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AR182

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I read this article awhile ago & thought some of my fellow posters would find this interesting:


Saddam and al Qaeda
By David Rose for the Evening Standard
9 December 2002

Despite their bitter divisions over possible war in Iraq, doves and many hawks on this side of the Atlantic share a common, often-stated belief: that there is "no evidence" of a link between Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network and Saddam Hussein's regime. In London and Washington, the Foreign Office, MI6, the State Department and the CIA have been spinning this claim to reporters for more than a decade, long before the attacks of 11 September last year. Constant repetition of an erroneous position does not, however, make it true. Having investigated the denial of an Iraqi connection for more than a year, I am convinced it is false. The strongest evidence comes from a surprising source - the files of those same intelligence agencies who have spent so long publicly playing this connection down.

According to the conventional wisdom, Saddam is a "secular" dictator, whose loathing for Islamic fundamentalism is intense, while Bin Laden and his cohorts would like to kill the Iraqi president almost as much George W Bush. All reports of a link can be disregarded on this ground alone.

Though they may get scant attention, some of the facts of Saddam's involvement with Islamic terrorism are not disputed. Hamas, the fundamentalist Palestinian group, whose gift to the world is the suicide bomb, has maintained a Baghdad office - funded by Saddam - for many years. His intelligence service, the Mukhabarat, has a special department whose sole function is liaison with Hamas. In return, Hamas has praised Saddam extravagantly on its website and on paper.

Since his defeat in the Gulf War in 1991, Saddam's supposed secularism has looked decidedly thin. Increasingly, he has relied on Islamist rhetoric in an attempt to rally the "Arab street". Meanwhile, Osama bin Laden's 1998 fatwa justified its call for Muslims to kill American and Jewish civilians on the basis of a lengthy critique of US hostility towards "secularraq.

It is also undisputed that Iraqi-sponsored assassins tried to kill George Bush senior on a visit to the Gulf in 1993. The same year, Abdul Rahman Yasin mixed and made the
truck bomb which wrought destruction and killed six in the first New York World Trade Center attack - then coolly boarded a plane for Baghdad, where he still resides.

There is strong evidence that Ramzi Yousef, leader of both the 1993 New York bombing and a failed attempt two years later to down 12 American airliners over the Pacific, was an Iraqi intelligence officer. All this was known in the Nineties. Nevertheless, the "no connection" argument was rapidly becoming orthodoxy.

The 9/11 attacks were, selfevidently, a failure of intelligence: no one saw them coming. Awareness of this failure, and its possible consequences for individuals' careers, are the only reasons I can find for the wall of spin which the spooks have fed to the media almost ever since.

Iraq must have been more intensely spied upon than any other country throughout the 1990s. If the agencies missed a Saddam-al Qaeda connection, it might reasonably be argued, then many heads should roll.

My own doubts emerged more than a year ago, when a very senior CIA man told me that, contrary to the line his own colleagues were assiduously disseminating, there was evidence of an Iraq-al Qaeda link.

He confirmed a story I had been told by members of the anti-Saddam Iraqi National Congress - that two of the hijackers, Marwan Al-Shehhi and Ziad Jarrah, had met Mukhabarat officers in the months before 9/11 in the United Arab Emirates.

This, he said, was part of a pattern of contact between Iraq and al Qaeda which went back years.

Yet the attempts to refute the link were feverish. The best known example is the strange case of the meetings in Prague between Mohamed Atta, the 9/11 plot's alleged leader, and Khalil Al-Ani, a Mukhabarat sabotage expert.

For at least the third time, The New York Times tried at the end of October to rebut the claim that the Prague meetings ever happened, reporting that the Czech President Vaclav Havel had phoned the White House to tell Bush that it was fiction.

Barely had the paper hit the streets before Havel's spokesman stated publicly that the story was a "fabrication".

Not only had Havel not phoned Bush, the Czechs remained convinced that Atta did meet Al-Ani. They had been tracking him continuously because his predecessor had been caught red-handed - in a plot to detonate a terrorist bomb.

As I reveal in Vanity Fair, earlier this year the Pentagon established a special intelligence unit to re-examine evidence of an Iraq-al Qaeda relationship. After initially fighting the proposal, the CIA agreed to supply this unit with copies of its own reports going back 10 years. I have spoken to three senior officials who have seen its conclusions, which are striking.

