saddam's sons---either captured or killed?

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nbc is right now reporting that saddam's sons have either been captured or killed. jim miklashevski(sp?) is reporting that the military in iraq have confirmed this. lets hope this is true. it will be a major morale boost for the troops.
 
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Saddam sons dead or in custody?

NBC News: Udai, Qusai targeted in raid in Mosul

BREAKING NEWS
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BAGHDAD, Iraq, July 22 ? Saddam Hussein?s fugitive sons, Udai and Qusai, are believed to have been killed or captured during a raid on a home early Tuesday in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul, military officials in Iraq and Washington told NBC News.

THE OFFICIALS, WHO spoke with NBC News on condition of anonymity, said there was a ?high likelihood? that the sons had been killed or captured, but that they were awaiting confirmation.
Witnesses to the raid said that U.S. troops encountered hostile fire when they arrived to search a large villa believed to belong to a cousin of Saddam near Mosul. The troops called in helicopters to subdue the resistance before storming the house, they said.
The house was badly damaged, and its roof caved in after it was apparently hit by a missile.
Lt. Col. William Bishop of the 101st Airborne Division said earlier that one Iraqi was killed and five were wounded in the raid.
In an interview with Reuters news agency, Bishop declined to identify the Iraqis apprehended, but said they were ?individuals of very high interest to the coalition forces.?
U.S. forces have announced the capture of 34 of the 55 Iraqis on a most-wanted list of members of Saddam?s regime, but Saddam and his sons have not been found.
U.S. officials say Saddam is probably still alive and hiding somewhere in Iraq. Audio tapes said to have been made by the deposed leader have been given to Arab television networks, exhorting Iraqis to fight occupying U.S. and British troops.
 

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blazer,

this is very big if it is true.it puts more pressure on saddam which means he is more likely to make a mistake & get caught. it also is a big step in providing more safety for the soldiers over there.


a few weeks ago, david kaye, who is in charge in finding wmd, was interviewed by tom brokaw. he said that there are millions of documents that they discovered & they are reading them that, he is sure, will verify saddam's wmd program. he said that it will take about 6 months for his team to write up the reports. he didn't say whether they actually have any of the wmd's or just written proof.
about a month ago i read an article where israeli intelligence suspects that saddam's wmds were smuggled into syria.
but i guess everything takes time.
 
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hey blazer don't ever let yourself smile okay?

and keep finding losses in the midst of our victories...thats the positive vision for America we all crave
 

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david kaye, who is in charge in finding wmd, was interviewed by tom brokaw. he said that there are millions of documents that they discovered & reading that will verify saddam's wmd program. he said that it will take about 6 months for his team to write up the reports

Bushs orders to David Kaye........."Get your ass over their and come up with something or else".............."When you get back we will have a cozy job for you"......"You know what this does to my re-election campaign if you dont find anything"......."I know since you have been an inspector before you will think of something"......"Now go David"....
 

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maverick,

you are putting quotes around what you think bush said, but you weren't present to what bush said to kaye, if at all that he actually met with kaye.

btw, kaye said that alot of the documents that they discovered was buried in iraqi people's yards.
 
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I have heard this two other times. So this time I wait to here forsure from the DNA. A victory forsure if true. But not what we went there for. But we take what we can get. Saddam is key. I say we have him in 10 days. The orders are out it's time, or some heads are going to roll. And you can count on that. We may not know all there names. But some folks over there in charge. I believe with all the chit Bush is getting at home right now. They can feal that fire comeing up there ass like a blow tourch.
 

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Reports now say they are certain they got the two pri#ks. :D
I hope it is true.
 

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the military in iraq just had a press conference & confirmed that the sons have been killed in this battle. it was confirmed by dna & the bodies have been identified by one of the cast of 55.

i heard the proof will be shown tomorrow.
 

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yes i am glad they got them and they are dead but not thrilled my tax money is paying 2 people 15 million for the tip and that was also confirmed. alittle steep i would say for 2 dust rats.
 

