SARS.....huge over reaction
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at the same time in fairmess to kickserv the WHO has been very suspect in some of the things they have done before....so who knows maybe they are meddling too much again....
From what I have gathered...They aren't worried about the people who would visit becoming sick. The worry is the spreading of the disease/virus/illness.
If Sars (through healthy carriers) gets to a nursing home or worse a poorer noncivilized nation. Things could get ugly and deaths could be something to worry about.
I think the WHO (whooooooo are you...who,who...who,who) is really conserned about the disease/virus/illness spreading to a place where it could do some damage.
If staying away from Toronto and China for a few months prevents the spread of SARS then you would be selfish to go at this time. If you must travel, visit Nashville instead. I hear Nashville, Tenn is a great place to visit and spend your money. Kind people, good music, warm climate, and best of all NO SARS.
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If Sars (through healthy carriers) gets to a nursing home or worse a poorer noncivilized nation. Things could get ugly and deaths could be something to worry about.
I think the WHO (whooooooo are you...who,who...who,who) is really conserned about the disease/virus/illness spreading to a place where it could do some damage.
If staying away from Toronto and China for a few months prevents the spread of SARS then you would be selfish to go at this time. If you must travel, visit Nashville instead. I hear Nashville, Tenn is a great place to visit and spend your money. Kind people, good music, warm climate, and best of all NO SARS.
This message was brought to you by the Nashville Chamber of Commerce, LLC
I think The Who's song "EMINENCE FRONT" should be the official sars theme song...
At least thats what my 12 pack mentioned.
And at least nobody thinks the Flyers / Leafs game was rigged so they wouldn't play another series in Toronto.
cough.
At least thats what my 12 pack mentioned.
And at least nobody thinks the Flyers / Leafs game was rigged so they wouldn't play another series in Toronto.
cough.
if quarantining yourself for 10 days while it ravages your body til it's done is beating it, well man, that sucks.
no known vaccine has been found for SARS yet.
and people tend to ignore the fact that in Toronto here, the majority of the SARS victims were elderly and had poor immune deficiencies to begin with and the ones in their 40's that did die or get the SARS were people( health care nurses or doctors) helping to treat this plague.
Hey KICKSERVE, did you hear about that natural gasline explosion that blew up a small strip mall and some apartments...it was news on all of the Toronto radio and TV stations...???in Etobicoke by Bloor and Kipling....??
that was two minutes away from the school I work at.....
you should have seen the mayhem and pandemonium.....
what the fawk are we being subjected to here in this city.....?
I've had a lousy 3 weeks.
I go through this SARS crap and paranoia in this city...then sit in a fawking overrun and overowrked hospital waiting for my wife to deliver, surrounded by screaming women with blood curdling cries for 9 hours straight.....and then that main gasline explosion right by my work the SAME day i return to work, done by some stoopid construction worker that hit a gaspipe and it blows up a two block radius....!
seriously dude, makes me wanna leave this fawking city.
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since this is the official sars thread i thought some might find this interesting.it seems that the oriental countries would learn from past experiences, but i guess not.
MYSTERY SUPERFLU
Did SARS mutate
from duck, pig feces?
China's old-world farming practices possible culprit
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Posted: April 25, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Paul Sperry
? 2003 WorldNetDaily.com
The last three influenza pandemics have all originated in Asia ? the 1957 Asian flu, the 1968 Hong Kong flu and now this year's SARS flu, which also has been traced to China's southern Guangdong province, which includes Hong Kong.
Why do these virulent new viral strains come out of South China?
Some virologists implicate the farming practices common there. In southern provinces of China, farmers raise hens, ducks, pigs and fish in one integrated system. They use the droppings and leftover food from the pigs to feed the fowl. The fowl droppings, in turn, help fertilize the fish ponds.
While it sounds like a perfect system, raising three different species with no waste, the species may be exchanging viruses among themselves through the feces.
The birds can pass avian flu viruses to swine, where the two viruses co-mingle and form a new strain that is passed back to the farmers, whose immune system cannot fight the new virus, as the theory goes. The pigs, which have a genetic make-up more like humans, act as the mixing vessel.
The 1968 Hong Kong flu strain, at least, was traced back to ducks. That flu and its cousins have killed more than 250,000 Americans, public-health officials estimate.
British zoologist Ernest Naylor and German virologist Christoph Scholtissek first made the connection and warned of future superflu outbreaks from such Chinese agricultural techniques in a 1988 article in Nature.
