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Obama and McCain Spout Economic Nonsense
By KARL ROVE
June 19, 2008; Page A13

Barack Obama and John McCain are busy demonstrating that in close elections during tough economic times, candidates for president can be economically illiterate and irresponsibly populist.

In Raleigh, N.C., last week, Sen. Obama promised, "I'll make oil companies like Exxon pay a tax on their windfall profits, and we'll use the money to help families pay for their skyrocketing energy costs and other bills."

Set aside for a minute that Jimmy Carter passed a "windfall profits tax" to devastating effect, putting American oil companies at a competitive disadvantage to foreign competitors, virtually ending domestic energy exploration, and making the U.S. more dependent on foreign sources of oil and gas.

Instead ask this: Why should we stop with oil companies? They make about 8.3 cents in gross profit per dollar of sales. Why doesn't Mr. Obama slap a windfall profits tax on sectors of the economy that have fatter margins? Electronics make 14.5 cents per dollar and computer equipment makers take in 13.7 cents per dollar, according to the Census Bureau. Microsoft's margin is 27.5 cents per dollar of sales. Call out Mr. Obama's Windfall Profits Police!

It's not the profit margin, but the total number of dollars earned that is the problem, Mr. Obama might say. But if that were the case, why isn't he targeting other industries? Oil and gas companies made $86.5 billion in profits last year. At the same time, the financial services industry took in $498.5 billion in profits, the retail industry walked away with $137.5 billion, and information technology companies made off with $103.4 billion. What kind of special outrage does Mr. Obama have for these companies?

Sen. McCain doesn't support the windfall profits tax, but he can be as hostile to profits as Mr. Obama. "[W]e should look at any incentives that we are giving," Mr. McCain said in May, even as he talked up a gas tax "holiday" that would give drivers incentives to burn more gasoline.

This past Thursday, Mr. McCain came close to advocating a form of industrial policy, saying, "I'm very angry, frankly, at the oil companies not only because of the obscene profits they've made, but their failure to invest in alternate energy."

But oil and gas companies report that they have invested heavily in alternative energy. Out of the $46 billion spent researching alternative energy in North America from 2000 to 2005, $12 billion came from oil and gas companies, making the industry one of the nation's largest backers of wind and solar power, biofuels, lithium-ion batteries and fuel-cell technology.

Such investments, however, are not as important as money spent on technologies that help find and extract more oil. Because oil companies invested in innovation and technology, they are now tapping reserves that were formerly thought to be unrecoverable. Maybe we are all better off when oil companies invest in what they know, not what they don't.

And do we really want the government deciding how profits should be invested? If so, should Microsoft be forced to invest in Linux-based software or McDonald's in weight-loss research?

Mr. McCain's angry statement shows a lack of understanding of the insights of Joseph Schumpeter, the 20th century economist who explained that capitalism is inherently unstable because a "perennial gale of creative destruction" is brought on by entrepreneurs who create new goods, markets and processes. The entrepreneur is "the pivot on which everything turns," Schumpeter argued, and "proceeds by competitively destroying old businesses."

Most dramatic change comes from new businesses, not old ones. Buggy whip makers did not create the auto industry. Railroads didn't create the airplane. Even when established industries help create new ones, old-line firms are often not as nimble as new ones. IBM helped give rise to personal computers, but didn't see the importance of software and ceded that part of the business to young upstarts who founded Microsoft.

So why should Mr. McCain expect oil and gas companies to lead the way in developing alternative energy? As with past technological change, new enterprises will likely be the drivers of alternative energy innovation.

Messrs. Obama and McCain both reveal a disturbing animus toward free markets and success. It is uncalled for and self-defeating for presidential candidates to demonize American companies. It is understandable that Mr. Obama, the most liberal member of the Senate, would endorse reckless policies that are the DNA of the party he leads. But Mr. McCain, a self-described Reagan Republican, should know better.
 

