.
Rodman's string of rebounding championships reached seven in 1998 when he averaged 15 and the Bulls won their third straight title. A free agent after the season, he signed with the Lakers in February 1999, but was released after 23 games. In his final season (1999-2000), he appeared in 12 games for Dallas.
Since retiring from the NBA, Newport Beach (Calif.) police have gone to Rodman's home more than 70 times because of loud parties. He also was convicted of drunken driving. In 2002, he was arrested for obstructing officers investigating a code violation at his seaside restaurant. Prosecutors did not press charges.
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now here's a joke ...
New York Knicks Total: $102,442,544
Allan Houston .............. $17,531,250
Anfernee Hardaway .......... $14,625,000
Stephon Marbury ............ $14,625,000
Tim Thomas ................. $12,900,000
Shandon Anderson ........... $7,300,000 [released 11/10]
Jerome Williams ............ $6,187,500
Kurt Thomas ................ $5,884,500
Jamal Crawford ............. $5,760,000
Nazr Mohammed .............. $5,250,000
Moochie Norris ............. $3,850,000
Vin Baker .................. $3,500,000
Mike Sweetney .............. $1,978,920
John Amaechi ............... $1,200,000 [released]
Bruno Sundov ............... $870,046 [minimum, counts
Jamison Brewer ............. $720,046 [minimum]
Trevor Ariza ............... $385,277 [minimum]
New York Knicks Total: $102,442,544
Allan Houston .............. $17,531,250
Anfernee Hardaway .......... $14,625,000
Stephon Marbury ............ $14,625,000
Tim Thomas ................. $12,900,000
Shandon Anderson ........... $7,300,000 [released 11/10]
Jerome Williams ............ $6,187,500
Kurt Thomas ................ $5,884,500
Jamal Crawford ............. $5,760,000
Nazr Mohammed .............. $5,250,000
Moochie Norris ............. $3,850,000
Vin Baker .................. $3,500,000
Mike Sweetney .............. $1,978,920
John Amaechi ............... $1,200,000 [released]
Bruno Sundov ............... $870,046 [minimum, counts
Jamison Brewer ............. $720,046 [minimum]
Trevor Ariza ............... $385,277 [minimum]
Not sure what surprises me the most...
Tim Thomas getting more than Kurt Thomas and Crawford combined, or the fact that Moochie Norris is getting approx. $3, 850, 499 more than he is worth.
Tim Thomas getting more than Kurt Thomas and Crawford combined, or the fact that Moochie Norris is getting approx. $3, 850, 499 more than he is worth.
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Brown is an excellent coach and accomplished a lot but I think Popovich is a better coach and accomplished more. Yet the media constantly puts Brown on pedestal and omits the facts.
Brown has been to finals 3 times with 1 championship. All 3 teams came from the East. Pop has been to finals 3 times with 3 NBA championships. Pop has had to compete in West every season.
Lets not forget Brown these last 2 years has not beaten hardly any healthy playoff opponents and benefited greatly with opposing teams star players playing injured. Like it or not, that is the truth! The year he went to finals with Iverson, the East was a joke.
Brown did do great job with Billups improvement and making RIP a better player, but he never coached these players when they entered the league. Some players take a while to develop/mature so maybe we can't give Brown all the credit but the fact is they changed for the better under Brown.
Does anybody think Popovich would make R. Wallace a better player? Pop is a no nonsense coach who doesn't give star treatment. On top of that, all his players love to play for him. I think Pop would sit R. Wallace on bench until he saw the light and reached his potential. Look at how Glen Robinson turned into a decent defensive player under POP while everyone thought he was lazy on defense.
Coaching is about putting your team in the best situation to win and getting the most out of your players. Everyone agrees Brown is not getting the most out of Rasheed Wallace. That is a big deal since Pistons rely heavily on R. Wallace.
Brown is an excellent coach and accomplished a lot but I think Popovich is a better coach and accomplished more. Yet the media constantly puts Brown on pedestal and omits the facts.
