School 1957 vs School 2012...good read

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SCHOOL - 1957 vs. 2012



Scenario :
Johnny and Mark get into a fight after school..

1957 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up best friends.

2012 - Police called, arrests Johnny and Mark.. Charge them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it. Both children go to anger management programs for 3 months. School governors hold meeting to implement bullying prevention programmes


Scenario :
Robbie won't be still in class, disrupts other students..

1957 - Robbie sent to office and given 6 of the best by the Principal. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.

2012 - Robbie given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. Tested for ADHD. Robbie's parents get fortnightly disability payments and School gets extra funding from government because Robbie has a disability.

Scenario :
Billy breaks a window in his neighbour's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.

1957 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.

2012 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang.

Scenario :
Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.

1957 - Mark gets glass of water from Principal to take aspirin with.

2012 - Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug taking. Car searched for drugs and weapons.


Scenario :
Johnny takes apart leftover fireworks from Guy Fawkes night, puts them in a paint tin & blows up a wasp's nest.

1957 - Wasps die.

2012- Police & Anti-Terrorism Squad called. Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, investigate parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated. Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.

Scenario :
Johnny falls while running during morning break and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary . Mary hugs him to comfort him.

1957 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.

2012 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.

This should be sent to every e-mail address to show how stupid we have become!




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On another topic, a new word that sums up the "Senior Life Experience"....EXHAUSTIPATED




(If you are Not Old enough to appreciate this Yet, You will be!!)


New Word: Exhaustipated


Exhaustipated: meaning "too tired to give a shit."





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It's only getting worse. The state will always yield more and more power until all the power is with them and none with you or your family. It's a damn shame no one wants to see it and turns a blind eye to all the crazy shit going on. Propaganda is a powerful thing

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The point was taken though that the State is the new mom and dad... out with the tight knit family, and in with the nanny state control over all affairs
 

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Just proves the point....it is just not a US problem....

I was in grade school in that era....corporal discipline worked well, trust me....

Even now, the Feds are controlling food quotients metered out to school kids...

maybe because the obesity rate in America is fucking astronomical.

if shitty parents aren't going to step up and teach/implement good eating habits, maybe someone else has to?
 

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maybe because the obesity rate in America is fucking astronomical.

if shitty parents aren't going to step up and teach/implement good eating habits, maybe someone else has to?

WOW. So, in YOUR OPINION, the parenting sucks these days, so the State should point guns at us all and raise our kids for us... to fit YOUR morals and ideas. Let's see how that one turns out.

Oh, and maybe if the USDA wasn't in the pockets of big agra, we wouldn't have these fucked up dietary guidelines, that the sheep blindly follow and then get fat because of it. Then blame the people and in turn give the same people who caused the problem in the first place all the power back.

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THis conversation makes me think of an article I read a while back....

Film highlights the temptations and perils of blind obedience to authority
Indie film Compliance recalls notions that the past decade's worst events are explained by failures to oppose authority