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Why would we want to believe anything this guy says. We must remember he was in bed with the Cheney secreat enegery plan. Look where that got us. And Obama is not going where Carter did. And Mc Cain changes his mind everyday latley so we realy have no idea what he's thinking.
 

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I'll give you that dud Kerry. But we all know Gore lost by on vote. And Carl with some luck will soon get his butt put in jail. Last guy folks should ever trust. Look at him close he has that evil look in his eyes. As for Obama and old John. Folks had a chance to select Romney and may wish they had in a few short years. He was best person running.
 

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`cause he kicked gore and kerry`s asses back to back and all he had to work with was the chimperor...

One of the planners of Iraq and should be in jail for the Plame Incident. But isn't it funny, once they get oil up 5 times more a barrel then when they took over they can't wait to start drilling. They all should be swinging from the gallows.
 

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One of the planners of Iraq and should be in jail for the Plame Incident. But isn't it funny, once they get oil up 5 times more a barrel then when they took over they can't wait to start drilling. They all should be swinging from the gallows.

the plame incident?.....stevie...that`s really funny....

what happened to plame and her hubby?...she became a millionaire and got her mug on the cover of vanity fair...

their the darlings of the washington moonbat set...

the really funny part,is that it was dick armitage that outted plame...that was proven when bob novak broke his silence....

but...because armitage was a critic of iraq,nobody cared...they were already on the bush/rove witch hunt...

the truth(which the prosecutor knew even before the trial)be damned...
 

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the plame incident?.....stevie...that`s really funny....

what happened to plame and her hubby?...she became a millionaire and got her mug on the cover of vanity fair...

their the darlings of the washington moonbat set...

the really funny part,is that it was dick armitage that outted plame...that was proven when bob novak broke his silence....

but...because armitage was a critic of iraq,nobody cared...they were already on the bush/rove witch hunt...

the truth(which the prosecutor knew even before the trial)be damned...

GW, why are all your heroes unAmerican traitors? Other than that you seem to be a very good guy. You can rewrite history all you want but unfortunatly for you we lived through it and sone of still remember. Rove let the kiddee pornographer Libby take the fall while protecting Cheney. But hey, I hope things are good in your world because you really do seem like a good guy.
 

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GW, why are all your heroes unAmerican traitors? Other than that you seem to be a very good guy. .

appearances can be deceiving,buddy:SIB

plame`s old man`s no hero of mine...and he fits that bill to a tee...

"she" sends him to niger to find out if saddam was interested in buying yellowcake...all in the interest of discrediting the adm.`s findings........turns out saddam actually did make overtures to niger for the uranium(niger basically,aside from goats,has no other export) ....

and weirdly enough,wilson`s report indicated that saddam was trying to set up a deal with niger......niger tirned him down because he was on the u.n.`s shit list and niger would have gotten their own asses sanctioned....

but,this political hack tells the media a different story....

am i goin` to fast?.....

yeah,that`s the stuff heros are made of...
 

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GW, you seem to have a real hatred for everyone who was right about what would happen if invaded Iraq. And strangely enough you seem to hold in high esteem everyone who was wrong about what would happen. Not only that but you still take their advise.
 

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I have no interest in commenting on Rove outside of this article. That being said, this article is lucid an on point. I am all about energy independence and sustainability, neither of which is going to come about by excessive taxation.
 

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I have no interest in commenting on Rove outside of this article. That being said, this article is lucid an on point. I am all about energy independence and sustainability, neither of which is going to come about by excessive taxation.
I agree about the taxes because the Oil Companies will only pass the tax back on us. But what Rove does not mention is that our national security is at stake. Big Oil pushing the prices so high and their never before realized profits have sent the whole economy into a tailspin. It is the working class who is suffering the most from this. It is great when the free market works but in this case there has clearly been collusion among at the very least Big Oil and because of the secret energy meetings it appears the Gov't is part of it.
 
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