Brown has been to finals 3 times with 1 championship. All 3 teams came from the East. Pop has been to finals 3 times with 3 NBA championships. Pop has had to compete in West every season.
Lets not forget Brown these last 2 years has not beaten hardly any healthy playoff opponents and benefited greatly with opposing teams star players playing injured. Like it or not, that is the truth! The year he went to finals with Iverson, the East was a joke.
Brown did do great job with Billups improvement and making RIP a better player, but he never coached these players when they entered the league. Some players take a while to develop/mature so maybe we can't give Brown all the credit but the fact is they changed for the better under Brown.
Does anybody think Popovich would make R. Wallace a better player? Pop is a no nonsense coach who doesn't give star treatment. On top of that, all his players love to play for him. I think Pop would sit R. Wallace on bench until he saw the light and reached his potential. Look at how Glen Robinson turned into a decent defensive player under POP while everyone thought he was lazy on defense.
Coaching is about putting your team in the best situation to win and getting the most out of your players. Everyone agrees Brown is not getting the most out of Rasheed Wallace. That is a big deal since Pistons rely heavily on R. Wallace.
Who has gotten more out of Wallace than L Brown?Most NBA experts who work in the league think RWallace has resurrected his career based on his performance in Detroit.Perhaps the experts at Madjacks are seeing him do it on occassion and mistaking him for a guy that could just as easily do it all the time.Portland got less out of Wallace than Detroit did.
it is hard for me to respect any pro who makes that kind of money that turns it on when he wants. to make matters worse he is a thug from unc. let's talk about his criminal record.
Scott- You couldn't be more wrong. Rasheed Wallace has developed incredibly on the defensive end under Brown. Light years ahead of where he used to be defensively. On offense, he has regressed, mainly because he has not been the focal point of the offense, and he's subjected himself to becoming more of a perimeter oriented player.
Brown has coached over 30 years in every league/level imaginable. I believe he's had 3 or 4 losing seasons out of those 30+ years. That's a testament to incredible coaching. He got the Clippers to the postseason for christ-sakes...that's almost akin to winning an NBA title.
Popovich is a very good coach. But as is the case with many great coaches, they usually need an elite player or two to win them championships. Pop has had the good fortune of having Tim Duncan his entire career. Brown led a Pistons team with no superstar to a title last season. How many teams without an elite player have won NBA titles in the past 25 years?
Two excellent coaches, but you are certainly not giving Larry Brown the respect he is due. He is, undoubtedly, one of the great basketball coaches in the history of the game.
Brown has coached over 30 years in every league/level imaginable. I believe he's had 3 or 4 losing seasons out of those 30+ years. That's a testament to incredible coaching. He got the Clippers to the postseason for christ-sakes...that's almost akin to winning an NBA title.
Popovich is a very good coach. But as is the case with many great coaches, they usually need an elite player or two to win them championships. Pop has had the good fortune of having Tim Duncan his entire career. Brown led a Pistons team with no superstar to a title last season. How many teams without an elite player have won NBA titles in the past 25 years?
Two excellent coaches, but you are certainly not giving Larry Brown the respect he is due. He is, undoubtedly, one of the great basketball coaches in the history of the game.
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well said Hoops, LB is def. a hero of mine and most respected coach by his brethren in NBA ... his teams have always played the NC overplay defense and been unselfish, with the only exception being AI--how he stomached that crap I never understood ... AI will never come close to winning again w/o LB, lets mull that for a while
regardless of sheeds improvement he should do more. he gets into foul trouble far too frequently and still too many techs. who in the east is more tallented than wallace (removing shaq) as a big man? to whom much is given, much is required. he is one of the most dissapointing talent i can think of in the nba. he lacks desire to dominate and it is evident by his inconsistent contributions. duncan is more fundamental, but wallace is more athletic. wallace gives det a swagger and attitude - but he should deliver more.
ps. point a finger at rip in this series - he played every other game at best.
ps. point a finger at rip in this series - he played every other game at best.
