Republicans change rules to protect crooked DeLay

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This ended up passing, of course.


GOP Pushes Rule Change to Protect DeLay's Post

By Charles Babington
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, November 17, 2004; Page A01

House Republicans proposed changing their rules last night to allow members indicted by state grand juries to remain in a leadership post, a move that would benefit Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) in case he is charged by a Texas grand jury that has indicted three of his political associates, according to GOP leaders.

The proposed rule change, which several leaders predicted would win approval at a closed meeting today, comes as House Republicans return to Washington feeling indebted to DeLay for the slightly enhanced majority they won in this month's elections. DeLay led an aggressive redistricting effort in Texas last year that resulted in five Democratic House members retiring or losing reelection. It also triggered a grand jury inquiry into fundraising efforts related to the state legislature's redistricting actions.

House GOP leaders and aides said many rank-and-file Republicans are eager to change the rule to help DeLay, and will do so if given a chance at today's closed meeting. A handful of them have proposed language for changing the rule, and they will be free to offer amendments, officials said.


House Republicans adopted the indictment rule in 1993, when they were trying to end four decades of Democratic control of the House, in part by highlighting Democrats' ethical lapses. They said at the time that they held themselves to higher standards than prominent Democrats such as then-Ways and Means Chairman Dan Rostenkowski (Ill.), who eventually pleaded guilty to mail fraud and was sentenced to prison.

The GOP rule drew little notice until this fall, when DeLay's associates were indicted and Republican lawmakers began to worry that their majority leader might be forced to step aside if the grand jury targeted him next. Democrats and watchdog groups blasted the Republicans' proposal last night.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said last night: "If they make this rules change, Republicans will confirm yet again that they simply do not care if their leaders are ethical. If Republicans believe that an indicted member should be allowed to hold a top leadership position in the House of Representatives, their arrogance is astonishing."

House Republicans recognize that DeLay fought fiercely to widen their majority, and they are eager to protect him from an Austin-based investigation they view as baseless and partisan, said Rep. Eric I. Cantor (Va.), the GOP's chief deputy whip.

"That's why this [proposed rule change] is going to pass, assuming it's submitted, because there is a tremendous recognition that Tom DeLay led on the issue to produce five more seats" for the Republicans, Cantor said after emerging from a meeting in which the Republican Conference welcomed new members and reelected Hastert and DeLay as its top leaders.

Other Republicans agreed the conference is likely to change the rule if given the chance. An indictment is simply an unproven allegation that should not require a party leader to step aside, said Rep. Tom Feeney (R-Fla.). Rep. John Carter (R-Tex.), a former trial judge, said it makes sense to differentiate between federal and state indictments in shaping party rules because state grand juries often are led by partisan, elected prosecutors who may carry political grudges against lawmakers.

Republicans last night were tweaking the language of several proposals for changing the rule. The one drawing the most comment, by Rep. Henry Bonilla (Tex.), would allow leaders indicted by a state grand jury to stay on. However, a leader indicted by a federal court would have to step down at least temporarily.

"Congressman Bonilla's rule change is designed to prevent political manipulation of the process while preserving the original ethical principles of the rule," Bonilla spokeswoman Taryn Fritz Walpole said.

A Texas grand jury in September indicted three of DeLay's political associates on charges of using a political action committee to illegally collect corporate donations and funnel them to Texas legislative races. The group, Texans for a Republican Majority Political Action Committee, is closely associated with DeLay. DeLay says he has not acted improperly and has no reason to believe he is a target of the grand jury, which continues to look into the TRMPAC matter.

The House ethics committee on Oct. 6 admonished DeLay for asking federal aviation officials to track an airplane involved in the highly contentious 2003 redistricting battle, and for conduct that suggested political donations might influence legislative action. The ethics panel deferred action on a complaint related to TRMPAC, noting that the grand jury has not finished its work.
 

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agreed...get rid of DeLay

most dont even like him in TX.....barely won last election in one of the most conservative districts in the country
 

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being a Texan, surely you know what a nutcase, Ronnie Earl From Austin is. This fruitcake indicted himself, and plead guilty, and paid a $200 fine so that he could keep his job. He is one of the most activist liberal judges in the country. His vendetta against Delay stems from the fact that Delay spearheaded redistricting-
earning the repubs 5 more house seats. Guess he was pissed that the dems gerrymandering days were done. Knowing the rules of the house republicans (the dems have no such rule) , he figured he could pull a fast one down at the peoples republic of Austin. Check it out.
 

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took the words out of my mouth Derm, granted Delay is shady (and if guilty throw his a** in jail!!)but for the left to be pontificating this when they do not even have anything in place is laughable and the machine achieved their "spin". Pelosi was asked about the checks and balances for the left on the same issue (after her comments) and was not aware that there were none, she looked like a deer in the headlights.
 
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What difference does it make. The country is being run by thieves and criminals and we love it, sore a** and all. 58 million people can tie their shoelaces without bending their knees.
 

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Go back and read the article. Yes its the Washington post. What a sleazy comparison to that criminal dem, Old Rosty. Tom Delay is no angel. He is playing the smashmouth
politics that the dems have for years. The only real difference between him and Pelosi, and Daschle is that he is less transparent, and doesn't smile as pretty. Does it feel better to you when someone is smiling as they bend you over? Rosty smiled alot.
 

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Domyderm,

There was no 'comparison' to Rosty. It's a seemingly very obvious fact that as a result of Rosty, the Pubs enacted this rule in order to highlight their high ethical standards.

And can you even be serious talking about 'gerrymandering days' of dems after what DeLay pulled?

Ryson,

While it may be true that the Dems don't have the rule, what good is it really, when you revoke it in response to it actually being put into action. They took whatever political gain they received for 11 years, but when it actually became a potential issue, they drop it.

Is that really better than not having it at all?

Freeze and Wayne,

Thanks for honest responses.
 

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I think rather than taking political sides, everone in this forum just wants justice served, regardless of who it is. I don't know the ins and outs of this one but if he did it, he shouldn't be covered for by congress or anyone for that matter. Just another case of will we really ever know all the facts or truth for that matter. To many agendas around. :rolleyes:
 

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Mr. Kosar,
With all due respect, you don't live anywhere near this state, and if you get your news about the lone star state from the Austin American Statesman, the Dallas Morning News' the wash post, or the NY Times, it probably is about as balanced as Pikes Peak. One district a created b the dems 16 years ago stretched almost from
San Antonio to Corpus Christie, almost 90 miles long and only about 8 miles wide at one point. This was certainly due to promote diversity, and ecological balance. Look at the new district map. There are no salamander shaped gerrymanders.
 
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