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Throughout numerous seasons, we have many debates on this board centering around the fundamental difference in size, speed, and even talent of the SEC teams versus other conferences. I admit I have been one of the skeptics thinking that perspective is sometimes overblown. But then I saw this story including quotes from Oregon's Chip Kelly after last night's dismantling by LSU:

The normally confident, quick-replying Kelly paused several seconds before answering.

?Yeah,? he said softly. ?Yes.?

Asked if his team hadn?t reached that elite tier yet, Kelly paused again.

?Yes,? he said.

The exchange was a rare publicly sobering moment for the usually cocksure coach, who seldom admits flaws. But after losses against Ohio State in the 2010 Rose Bowl, Auburn in January?s BCS title game and now an LSU team that was playing without its starting quarterback, the Ducks? weakness is obvious.

?They?ve got a little bit different athlete running around out there,? said Kelly, who is in his third season as Oregon?s coach and has a 22-5 record. ?They don?t look like a lot of guys we see. That?s a common trait.?


When a guy like Chip Kelly flat out admits his team doesn't have comparable athletes, it says something. Here's a link to the entire article:

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/LSU-exposes-Oregons-flaws-on-big-stage-090311

I guess my point in sharing this is that I've tried to dismiss the "physicality" difference represented by the SEC (even lesser SEC teams) against other conferences. As evidenced by Boise, some minor conf programs *can* occasionally put together the right recruiting to get the right athletes. Boise's lines dominated Georgia. But then again, it's Georgia.. not Alabama. I do think Boise recognized 3 years ago that you need big, fast uglies on the lines...not just pinball offense...and it's paying off now in much more balanced, stronger teams. Unfortunately for the Broncs, TCU's demise may have doomed any possible rise in the rankings.

But back to my point for this thread in terms of handicapping. Last night's game was another lesson for me. Sometimes, there really *is* a fundamental difference between teams which can't be overcome by a system, motivation, or magic fairy dust. I know this was always obvious to SEC backers, but thought I'd share my personal enlightenment. :lol:
 

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Throughout numerous seasons, we have many debates on this board centering around the fundamental difference in size, speed, and even talent of the SEC teams versus other conferences. I admit I have been one of the skeptics thinking that perspective is sometimes overblown. But then I saw this story including quotes from Oregon's Chip Kelly after last night's dismantling by LSU:

The normally confident, quick-replying Kelly paused several seconds before answering.

?Yeah,? he said softly. ?Yes.?

Asked if his team hadn?t reached that elite tier yet, Kelly paused again.

?Yes,? he said.

The exchange was a rare publicly sobering moment for the usually cocksure coach, who seldom admits flaws. But after losses against Ohio State in the 2010 Rose Bowl, Auburn in January?s BCS title game and now an LSU team that was playing without its starting quarterback, the Ducks? weakness is obvious.

?They?ve got a little bit different athlete running around out there,? said Kelly, who is in his third season as Oregon?s coach and has a 22-5 record. ?They don?t look like a lot of guys we see. That?s a common trait.?


When a guy like Chip Kelly flat out admits his team doesn't have comparable athletes, it says something. Here's a link to the entire article:

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/LSU-exposes-Oregons-flaws-on-big-stage-090311

I guess my point in sharing this is that I've tried to dismiss the "physicality" difference represented by the SEC (even lesser SEC teams) against other conferences. As evidenced by Boise, some minor conf programs *can* occasionally put together the right recruiting to get the right athletes. Boise's lines dominated Georgia. But then again, it's Georgia.. not Alabama. I do think Boise recognized 3 years ago that you need big, fast uglies on the lines...not just pinball offense...and it's paying off now in much more balanced, stronger teams. Unfortunately for the Broncs, TCU's demise may have doomed any possible rise in the rankings.

But back to my point for this thread in terms of handicapping. Last night's game was another lesson for me. Sometimes, there really *is* a fundamental difference between teams which can't be overcome by a system, motivation, or magic fairy dust. I know this was always obvious to SEC backers, but thought I'd share my personal enlightenment. :lol:

2 virtual home games
2 3 point dogs
the conf goes 1-1
and you're enlightened???

interesting

look, the major difference has always been the top....TOP only....sec teams can roll out nfl size and speed on the d-line and dominate ....oklahoma; ohio st, ore etc cant block those guys thus their offense gets shut down......happens every bowl season (and in the rare reg season matchup like yest lsu-ore)

the bottom teams of the sec (which there are plenty and that's always been the debate) dont have that same advantage.....and the sec offers up just as many mediocre/crap teams as every other conference.

kudos to lsu for stomping ore.....from a pac-10 and gambling perspective, i wasnt surprised at all (just like aub vs ore in the title game)......i was a bit surprised at how easily boise controlled uga on the road.

still think this year it's bama's title to lose
 

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The sec is far superior to any conference. It isn't even worth debating. You mise well debate if the earth is flat or round. The best athletes live in the southeast that's why it's the best conference. Oregon fans were running there mouth about team speed. I thought if anything Lsu looked faster. I would agree with you this is alabamas season
 

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I think you make some good points, but being a big SEC guy, I wanted to say a few things about this. As far as the top tier(4-5) SEC schools are concerned, there is no question that there is a difference.

Having said that, a well-coached team can find weaknesses on every opponent. They can also find ways to "hide" their own weaknesses. Boise made UGA their BITCH, and made them like it. They knew Georgia was bigger and more physical, so they used speed on defense to disrupt Murray and the hurry up offense was brilliant. When you make a good defense call timeout on a drive simply because they are tired, you have executed to perfection.

I know the score said 35-21, but it wasn't that close in my opinion and Richt better work some MAJOR magic before the chickens come to town or he may not make it through the season.
 

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2 virtual home games
2 3 point dogs
the conf goes 1-1
and you're enlightened???

interesting

look, the major difference has always been the top....TOP only....sec teams can roll out nfl size and speed on the d-line and dominate ....oklahoma; ohio st, ore etc cant block those guys thus their offense gets shut down......happens every bowl season (and in the rare reg season matchup like yest lsu-ore)

the bottom teams of the sec (which there are plenty and that's always been the debate) dont have that same advantage.....and the sec offers up just as many mediocre/crap teams as every other conference.

kudos to lsu for stomping ore.....from a pac-10 and gambling perspective, i wasnt surprised at all (just like aub vs ore in the title game)......i was a bit surprised at how easily boise controlled uga on the road.

still think this year it's bama's title to lose

Top and top only ??? I have to disagree. Before Auburn last year and Alabama before, Its LSU, or Florida and so on. The "mediocre" teams you speak of , have to play those teams week in week out. Yes, Boise did a nice job last night against Georgia. Now what if next week the went to Alabama, week after that host LSU, then the next week travel to Arkansas, then go to Mississppi State, then host South Carolina , then go to the swamp and play Florida, then go play Tennessee....... Trust me, they would get killed..... They would be so beat up after a month of that and would be lucky to play 500 ball. Yes on any given day anyone can win, but over the course of a season, there is no question who has the superior conference top to bottom.....The mid level and bottom teams of the SEC would dominate the middle and bottom of the other conferences in a week in, week out schedule , Just as the TOP would beat the top.....If you listen to the coaches comment, Like Kelly , last night.....thats what they say after they get a dose of it.
 

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The sec is far superior to any conference. It isn't even worth debating. You mise well debate if the earth is flat or round. The best athletes live in the southeast that's why it's the best conference. Oregon fans were running there mouth about team speed. I thought if anything Lsu looked faster. I would agree with you this is alabamas season




LSU was definetely faster especially on defense..
 
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