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here is another benefit of saddam's sons getting killed.


Stocks Rise on Saddam's Sons Report

Reuters
Tuesday, July 22, 2003; 3:19 PM

By Elizabeth Lazarowitz

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Stocks rose to session highs in late afternoon on Tuesday, bolstered by solid earnings from technology companies like Texas Instruments Inc. and spurred by news Saddam Hussein's two sons may have been killed in Iraq in a fight with U.S. troops.

A U.S. official told Reuters two of the bodies left during the firefight "bear a strong resemblance to" Saddam's sons Uday and Qusay. Another official said there was "high reason to believe" both were present at the site of a battle in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul.

Traders also said the market's drop over the past week was luring bargain-hunters, and the Standard & Poor's 500 index <.SPX> ability to hold above the technically significant 975 mark gave investors further confidence.

"It's a combination of things: a technical bounce, decent earnings in the tech space and decent earnings in financial sector," said David Memmott, head of listed block trading at Morgan Stanley. "You've had four out of the past five days down ... and we're just seeing a bit of a snapback."

After trading in the red for most of the morning, the Dow Jones industrial average <.DJI> rose 74.3 points, or 0.82 percent, to 9,170.99. The broader Standard & Poor's 500 Index <.SPX> gained 11.1 points, or 1.13 percent, to 989.90. The technology-laced Nasdaq Composite Index <.IXIC> was up 27.99 points, or 1.66 percent, at 1,709.40.

Aside from the news unfolding in Iraq, Wall Street focused on earnings at the height of corporate America's quarterly reporting season. After bidding up stocks for the past four months, investors are scrutinizing companies' earnings and outlooks for signs an economic upswing is firmly under way.

Texas Instruments rose after it reported quarterly sales and earnings that topped its lowered outlook from a month ago, helped by a recovery in wireless sales. Shares of TI, the No. 1 maker of semiconductors for mobile phones, jumped 8 percent, or $1.42, to $19.30 and topped the NYSE's most active list.

Shares of Colgate-Palmolive Co. rose after the household goods maker reported its second-quarter earnings increased 10 percent, as new products and the weaker dollar lifted sales. Colgate shares shares rose 55 cents to $56.85.
 

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Saddam's Sons Report Spurs Dollar's Rally


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Tuesday, July 22, 2003; 3:30 PM

By John Parry

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The dollar rallied, extending its gains on Tuesday against major rivals after U.S. officials said that two of Saddam Hussein's sons may have been killed in Iraq during a shoot-out in the northern city of Mosul.

The dollar's most pronounced move higher was against the Swiss franc, a classic safer haven currency in times of global uncertainty and military upheaval.

"Ongoing news of casualties coming out of Iraq has been a weight on consumer sentiment and a weight on markets as well. In particular, that has continued to boost the Swiss franc," said Lara Rhame, senior economist with Brown Brothers Harriman in New York.

Now, any sign of progress by U.S. forces in Iraq and even the impression that the level of armed resistance might abate "would be very positive for markets and would unwind part of the safe haven trade," lifting the dollar against the Swiss franc, Rhame said.

Nevertheless, the dollar's gains from developments in Iraq were somewhat muted, as currency traders began to return their attention to U.S. stock and bond markets.

"Clearly the news of the possible death of Saddam Hussein's sons has a pull on emotions for people in the markets, but it has been some time now since currency markets were really trading on the back of geopolitical developments," said Andrew Weiss, a strategist with AIG Trading Group.

"The focus is on trying to understand since the last Federal Open Market Committee meeting where the U.S. economy is heading and the influence on stocks, bonds and the dollar," Weiss said.

Currency traders continued to focus closely on the correlation that apparently broke down on Monday between bond yields and the dollar. A sharp sell off in the Treasury market sent yields to their highest levels in seven months, but rising yields failed to boost the greenback.