Regarding SARS, "the most likely scenario is that it has been circulating in another species in southern China, and human beings came in contact with it this past autumn, perhaps in an agricultural setting," said Dr. Stephen Morse, author of "Emerging Viruses." "It is interesting that this part of Asia is the same geographic area from which most known influenza pandemics have arisen."
The federal Centers for Disease Control is not ready to commit to the theory that China's farming practices are to blame for SARS, although some say the reluctance has more to do with international politics and diplomacy than medicine.
"I can't confirm that it has anything to do with the agricultural industry," said CDC spokeswoman Karen Hunter in a phone interview from Atlanta. "We don't have any concrete reasons why influenza sometimes comes out of Asia."
She notes that major viruses have mutated outside of Asia, too. For example, the last century's first flu pandemic, called the "Spanish flu," which struck in 1918, came out of Spain, though recent research has traced the virus strain back to China.
"Even though the last two flu pandemics did come out of Asia," she said, "Asia is not the only place where we see flu viruses mutating and changing."
But one U.S. public-health official, an epidemiologist, says the CDC has long acknowledged the theory's merits.
"Certainly such old-world agriculture is not the best of ideas," he said. "The primary reason we in the U.S. are concerned about proper disposal of human and animal wastes is for reasons of public health, not for aesthetic ones."
He added they don't yet understand that in mainland China, which is still run by a communist government.
Chinese dissident Harry Wu says Chinese farmers also feed human waste to pets, whose waste is fed to livestock.
"It is very common in China, in the rural areas, for the dog to clean up the human bowel (movement)," he said in a WorldNetDaily interview. "You know, the baby makes bowel on the floor (and) the dog will come right in and eat it up."
"The whole environment is like that," Wu added.
He also cited the Chinese people's indiscriminate, omnivorous diet as a possible concern.
"I don't know if these animals are one of the reasons (for SARS), but it is true in the southern part of China that they eat all kinds of animals," Wu said. "We make a joke that they eat everything that flies except for airplanes, and they eat everything with legs except the tables ? snails, turtles, chickens, raccoons. Even some right now are eating the fetus, unborn babies, as a delicacy. That is cannibalism."
Wu notes recent speculation by a Russian scientist who posits that the SARS virus is man-made, invented by a Chinese military lab as a biochemical weapon.
"I'm not sure about that," he said, "but I wouldn't be surprised" if it's true.
Interestingly, influenza fatality rates are virtually unknown. That's because there are no concrete figures for the number of people who get the flu each year to calculate against the number of reported deaths, Hunter says. Many who come down with the flu don't visit the doctor, and therefore don't show up in the statistics.
But generally, the fatality rate for the common flu is thought to be about 15 percent, which may be inflated given the incomplete data for the denominator. The fatality rate for SARS, by comparison, is estimated to be running between 4 percent and 10 percent so far.
MYSTERY SUPERFLU
Did SARS mutate
from duck, pig feces?
China's old-world farming practices possible culprit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: April 25, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Paul Sperry
? 2003 WorldNetDaily.com
The last three influenza pandemics have all originated in Asia ? the 1957 Asian flu, the 1968 Hong Kong flu and now this year's SARS flu, which also has been traced to China's southern Guangdong province, which includes Hong Kong.
Why do these virulent new viral strains come out of South China?
Some virologists implicate the farming practices common there. In southern provinces of China, farmers raise hens, ducks, pigs and fish in one integrated system. They use the droppings and leftover food from the pigs to feed the fowl. The fowl droppings, in turn, help fertilize the fish ponds.
While it sounds like a perfect system, raising three different species with no waste, the species may be exchanging viruses among themselves through the feces.
The birds can pass avian flu viruses to swine, where the two viruses co-mingle and form a new strain that is passed back to the farmers, whose immune system cannot fight the new virus, as the theory goes. The pigs, which have a genetic make-up more like humans, act as the mixing vessel.
The 1968 Hong Kong flu strain, at least, was traced back to ducks. That flu and its cousins have killed more than 250,000 Americans, public-health officials estimate.
British zoologist Ernest Naylor and German virologist Christoph Scholtissek first made the connection and warned of future superflu outbreaks from such Chinese agricultural techniques in a 1988 article in Nature.
Regarding SARS, "the most likely scenario is that it has been circulating in another species in southern China, and human beings came in contact with it this past autumn, perhaps in an agricultural setting," said Dr. Stephen Morse, author of "Emerging Viruses." "It is interesting that this part of Asia is the same geographic area from which most known influenza pandemics have arisen."