Some noted a disturbing thirst for leader-worship that drove followers of Barack Obama. Photograph: Greg Wahl-Stephens/AP
Glenn Greenwald
guardian.co.uk, Sun 26 Aug 2012 12.41 BST
One can object to some of its particulars, but Frank Bruni has a quite interesting and incisive New York Times column today about a new independent film called Compliance, which explores the human desire to follow and obey authority.
Based on real-life events that took place in 2004 at a McDonalds in Kentucky, the film dramatizes a prank telephone call in which a man posing as a police officer manipulates a supervisor to abuse an employee with increasing amounts of cruelty and sadism, ultimately culminating in sexual assault ? all by insisting that the abuse is necessary to aid an official police investigation into petty crimes.
That particular episode was but one of a series of similar and almost always-successful hoaxes over the course of at least 10 years, in which restaurant employees were manipulated into obeying warped directives from this same man, pretending on the telephone to be a police officer.
Bruni correctly notes the prime issue raised by all of this: "How much can people be talked into and how readily will they defer to an authority figure of sufficient craft and cunning?" That question was answered 50 years ago by the infamous experiment conducted by psychologist Stanley Milgram, in which an authority figure in a lab coat instructed participants to deliver what they were told were increasingly severe electric shocks to someone in another room whom they could hear but not see. Even as the screams became louder and more agonizing, two-thirds of the participants were induced fully to comply by delivering the increased electric shocks.
Most disturbingly, even as many expressed concerns and doubts, they continued to obey until the screams stopped ? presumably due to death (subsequent experiments replicated those results). As the University of California's Gregorio Billikopf put it, the Milgram experiment "illustrates people's reluctance to confront those who abuse power", as they "obey either out of fear or out of a desire to appear co-operative ? even when acting against their own better judgment and desires".
Bruni ties all of this into our current political culture, noting one significant factor driving this authoritarian behavior: that trusting authority is easier and more convenient than treating it with skepticism. He writes:
As Craig Zobel, the writer and director of 'Compliance,' said to me on the phone on Friday, 'We can't be on guard all the time. In order to have a pleasant life, you have to be able to trust that people are who they say they are. And if you questioned everything you heard, you'd never get anything done.' It's infinitely more efficient to follow a chosen leader and walk in lock step with a chosen tribe.
He suggests that this is the dynamic that drives unthinking partisan allegiance ("What's most distinctive about the current presidential election and our political culture [is] ? how unconditionally so many partisans back their side's every edict, plaint and stratagem"), as well as numerous key political frauds, from Saddam's WMDs to Obama's fake birth certificate to Romney's failure to pay taxes for 10 years. People eagerly accept such evidence-free claims "because the alternative mean confronting outright mendacity from otherwise respected authorities, trading the calm of certainty for the disquiet of doubt".
This authoritarian desire to pledge fealty to institutions and leaders is indeed the dynamic that resides at the core of so many of our political conflicts (the 2006 book by Canadian psychology professor Bob Altemeyer, The Authoritarians, is a superb examination of how this manifests in the right-wing political context).
One of my first posts when I began writing about politics back in 2006 was an examination of the blindly loyal, cult-like veneration which the American Right had erected around George Bush; as Paul Krugman was one of the first to observe, that same disturbing thirst for leader-worship then drove followers of Barack Obama (Krugman in February, 2008: "the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality. We've already had that from the Bush administration ? remember Operation Flight Suit? We really don't want to go there again").
There is always much to say about this topic, as its centrality in shaping both individual and collective behavior is more or less universal. But I want to highlight two specific points about all of this which relate to several of the topics I wrote about in my first week here, as well as some of the resulting reaction to that:
First, there are multiple institutions that are intended to safeguard against this ease of inducing blind trust in and obedience to authorities. The most obvious one is journalism, which, at its best, serves as a check against political authority by subjecting its pronouncements to skepticism and scrutiny, and by acting in general as an adversarial force against it. But there are other institutions that can and should play a similar role.
One is academia, a realm where tenure is supposed to ensure that authority's most sacred orthodoxies are subjected to unrelenting, irreverent questioning. Another is the federal judiciary, whose officials are vested with life tenure so as to empower them, without regard to popular sentiment, to impose limits on the acts of political authorities and to protect the society's most scorned and marginalized.