"If you see continued weakness in both stocks and bonds you should see a weaker dollar. Everybody is watching the 10-year Treasury note yield at around 4.20 percent. If (the yield) screams higher, that tells of lack of demand for Treasuries," said Tim Mazanec, senior currency strategist with Investors Bank & Trust in Boston.

Midafternoon on Tuesday, the Dow Jones industrial average <.DJI> rose 0.7 percent, while the Nasdaq composite <.IXIC> climbed 1.6 percent, helping to support dollar sentiment.

The U.S. dollar rose quite sharply against the Canadian dollar after Bank of Canada Governor David Dodge said in an interview that weaker demand for Canadian exports could prompt the BOC to cut interest rates again, following its surprise 25 basis points rate cut earlier this month. The U.S. dollar was up 0.8 percent, buying C$1.4168.

Around 2:45 p.m. EDT (1849 GMT) , the euro was at $1.1326 against the dollar, down 0.1 percent on the day. The dollar was at 119.14 yen against the Japanese currency, up 0.6 percent. Against the Swiss franc the dollar was at 1.3626 francs, up 0.6 percent on the day.

The euro advanced to a two-week high against the Japanese unit . The single European currency was at 134.95 yen, up 0.4 percent on the day.

The Japanese currency fell broadly, as Tokyo traders returning from a holiday belatedly reacted to U.S. Treasury Secretary John Snow's endorsement last week of Japan's efforts to prevent its currency from rising.

Last week, Snow reiterated his support for a strong dollar, and added that he would not criticize Japan for selling its currency to keep it from crimping the country's export sector. Currently, Japan appears to be extricating itself from a protracted economic slump.

"Overnight the Japanese market got an opportunity to react to Snow's comments from Friday," said Greg Anderson, senior FX economist at ABN-Amro Bank in Chicago. Japanese monetary officials "want a 115-125 range (in dollar/yen), hopefully the upper end of that, and Snow has embraced that."
 

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Saddam sons? death seen as a boon


ANALYSIS
By Michael Moran
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July 22 ? The death of Saddam Hussein?s two powerful and notorious sons represents a withering blow to Iraqi Baath Party loyalists who hope to wait out the American occupation and restore the regime to power. At the same time, the elimination of Qusai and Odai Hussein will likely be greeted with relief at the White House, which has been dogged by questions about the war?s motives and increasingly concerned at the daily deaths and injuries inflicted on American troops.

ASIDE FROM THE capture of Saddam himself, the U.S. military rated no single goal more important in Iraq than the capture or death of Saddam?s sons. In particular, Qusai Hussein ? at 36 years old, Saddam?s heir apparent and the commander of Iraq?s Republican Guard ? represented the future for Iraq?s tenacious Saddam loyalists.
The psychological impact on the larger Iraqi public is almost impossible to predict, of course, but the blow delivered to loyalists fighting a guerrilla campaign against the U.S.-led occupation will be significant. U.S. military officials, including the officer who leads U.S. Central Command, Gen. John Abizaid, recently said they believe that elements of the deposed Baathist regime were coordinating and financing the increasingly sophisticated guerrilla attacks on U.S. forces, particularly the so-called ?Sunni triangle? north of Baghdad containing Saddam?s ancestral home, Tikrit. Analysts have suggested that, while Saddam is likely to have gone deep underground if he is still alive, his sons likely were involved in planning and inspiring continued resistance.

