Republicans Look to Cut SS and Medicare Benefits

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This is what America gets. I used to feel sorry for the uneducated but i've about reached my tipping point. When you are this stupid to elect these assholes that don't give a fuck about you what do you expect?
 

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Universal suffrage sounds like a really neat idea until you see the results. There are many who are too stupid to vote their own best interests.

No one should be allowed to vote unless and until they can pass the examination required to become a citizen.

That would leave most of the teabaggers out.

I mean...do you want his guy voting - ?

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Social Security and Medicare benefits now exceed the payroll taxes that fund them.

Leaving all of the other stuff out of it, do you not have an issue with this? And yes I have a huge issue with "Rich" tax loopholes. Bring on the flat tax.
 
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bout damn time they got spending under control :toast:

Just as dumb as you've ever been. You've been on here for how many years and haven't learned a fucking thing. You ever wonder why the only people who like are you are old racist fucks?
 

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Just as dumb as you've ever been. You've been on here for how many years and haven't learned a fucking thing. You ever wonder why the only people who like are you are old racist fucks?

I have my own mind and make my own decisions, just because they are different than you opinion doesnt mean I am wrong
 
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I just took a 20 question practice test and got 2 wrong out of 20:facepalm: I was unaware that the Speaker of the House is next in line after Pres and VP:facepalm: Can anyone imagine Mr. Emotional leding the country:scared
Just took the test. I got tripped up on question #16 (What is the Supreme law of the land?). I answered "The right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".

My old poli-sci professor would never forgive me. :SIB
 

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Just took the test. I got tripped up on question #16 (What is the Supreme law of the land?). I answered "The right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".

My old poli-sci professor would never forgive me. :SIB

i have been watching Fox News and listening to nitwit neo-con radio for the past two years and I ended up getting two right. I got the Vice President question right because i recognized that name from the insults he gets on Fox and i got the Speaker of the house right because i heard that name from all the blow jobs he gets from Fox. Other than those i did pretty poorly. I do need to do some more research on this question cause i can't believe i got this one wrong. The Federalist Papers supported the passage of the U.S. Constitution.

Name one of the writers.
The other news source i use is right here on this site and i could have sworn Illumy was one of the writers :shrug: Ron Paul :shrug: Maybe a Tea bagger :shrug:
 

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Good grief! Only 30% know the Constitution is the Supreme law of the land.

It's worse than I thought.

No wonder we elect such a bunch of turds:facepalm: .
 

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In my opinion, bringing up social security or medicare cuts is political suicide. Unfortunately, changes need to be made. When these programs were implemented, the life-span in the US was much lower than it is today. Couple that with the retiring baby-boomer generation, and costs will exceed revenue very soon. I have added some stats that I have pulled up ? I am looking for another site for the life span calculations as well but am very busy at work.
At some point, for some generation, age limit will need to be increased and benefits will need to be reduced. It is simple economics. Higher taxes on it will also probably be necessary. This probably could have been avoided if the money that went into the Social Security Trust Fund would have been kept there rather than allowing it to be used for other purposes and dropping an IOU into the account for the money that was spent. When Social Security was implemented by FDR, the money was to be put in it?s own account and only used to pay benefits. Somehow, Nixon convinced Congress to put the money in the General Fund so that it could be used for any purpose??getting Congress to pull SS $ out of the General Fund and put it back into its own fund would be my first step in fixing the problem.

Some stats?..