But just observe how frequently these institutions side with power rather than against it, how eagerly they offer their professional and intellectual instruments to justify and glorify the acts of political authority rather than challenge or subvert them. They will occasionally quibble on the margins with official acts, but their energies are overwhelmingly devoted to endorsing the legitimacy of institutional authority and, correspondingly, scorning those who have been marginalized or targeted by it.
Their collective instinct on any issue is to rush to align themselves with the sentiment prevailing in elite power circles. Most denizens in these realms would be hard-pressed to identify any instances in which they embraced causes or people deeply unpopular within those circles. Indeed, they judge their own rightness ? they derive vindication ? by how often they find themselves on the side of elite institutions and how closely aligned they are with the orthodoxies that prevail within them, rather than by how often they challenge or oppose them.
It is difficult to overstate the impact of this authority-serving behavior from the very institutions designed to oppose authority. As Zobel, the writer and director of Compliance, notes, most people are too busy with their lives to find the time or energy to scrutinize prevailing orthodoxies and the authorities propagating them. When the institutions that are in a position to provide those checks fail to do that, those orthodoxies and authorities thrive without opposition or challenge, no matter how false and corrupted they may be.
As much as anything else, this is the institutional failure that explains the debacles of the last decade. There is virtually no counter-weight to the human desire to follow and obey authority because the institutions designed to provide that counter-weight ? media outlets, academia, courts ? do the opposite: they are the most faithful servants of those centers of authority.
Second, it is very easy to get people to see oppression and tyranny in faraway places, but very difficult to get them to see it in their own lives ("How dare you compare my country to Tyranny X; we're free and they aren't"). In part that is explained by the way in which desire shapes perception. One naturally wants to believe that oppression is only something that happens elsewhere because one then feels good about one's own situation ("I'm free, unlike those poor people in those other places"). Thinking that way also relieves one of the obligation to act: one who believes they are free of oppression will feel no pressure to take a difficult or risky stand against it.
But the more significant factor is that one can easily remain free of even the most intense political oppression simply by placing one's faith and trust in institutions of authority. People who get themselves to be satisfied with the behavior of their institutions of power, or who at least largely acquiesce to the legitimacy of prevailing authority, are almost never subjected to any oppression, even in the worst of tyrannies.
Why would they be? Oppression is designed to compel obedience and submission to authority. Those who voluntarily put themselves in that state ? by believing that their institutions of authority are just and good and should be followed rather than subverted ? render oppression redundant, unnecessary.
Of course people who think and behave this way encounter no oppression. That's their reward for good, submissive behavior. As Rosa Luxemburg put this: "Those who do not move, do not notice their chains." They are left alone by institutions of power because they comport with the desired behavior of complacency and obedience without further compulsion.
But the fact that good, obedient citizens do not themselves perceive oppression does not mean that oppression does not exist. Whether a society is free is determined not by the treatment of its complacent, acquiescent citizens ? such people are always unmolested by authority ? but rather by the treatment of its dissidents and its marginalized minorities.
In the US, those are the people who are detained at airports and have their laptops and notebooks seized with no warrants because of the films they make or the political activism they engage in; or who are subjected to mass, invasive state surveillance despite no evidence of wrongdoing; or who are prosecuted and imprisoned for decades ? or even executed without due process ? for expressing political and religious views deemed dangerous by the government.
People who resist the natural human tendency to follow, venerate and obey prevailing authority typically have a much different view about how oppressive a society is than those who submit to those impulses. The most valuable experiences for determining how free a society is are the experiences of society's most threatening dissidents, not its content and compliant citizens. It was those who marched against Mubarak who were detained, beaten, tortured and killed, not those who acquiesced to or supported the regime. That is the universal pattern of authoritarian oppression.
The temptation to submit to authority examined by Compliance bolsters an authoritarian culture by transforming its leading institutions into servants of power rather than checks on it. But worse, it conceals the presence of oppression by ensuring that most citizens, choosing to follow, trust and obey authority, do not personally experience oppression and thus do not believe ? refuse to believe ? that it really exists.