The federal Centers for Disease Control is not ready to commit to the theory that China's farming practices are to blame for SARS, although some say the reluctance has more to do with international politics and diplomacy than medicine.
"I can't confirm that it has anything to do with the agricultural industry," said CDC spokeswoman Karen Hunter in a phone interview from Atlanta. "We don't have any concrete reasons why influenza sometimes comes out of Asia."
She notes that major viruses have mutated outside of Asia, too. For example, the last century's first flu pandemic, called the "Spanish flu," which struck in 1918, came out of Spain, though recent research has traced the virus strain back to China.
"Even though the last two flu pandemics did come out of Asia," she said, "Asia is not the only place where we see flu viruses mutating and changing."
But one U.S. public-health official, an epidemiologist, says the CDC has long acknowledged the theory's merits.
"Certainly such old-world agriculture is not the best of ideas," he said. "The primary reason we in the U.S. are concerned about proper disposal of human and animal wastes is for reasons of public health, not for aesthetic ones."
He added they don't yet understand that in mainland China, which is still run by a communist government.
Chinese dissident Harry Wu says Chinese farmers also feed human waste to pets, whose waste is fed to livestock.
"It is very common in China, in the rural areas, for the dog to clean up the human bowel (movement)," he said in a WorldNetDaily interview. "You know, the baby makes bowel on the floor (and) the dog will come right in and eat it up."
"The whole environment is like that," Wu added.
He also cited the Chinese people's indiscriminate, omnivorous diet as a possible concern.
"I don't know if these animals are one of the reasons (for SARS), but it is true in the southern part of China that they eat all kinds of animals," Wu said. "We make a joke that they eat everything that flies except for airplanes, and they eat everything with legs except the tables ? snails, turtles, chickens, raccoons. Even some right now are eating the fetus, unborn babies, as a delicacy. That is cannibalism."
Wu notes recent speculation by a Russian scientist who posits that the SARS virus is man-made, invented by a Chinese military lab as a biochemical weapon.
"I'm not sure about that," he said, "but I wouldn't be surprised" if it's true.
Interestingly, influenza fatality rates are virtually unknown. That's because there are no concrete figures for the number of people who get the flu each year to calculate against the number of reported deaths, Hunter says. Many who come down with the flu don't visit the doctor, and therefore don't show up in the statistics.
But generally, the fatality rate for the common flu is thought to be about 15 percent, which may be inflated given the incomplete data for the denominator. The fatality rate for SARS, by comparison, is estimated to be running between 4 percent and 10 percent so far.
As usual you are right on track AR. Been following that for quite a while.Was headed back to China in Aug but looks like I will put it on hold.With the exception of city of Gaunzhou,Guangdong province is very rural.However Gaunzhou consulate is is were all people have to go to obtain visa's for U.S. and that is creating havoc also.
Kickserv With all due respect your statement is quite similiar to Beijings previous mayor (employment terminated last week) and also the Hong Kong officials initially.
Kickserv With all due respect your statement is quite similiar to Beijings previous mayor (employment terminated last week) and also the Hong Kong officials initially.
hmmmmmmmmmmm.... i hear the southern states are kinda nice at this time of year, y'all!!!!!
actually, i wouldn't mind goin to San Diego.
kick....all due respect
kick....all due respect
but,you weren`t on that town council in the "Jaws"movie,were you?..... "you don`t have to shut down the beaches.....what`s the big deal about 20 or 30 dead bodies.... TOURISM!!...TOURISM!!!"............lol(just kidding).....
kick....all due respect
but,you weren`t on that town council in the "Jaws"movie,were you?..... "you don`t have to shut down the beaches.....what`s the big deal about 20 or 30 dead bodies.... TOURISM!!...TOURISM!!!"............lol(just kidding).....
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just to ease your minds:
just to ease your minds:
SARS victims in toronto:
All of the 16 deaths, including the 78-year-old woman who died Wednesday, have occurred in the Toronto area, and all have had pre-existing medical conditions, officials said. Fourteen of the 16 victims were 60 and older.
just to ease your minds:
SARS victims in toronto:
All of the 16 deaths, including the 78-year-old woman who died Wednesday, have occurred in the Toronto area, and all have had pre-existing medical conditions, officials said. Fourteen of the 16 victims were 60 and older.
