SARS in Toronto!!!!
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yeah, we got a REAL problem with that here....
the fear it's breeding is quite scary.
and honestly, it's kinda scaring me myself....being a teacher and all that being in contact with all those viruses and shit.
i mean, damn, i just got over the norwalk virus in december and i NEVER wanna go through that again.
i mean, WTF, this type of airbourne virus that came from millions of miles away and because proper health measures weren't taken, now we have to pay for other people's mistakes and embrace the possiblity of getting infected.
My wife's about to give birth and now we're smack dab stuck in the middle of an EVEN WORSE medical crisis in the province, medical buildings are being quarantined....hospitals are not allowing visitors anymore unless the patients are gravely ill or if they are children........
more reported cases of SARS are popping up.....
my parents won't be allowed to witness the birth of my child.....????? no visitors allowed due to the potential contraction of the virus....
what the **** is this world coming to??????
i think this thread is very revelant and i'm gonna post some stuff in this thread to educate peeps on this problem here.
the fear it's breeding is quite scary.
and honestly, it's kinda scaring me myself....being a teacher and all that being in contact with all those viruses and shit.
i mean, damn, i just got over the norwalk virus in december and i NEVER wanna go through that again.
i mean, WTF, this type of airbourne virus that came from millions of miles away and because proper health measures weren't taken, now we have to pay for other people's mistakes and embrace the possiblity of getting infected.
My wife's about to give birth and now we're smack dab stuck in the middle of an EVEN WORSE medical crisis in the province, medical buildings are being quarantined....hospitals are not allowing visitors anymore unless the patients are gravely ill or if they are children........
more reported cases of SARS are popping up.....
my parents won't be allowed to witness the birth of my child.....????? no visitors allowed due to the potential contraction of the virus....
what the **** is this world coming to??????
i think this thread is very revelant and i'm gonna post some stuff in this thread to educate peeps on this problem here.
two kids in our school went to a hospital that was infected by the virus and the two kids have been voluntarily quarantined by their parents for ten days now.....
Toronto deaths push SARS toll to 6
Also, local infectious diseases expert quarantined
FROM CANADIAN PRESS:
Ontario health officials reported two more SARS deaths today, bringing the Canadian death toll from the disease to six.
Dr. James Young, Ontario's commissioner of public safety, expressed his condolences to the two families at a briefing.
One of the deaths occurred Monday night, and the other patient died Tuesday morning. Both were in the Toronto area.
Dr. Colin D'Cunha, Ontario's chief medical officer of health, said both patients were elderly individuals and clearly linked to the Scarborough Grace cluster of cases in Toronto.
Across Canada, the number of suspected and probable cases of SARS is in the vicinity of 130, most of them in the Toronto area, and emananating from Scarborough Grace, where one of the first Canadian SARS patients was treated.
In another disturbing development Tuesday, Dr. Donald Low, an infectious diseases expert who has taken part in daily briefings to media in Toronto, is now in isolation.
Earlier today, the city's Hospital for Sick Children reduced to three from five the number of children listed as possible cases.
"We have two that I've called probable and are being treated as probable and one that is a suspect case," Dr. Stanley Read of Sick Kids told CFRB Radio.
Of the three suspect and probable cases of SARS, Read said two are children of health care workers and the third is reported to have returned recently from southeast Asia.
All three were said to be in good condition and Read said proper containment procedures were in place when the children arrived.
In British Columbia, 40 people near Vancouver were told to go into quarantine earlier this week when it was discovered the province's second probable SARS case had gone to a health clinic in the suburb of Coquitlam while she was ill.
A SARS clinic was being opened today in Vancouver.
Health officials say the walk-in facility with x-ray capability will ease the strain on hospital emergency wards and put people's fears to rest.
Quarantine officers are also being trained to help screen all flights from Asia into Vancouver International Airport.
New Brunswick experienced a run on face masks after that province revealed over the weekend that a school principal who recently returned from China was under observation as a suspect case.
The province's chief medical officer looked alarmed when asked at a news conference whether the province would supply residents with protective masks.
"This is an example of unnecessary fear, undue anxiety and a misinterpretation of the situation in the province," Dr. Wayne MacDonald said.
Also, local infectious diseases expert quarantined
FROM CANADIAN PRESS:
Ontario health officials reported two more SARS deaths today, bringing the Canadian death toll from the disease to six.