?IF ONE DOES NOT MOVE, THEY DO NOT NOTICE THE CHAINS?

?THE FACT THAT GOOD, OBEDIENT CITIZENS DON?T PERCEIVE OPPRESSION DOESN?T MEAN THAT OPPRESSION DOESN?T EXIST?
 

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WOW. So, in YOUR OPINION, the parenting sucks these days, so the State should point guns at us all and raise our kids for us... to fit YOUR morals and ideas. Let's see how that one turns out.

Oh, and maybe if the USDA wasn't in the pockets of big agra, we wouldn't have these fucked up dietary guidelines, that the sheep blindly follow and then get fat because of it. Then blame the people and in turn give the same people who caused the problem in the first place all the power back.

:shrug:

Oh wait, we have already seen. It's called communism, socialism, and fascism. It has led to mass murder and poverty in every country it's been attempted in
 

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maybe because the obesity rate in America is fucking astronomical.

if shitty parents aren't going to step up and teach/implement good eating habits, maybe someone else has to?

Good point "Shitty Parents", if there is a husband and wife whom are probably BOTH working crap jobs at $10-$15 an hour just to make ends meet as the shyster politicians & international bankers light up their $50 cigars.
 

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WOW. So, in YOUR OPINION, the parenting sucks these days, so the State should point guns at us all and raise our kids for us... to fit YOUR morals and ideas. Let's see how that one turns out.

Oh, and maybe if the USDA wasn't in the pockets of big agra, we wouldn't have these fucked up dietary guidelines, that the sheep blindly follow and then get fat because of it. Then blame the people and in turn give the same people who caused the problem in the first place all the power back.

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under what guideline does McDonalds or Wendys cheeseburgers fall under?

there is plenty, PLENTY of parents that choose this because they are lazy, cheap, or even don't know how to cook.

the kids are our future right? so do we really want a future full of obese people?

everyone likes to blame the government for EVERYTHING. the problem is most people just are not happy with anything and will always find something to complain about.
 

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Good point "Shitty Parents", if there is a husband and wife whom are probably BOTH working crap jobs at $10-$15 an hour just to make ends meet as the shyster politicians & international bankers light up their $50 cigars.


having a shitty job has fuck all to do with what you teach your kids and feed them. you can easily feed your kids healthy food with a crappy job.
 

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under what guideline does McDonalds or Wendys cheeseburgers fall under?

there is plenty, PLENTY of parents that choose this because they are lazy, cheap, or even don't know how to cook.

the kids are our future right? so do we really want a future full of obese people?

everyone likes to blame the government for EVERYTHING. the problem is most people just are not happy with anything and will always find something to complain about.

Maybe the benevolent leaders should just shut down McDonalds and Wendy's then? :shrug:

On the contrary...Everyone wants the government to SOLVE EVERYTHING. The government has created such a moral hazard because everyone looks to them for all the answers and accepts their bullshit instead of thinking for themselves. The government isn't happy with anything and wants to make a new law to control everything we eat, drink, or speak!

Everyone thinks they are owed everything and if they can't get it, they ask people to go around with guns and get it for them.

And btw, the USDA dietary guidelines are complete upside down. These are the people you want feeding MY kids?? the ones that loaded up everyone on sugar and carbs and helped grow this myth while doling out billions to farmers. But, they aren't partially responsible for the "obesity epidemic?" Maybe Michelle Obama can break down my doors and feed them a big bowl of poisonous gluten-filled carbs every morning
 
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having a shitty job has fuck all to do with what you teach your kids and feed them. you can easily feed your kids healthy food with a crappy job.

I think his point is that the benevolent, altruistic, gods in Washington don't always have your best interests in mind like they dupe many to believe
 

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By the way, Airportis... I hope you don't take anything I say personally. It's not. i don't know you. From what I do know, I like you. I just obviously strongly disagree with how you think about this matter.
I am arguing the points, not you
 

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I am not offended at all. I just thought the comparisons in that chain letter were ridiculous. And there is some incredibly terrible parenting in this day that has nothing to do with the government.
 

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I am not offended at all. I just thought the comparisons in that chain letter were ridiculous. And there is some incredibly terrible parenting in this day that has nothing to do with the government.

Of course. There always will be.

And there is also some incredibly terrible governing that has to do with otherwise smart people like you thinking that the government is there to fix all of our problems.

The more and more powerful your government gets, the sooner you will end up being oppressed in ways you can't imagine. See Chavez, Stalin, Mao, and more for examples of total govt control. At that point, my kids diet will be the least of your concerns.
 
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I am not offended at all. I just thought the comparisons in that chain letter were ridiculous. And there is some incredibly terrible parenting in this day that has nothing to do with the government.


What do you think is the reason for the uptick in 'bad parenting'?
 
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