Beneficiaries and Costs
? Year - Beneficiaries - Dollars
? 1937 - 53,236 - $1,278,000
? 1938 - 213,670 - $10,478,000
? 1939 - 174,839 - $13,896,000
? 1940 - 222,488 - $35,000,000
? 1950 - 3,477,243 - $961,000,000
? 1960 - 14,844,589 - $11,245,000,000
? 1970 - 26,228,629 - $31,863,000,000
? 1980 - 35,584,955 - $120,511,000,000
? 1990 - 39,832,125 - $247,796,000,000
? 1995 - 43,387,259 - $332,553,000,000
? 1996 - 43,736,836 - $347,088,000,000
? 1997 - 43,971,086 - $361,970,000,000
? 1998 - 44,245,731 - $374,990,000,000
? 1999 - 44,595,624 - $385,768,000,000
? 2000 - 45,414,794 - $407,644,000,000
? 2001 - 45,877,506 - $431,949,000,000
? 2002 - 46,444,317 - $453,746,000,000
? 2003 - 47,038,486 - $470,778,000,000
? 2004 - 47,687,693 - $493,263,000,000
? 2005 - 48,434,436 - $520,748,000,000
? 2006 - 49,122,624 - $546,238,000,000
? 2007 - 49,864,838 - $584,939,000,000
? 2008 - 50,898,244 - $615,344,000,000
? 2009 ? 53 million - $686,000,000,000 ? ($807,000,000,000 paid in by 153 million ? surplus of $121 Billion)

Unfortunately, it is labeled the Social Security Trust fund but it is not a trust. The surplus is allowed to be used by the government for other purposes as mentioned below and that is where the trouble comes in. The trust fund is given Treasury notes that it is owed money by the US Treasury. But, the money has been spent. As the US Gov?t is already in the red for $14 Trillion not including money owed to Social Security, it is a real issue.
Tables published by the government's National Center for Health Statistics show that life expectancy at birth was 47.3 years in 1900, rose to 68.2 by 1950 and reached 77.3 in 2002. The latest annual report of the Social Security trustees projects that life expectancy will increase just six years in the next seven decades, to 83 in 2075. A separate set of projections, by the Census Bureau, shows more rapid growth.
(from wiki below)
Social Security is a social insurance program officially called "Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance" (OASDI), in reference to its three components. It is primarily funded through a dedicated payroll tax of 12.4%. During 2009, total benefits of $686 billion were paid out versus income (taxes and interest) of $807 billion, a $121 billion annual surplus. An estimated 156 million people paid into the program and 53 million received benefits, roughly 2.94 workers per beneficiary.. This annual surplus is credited to Social Security trust funds that hold special non-marketable Treasury securities, and this surplus amount is commonly referred to as the "Social Security Trust Fund". The proceeds are paid into the U.S. Treasury where they may be used for other government purposes. Social Security spending will increase sharply over the next decades, largely due to the retirement of the baby boom generation. The number of program recipients is expected to increase from 44 million in 2010 to 73 million in 2030.[34] Program spending is projected to rise from 4.8% of GDP in 2010 to 5.9% of GDP by 2030, where it will stabilize.
 

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Social Security and Medicare are wonderful programs, of enormous benefit, but presently both are being underfunded, SS by a little bit, Medicare by more.

Social Security is an easy fix if done promptly. A small increase in tax rate, or a raising of the wage cap, or an increase in eligibility age, or means testing, or a tiny bit of each. However, the financial shit doesn't hit the fan for another 20 years or so, so politicians may fail to do anything now, and postpone action until it is more painful later.

Medicare needs a heavier hand, and soon. Substantial increase in taxes, reduction of benefits, required copayments, reduction in payment to providers may all need to be done, and soon.

Expansion of Medicare to a non profit single-payer program covering everyone would reduce costs by elimination the reams of paperwork and for-profit insurers costs and profits. It's probably going to need some limits too, for example an 85 year old doesn't get a liver transplant unless he pays for it out of his own pocket.

Someone is going to be pissed off whatever is done about these programs, and I don't see more than a small handful of politicians who are willing to risk a single vote at reelection time, so expect they will continue to push issues like same-sex marriage and simple minded immigration laws.

Of course we could STOP our military adventures into places where we are not threatened, cut our military budget by 2/3, and have plenty of money. The TV watching John Wayne wannabees and military-industrial folks will never let that happen. Just look at John Boehner's alligator tears about loosing a superfluous engine program in Ohio.

As long as we continue electing hot-button pushing assholes instead of patriotic statesmen, we are doomed.
 

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Universal suffrage sounds like a really neat idea until you see the results. There are many who are too stupid to vote their own best interests.

No one should be allowed to vote unless and until they can pass the examination required to become a citizen.

I like it when I can agree with something you've said.
 
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