Dr. James Young, Ontario's commissioner of public safety, expressed his condolences to the two families at a briefing.
One of the deaths occurred Monday night, and the other patient died Tuesday morning. Both were in the Toronto area.
Dr. Colin D'Cunha, Ontario's chief medical officer of health, said both patients were elderly individuals and clearly linked to the Scarborough Grace cluster of cases in Toronto.
Across Canada, the number of suspected and probable cases of SARS is in the vicinity of 130, most of them in the Toronto area, and emananating from Scarborough Grace, where one of the first Canadian SARS patients was treated.
In another disturbing development Tuesday, Dr. Donald Low, an infectious diseases expert who has taken part in daily briefings to media in Toronto, is now in isolation.
Earlier today, the city's Hospital for Sick Children reduced to three from five the number of children listed as possible cases.
"We have two that I've called probable and are being treated as probable and one that is a suspect case," Dr. Stanley Read of Sick Kids told CFRB Radio.
Of the three suspect and probable cases of SARS, Read said two are children of health care workers and the third is reported to have returned recently from southeast Asia.
All three were said to be in good condition and Read said proper containment procedures were in place when the children arrived.
In British Columbia, 40 people near Vancouver were told to go into quarantine earlier this week when it was discovered the province's second probable SARS case had gone to a health clinic in the suburb of Coquitlam while she was ill.
A SARS clinic was being opened today in Vancouver.
Health officials say the walk-in facility with x-ray capability will ease the strain on hospital emergency wards and put people's fears to rest.
Quarantine officers are also being trained to help screen all flights from Asia into Vancouver International Airport.
New Brunswick experienced a run on face masks after that province revealed over the weekend that a school principal who recently returned from China was under observation as a suspect case.
The province's chief medical officer looked alarmed when asked at a news conference whether the province would supply residents with protective masks.
"This is an example of unnecessary fear, undue anxiety and a misinterpretation of the situation in the province," Dr. Wayne MacDonald said.
Dr. Sheela Basrur, Toronto's chief medical officer of health, said yesterday that rising anxiety has parents wondering if they should send children to school or day care, whether people should go to work or attend large public gatherings or set foot on city buses.
She took pains to ensure that public prudence doesn't become panic, that caution doesn't mutate into cruelty or ostracism.
"I cannot say this often enough," she said one more time. "The risk to the general public is extremely low."
All cases in Greater Toronto so far can be traced either to the initial case at the Scarborough Grace hospital or to recent travel in affected areas of the world, she said.
"The general public at large is not at risk unless they meet those risk factor criteria.
"You can go about your daily lives as best you can and try to remember that simple precautions will work."
She took pains to ensure that public prudence doesn't become panic, that caution doesn't mutate into cruelty or ostracism.
"I cannot say this often enough," she said one more time. "The risk to the general public is extremely low."
All cases in Greater Toronto so far can be traced either to the initial case at the Scarborough Grace hospital or to recent travel in affected areas of the world, she said.
"The general public at large is not at risk unless they meet those risk factor criteria.
"You can go about your daily lives as best you can and try to remember that simple precautions will work."
Take care TV, was supposed to be in TO on Sunday for work, but cancelled the meetings. No cases my way, closest in NB.
Good Luck Man, All the best,
Vinny
Good Luck Man, All the best,
Vinny
"We have also witnessed an increasing degree of fear related to the Chinese community. I want to emphasize that this is not a disease that is exclusive to people who are from that part of the world, nor is it the case that anybody who looks like they are from the Orient is a potential carrier of contagion and disease.
"It's extremely unfortunate when I hear about cases of stigmatization and discrimination affecting Chinese schoolchildren, for example, just because they happen to look different. It's hard enough to be a young kid in school these days without also having to feel that you're shunned by your classmates and avoided by your teachers.
"It's very important that people understand that this is a low risk to the population, that public health is on the job ... that people should deal with their co-workers and their colleagues with a level of humanity and understanding."
These remarks, strictly speaking, may have had little to do with her medical expertise.
But they were probably the most important thing she ever prescribed.
"It's extremely unfortunate when I hear about cases of stigmatization and discrimination affecting Chinese schoolchildren, for example, just because they happen to look different. It's hard enough to be a young kid in school these days without also having to feel that you're shunned by your classmates and avoided by your teachers.
"It's very important that people understand that this is a low risk to the population, that public health is on the job ... that people should deal with their co-workers and their colleagues with a level of humanity and understanding."