U.S. military officials and the Bush administration initially reacted cautiously to early reports suggesting Odai, Qusai, a bodyguard and possibly Qusai?s young son, Mustapha, all died in the four-hour gunfight with U.S. special operations forces in the northern city of Mosul. But at a news conference Tuesday, Army Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, the commander of allied military operations in Iraq, confirmed Saddam?s sons were killed.
Even as Al Jazeera broadcasts suggested, without offering evidence, that these deaths would spark widespread unrest, there appeared to be a consensus, at least on the American side, about the importance of the operation.
Bernard Trainor, a retired Marine Corps general and military analyst, said the deaths of Saddam?s sons represents ?a tremendous blow to the Baathist regime and a real boon for those Iraqis seeking to pursue a Saddam-free future, cooperating with the U.S. This is a major event that can only be topped by getting Saddam himself.?
Con Coughlin, an authority on Iraq and author of ?Saddam: King of Terror,? agreed: ?It will reinforce the message to the Iraqi people that the Americans and America?s coalition allies are very, very serious about getting rid of Saddam Hussein once and for all so Saddam cannot make a comeback.?
The inability to take either brother alive, however, is something both regretted. Col. Jack Jacobs, a military analyst for MSNBC and retired Army infantry commander, said that undoubtedly would have been a key goal, especially given the fact that Qusai had reportedly been put in charge of dispersing Saddam?s weapons of mass destruction ahead of the war. ?But you can?t always do it.?
However, Jacobs predicted that a successful operation against Saddam?s sons would result in ?a cascading effect of getting good intelligence and acting on it immediately.?

NO TEARS LIKELY
Outside of those in Iraq who long ago cast their lot with Saddam?s regime, there will be few tears shed for either of his sons.
Odai, the older of the two at 40, once was considered Saddam?s likely successor. But his behavior was so erratic ? at one point, he executed Saddam?s favorite bodyguard in a pique of drunken anger ? that he was sidelined from major regime posts.

Nonetheless, he remained head of the Iraqi Olympic committee, whose athletes, it was revealed after the war?s end, he sometimes tortured as punishment for poor performances. He also was publisher of the Baghdad daily Babel and retained a seat in parliament.
Odai also took part in executing thousands of Iraqi Shiites who rose against Saddam in the aftermath of the first Gulf War, and possibly in retribution, nearly died in a 1996 assassination attempt most believed to be the work of the Shiite group Dawa. The attack left him partially paralyzed.
Qusai, while considered a more stable character, also inspired fear among those he ruled. As head of Iraq?s Special Security Organization, as well as the Republican Guard and Special Republican Guard, he arguably was the most powerful man in Iraq after his father. His control of internal security organs made him, in effect, the Heinrich Himmler of Iraq, ordering massive sweeps against political dissidents, Christian, Kurdish, Turkoman or other minority groups, and authorizing the slaughter and torture that often followed.

Of particular note, human rights experts say, was Qusai?s role in exacting retribution against Iraqi Shiites of southern Iraq, whose unique marsh-based culture had been the subject of anthropological studies for decades. The so-called marsh Arabs lost much of their culture when, following the Shiite rising that followed the 1991 Gulf War, Qusai oversaw the draining of the marshes.
?That culture was of course built around water and around life in the marshes and that culture has been destroyed,? writes Joseph Dellapenna, an authority on international law at Villanova University Law School, ?and, I would argue, deliberately and purposefully destroyed, precisely because they were people hard to control and a people who had risen in revolt.?
 

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if getting these 2 guys means i less life spent or 1 less day over there for our military than the 30$ million was WELL spent....that works out to about 10 cents a piece from each and every one of us Americans and i will gladly pay my dime as a bounty

now hopefully our other dime gets Hussein!!!!

Reports said that human intelligence gave us the heads of these two guys....seems a couple weeks ago i heard a lot of criticism about this bounty....

also i am glad that we killed them and don't have to fuss with the legal system or whatever the hell would happen....who knows GreenPeace or some other organization would protest just like they protest how we treat Al Quaeda prisoners :rolleyes:

dont hear much from the liberals other than StevieD who showed class and also cheers for America...most of the liberal politicians cheer against America......don't like it when we have a success....much much different from the political climate when we were in Kosovo...Republicans were as happy as anyone when we had a successful operation....

in fact LA Times is reporting Dems met to figure out how to keep economy down so they could capitalize in the next election...WTF is this????
 
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