"In the Cold War,ays one of them, "often you'd draw firm conclusions and make policy on the basis of just four or five reports. Here there are almost 100 separate examples of Iraq-al Qaeda co-operation going back to 1992.

All these reports, says the official, were given the CIA's highest credibility rating - defined as information from a source which had proven reliable in the past.

At least one concerns Bin Laden personally, who is said to have spent weeks with a top Mukhabarat officer in Afghanistan in 1998.

This week, attention remains focused on the UN weapons inspectors, and the deadline for Iraq's declaration of any weapons of mass destruction. But the recent Security Council resolution also noted Iraq's failure to abandon support for international terror, as it had promised at the end of the 1991 Gulf War. If there were the political will - rather a big if, admittedly - this could constitute a casus belli every bit as legitimate as Iraqi possession of a nuclear weapon.

Ignoring Iraq's support for terror is a seductive proposition, which fits pleasingly with democracies' natural reluctance to wage war. But if we are serious about winning the war on terror, self-delusion is not an option.

An attempt to achieve regime change in Iraq would not be a distraction, but an integral part of the struggle.


David Rose is a contributing editor to Vanity Fair magazine. His article on Saddam, al Qaeda and the Iraqis appears in the current issue.
 
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I'm very surprised that with all of the posters on this forum having opinions about iraq, that there aren't any comments about this article.
 

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I didn't see it till today. It's interesting. If I felt like it, I'd chekc out the whole article. What's here is a lot of claims without a lot of backing. H

ere's a quote from your article.

"My own doubts emerged more than a year ago, when a very senior CIA man told me that, contrary to the line his own colleagues were assiduously disseminating, there was evidence of an Iraq-al Qaeda link. "

All right. He was told by a CIA-man, who was "contrary to the line his own colleagues were...disseminating." That's evidence now, that this conservative journalist found a guy in the CIA who disagreed with his colleagues?

"He confirmed a story I had been told by members of the anti-Saddam Iraqi National Congress - that two of the hijackers, Marwan Al-Shehhi and Ziad Jarrah, had met Mukhabarat officers in the months before 9/11 in the United Arab Emirates. "

Same guy "confirmed a story...told by members of the anti-Saddam Iraqi National Congress." More overwhelming evidence.

As far as it seems to me, Al Qaeda has been in and out of just about every country over there. Al Qaeda was HERE. That doesn't mean the state sponsored them or had knowledge about the attacks. There hardly seems to be evidence that the Iraqis knew even AS MUCH AS WE KNEW about the possibility of the attack.

The Prague meeting has been claimed, refuted, claimed again, refuted again. It may or may not have happened. What Vaclev Havel denied (from reading your story) was that he phoned Bush to tell him it was a fabrication. The Czechs claimed they met. The CIA claims they did not meet.

Everyone knows Saddam had a plan to assassinate Bush Sr. He hated him. That's been out there for 10 years.

There are reasons for going to war with Iraq. The weakest among them are these links to Al Qaeda.
 

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A couple of very powerful truths, Shrimp.

There are reasons for going to war with Iraq. The weakest among them are these links to Al Qaeda.

This is the saddest truth of all. BUT, the problem with everyday citizens is they need to attach it to somehting before they believe in it. I don't agree with our government trying to make connections here, but I understand why they do it. This one is backfiring in their face, though, because there is no proof.

Once again, I have to state that I trust our leaders (regardless of party) will do their best to protect my safety. The day that I am not comfortable with that fact, I will consider moving.
 

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I think the Americam puplic can understand reasons for what is going on. But dont buy into this part of it very well. Seems more believe in the weapons he has could get in wrong hands. Bush II is taking care of business from 91 and the price that was placed on his Dad head by Saddam. Many Americans believe he is gasing his own people on a ongoing bases. There are those who believe support for the fight with Israel is coming from Iraq.
I go with weapons thay may get used against others including us. And Saddam is helping others with there war against Israel. As for 9/11 or other ideas I dont buy in. And last but lets not forget there is some oil involved here. Lots of oil. We want to drill in Alaska because they believe there is 6 to 10 billion barrels of oil there. Iraq is believe to be sitting on 100 to 125 billion barrels.
They dig holes in the sand over there 15 feet deep and can hit oil. Anyway he has weapons hid. We dont want them given to real bad folks. That has not happen for last 15 years that he has had these weapons. I dont think it will happen in next 30 days or 3 months either. So lets get this invasion done right and not lose a lot of folks for being stupid.
 
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