These remarks, strictly speaking, may have had little to do with her medical expertise.
But they were probably the most important thing she ever prescribed.
Chinese data show SARS incubation can be 14 days
FROM CANADIAN PRESS:
Emerging data out of China ? the apparent birthplace of SARS ? suggests the incubation period for the disease is longer than has been believed, a spokesman for the World Health Organization said today.
Health authorities in much of the world, including those at the U.S. Centres for Disease Control, have pegged the average incubation period for severe acute respiratory syndrome at two to seven days, with some patients taking as long as 10 to fall sick following exposure.
Most infection control measures ? including those employed against SARS in Canada ? are based on the premise that someone who shows no sign of illness after 10 days is unlikely to come down with the disease.
But previously withheld case information from China has led the WHO to rethink how long SARS can incubate before manifesting itself.
"The longest possible incubation period that we've seen is 14 days," spokesman Dick Thompson said today in an interview from Geneva.
And 10 days? "That's what I would have told you before we had access to the Guangdong data."
China's Guangdong province is believed to have been the spawning ground for SARS. A doctor from Guangdong who attended a wedding in Hong Kong is known to have triggered the infections that spread the disease there and then to Canada, Singapore, Vietnam and several other countries.
Despite the new information, Canadian public health officials insist there is no need at this time to lengthen the period of isolation imposed on thousands of people who may have been exposed to the virus by contact with a SARS patient or by working at, being treated in or by visiting two Toronto-area hospitals.
"I think if there were good reason to do it, absolutely," said Dr. Andrew Simor, head microbiologist at Sunnybrook and Women's College Health Sciences Centre.
"But . . . it's a huge burden on people to say: `We're still not sure, but let's increase it to 14 days.' I think there are huge implications."
Dr. Donald Low, another key member of the SARS containment team, said the evidence from the mounting number of cases in Canada suggests most people develop symptoms within four to five days of infection, so the 10-day period is probably safe.
"We are seeing occasional patients ? and that's occasional ? at 10 days. And . . . we feel confident of those numbers," said Low, microbiologist-in-chief at Mount Sinai Hospital.
Ontario's commissioner for public safety said authorities need to balance the risks against the practicalities ? or impracticalities ? of asking mass numbers of people to withdraw from society for two weeks.
"We have to weigh our experience with what happens in regards to obvious public safety but also people's needs to get on with their lives and all of the other problems that are associated with isolating large numbers of people," said Dr. Jim Young.
"We're not saying that wouldn't change. If our experience began to show everyone developing symptoms in Day 9 and 10, we would likely expand the isolation period. But that's not been our experience to date."
FROM CANADIAN PRESS:
Emerging data out of China ? the apparent birthplace of SARS ? suggests the incubation period for the disease is longer than has been believed, a spokesman for the World Health Organization said today.
Health authorities in much of the world, including those at the U.S. Centres for Disease Control, have pegged the average incubation period for severe acute respiratory syndrome at two to seven days, with some patients taking as long as 10 to fall sick following exposure.
Most infection control measures ? including those employed against SARS in Canada ? are based on the premise that someone who shows no sign of illness after 10 days is unlikely to come down with the disease.
But previously withheld case information from China has led the WHO to rethink how long SARS can incubate before manifesting itself.
"The longest possible incubation period that we've seen is 14 days," spokesman Dick Thompson said today in an interview from Geneva.
And 10 days? "That's what I would have told you before we had access to the Guangdong data."
China's Guangdong province is believed to have been the spawning ground for SARS. A doctor from Guangdong who attended a wedding in Hong Kong is known to have triggered the infections that spread the disease there and then to Canada, Singapore, Vietnam and several other countries.
Despite the new information, Canadian public health officials insist there is no need at this time to lengthen the period of isolation imposed on thousands of people who may have been exposed to the virus by contact with a SARS patient or by working at, being treated in or by visiting two Toronto-area hospitals.
"I think if there were good reason to do it, absolutely," said Dr. Andrew Simor, head microbiologist at Sunnybrook and Women's College Health Sciences Centre.
"But . . . it's a huge burden on people to say: `We're still not sure, but let's increase it to 14 days.' I think there are huge implications."
Dr. Donald Low, another key member of the SARS containment team, said the evidence from the mounting number of cases in Canada suggests most people develop symptoms within four to five days of infection, so the 10-day period is probably safe.
"We are seeing occasional patients ? and that's occasional ? at 10 days. And . . . we feel confident of those numbers," said Low, microbiologist-in-chief at Mount Sinai Hospital.
Ontario's commissioner for public safety said authorities need to balance the risks against the practicalities ? or impracticalities ? of asking mass numbers of people to withdraw from society for two weeks.
"We have to weigh our experience with what happens in regards to obvious public safety but also people's needs to get on with their lives and all of the other problems that are associated with isolating large numbers of people," said Dr. Jim Young.
"We're not saying that wouldn't change. If our experience began to show everyone developing symptoms in Day 9 and 10, we would likely expand the isolation period. But that's not been our experience to date."
what is it?
Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, or SARS:
is a severe form of pneumonia. The province of Ontario has declared a health emergency to respond to the outbreak of SARS.
Toronto Public Health is working with provincial and federal authorities and other health units to ensure cases of SARS are identified and managed appropriately.
Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, or SARS:
is a severe form of pneumonia. The province of Ontario has declared a health emergency to respond to the outbreak of SARS.
Toronto Public Health is working with provincial and federal authorities and other health units to ensure cases of SARS are identified and managed appropriately.
Well it seems to have originated in Honk Kong, and 13% of my school's population are of Hong Kong descent.
GREAT JUST GREAT.... You may laugh at me all you want, but when I am at school I wear a mask in-order to protect myself, many others do as well.
It is really sad, and with this disease around one has to be careful as to where their mouths go......
Back to studying......
SARS= NO P*SSY
GREAT JUST GREAT.... You may laugh at me all you want, but when I am at school I wear a mask in-order to protect myself, many others do as well.
It is really sad, and with this disease around one has to be careful as to where their mouths go......
Back to studying......
SARS= NO P*SSY
I agree with your procautions Anthony (though it probably looks weird..... what's next going down on a hottie and having a gas mask on... ) Anyways, I am glad to hear more about this SARS. In no way was I belittling (sp?) the situation. It is scary, and now in California maybe. That is close to me and makes me realize it is real. TV, thanks for the info and hope to learn more about this new disaster that I am sure has something to do with germ mutations..... Anyways, I am rambling.
) Anyways, I am glad to hear more about this SARS. In no way was I belittling (sp?) the situation. It is scary, and now in California maybe. That is close to me and makes me realize it is real. TV, thanks for the info and hope to learn more about this new disaster that I am sure has something to do with germ mutations..... Anyways, I am rambling.This sounds like the first chapter of Stephen King's "The Stand".
Was it San Jose where they quarantined the plane? How would you like to be sitting on that plane with some poor diseased bastard who's coughing and sneezing next to you for 8 hours. I'd have been thinking, "get me the hell off this thing."
Was it San Jose where they quarantined the plane? How would you like to be sitting on that plane with some poor diseased bastard who's coughing and sneezing next to you for 8 hours. I'd have been thinking, "get me the hell off this thing."
mebbe time to sit @ home and inform the office that you are self quarinating yourself as u had been to visit someone who is now quarinated <-- another pal from work mebbe
10 days of nice home vacation ..
just kiddin .. things are starting to get scary . .the girlfriend did not wanna go to the bluejays game bcoz of the large crowd ..
saved me a lot of torture and aggravation the way teh jays have played ..
the guy who discovered this virus died last weekend.
Hope they find some remedy for it.
Cheers !!!
Spock
as u had been to visit someone who is now quarinated <-- another pal from work mebbe 10 days of nice home vacation ..
just kiddin .. things are starting to get scary . .the girlfriend did not wanna go to the bluejays game bcoz of the large crowd ..
saved me a lot of torture and aggravation the way teh jays have played ..
the guy who discovered this virus died last weekend.
Hope they find some remedy for it.
Cheers !!!
Spock
best advie is exercise...eat good nutrition with fruits and vegetables.....wash hands a lot.....
will help you avoid and beat this thing if you get it....
will help you avoid and beat this thing if you get it....
This maybe a dumb question, but has everybody died from this that has gotten it? I am hearing alot of numbers of deaths and quantitens etc.. but nothing in regards to people actually making it through this thing, or are there any making it?
JFB
JFB
JFB, no, it isn't deadly to everyone that contracts the disease, but it's one of those things that sure makes you wanna protect yourself from coming down with it.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/03/23/mystery.virus.breakdown/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/03/23/mystery.virus.breakdown/index.html
