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Looked to me to be a liquidation market.

Gold sold off as did equities - looks like they had to sell the good to pay off the bad.

Any thoughts?


I would expect at least a 25-30 point relief bounce on the SnP yet with NFP tomorrow, who knows?

We are not out of the woods yet for sure.......


Sets up quite nicely for a FED announcement of QE3 though.
 

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some companies I follow and own posted earnings over the past week, and it did not really matter, all of them beat, and very few negatives.

in this market people are selling and not worrying about the earnings.

case in point yamana gold, yes I own this one since 2008, have covered calls on it at $12 (well 75% of the position), they beat estimates and produced 10% more gold than expected. stock popped to 13.81, 13.99 and then fell back to 12.89 -.39 on Toronto (also trades US). stock is cheap, however gold stocks are not moving so have sold call against them. if someone told me gold would double in 2008 and these stocks were up 30% or less would never believe them.

I have a great deal of cash in my two main account the third one have long positons and covered calls on all postions.

thought the bickering in the US and the summer, would mean the market would drift down lower until they got a deal....thought the market would rebound a small amount on a deal annouced as long as it made sense.

what really scared the markets is
1. the GDP numbers in the US and the revised numbers were bad, there is basically no growth.
2. also there are far more bad economic data coming in than good.
3. Europe: pick a country, not worried about Greece, but Portugal, Spain, Italy, (could go on)
the bonds always tell the truth and that should scrare the market.

Positives
1. cash, there is a great deal of cash on many companies balance sheets.
2. the credit markets are still open, if you have a company that has not cashed up the balance sheet at these rates both short and long they are idiots.

I beleive there is a good chance of QE3, but they probably will not call it that.

love many resource stocks but have sold or have many options against postions...., they have gotten thrashed and the worse may still be coming.

will not look to buy at the bottom will get a list of stocks I have always wanted and will wait, many still are not quite in the buying range.

gold will sell off if there is more carnage, if it gets really ugly people will sell their winners to raise much need funds.

if the sell off continues will look at the same things I did in 2008, yield. corporate debt spiked higher, and was a great time to buy....not sure it will get that bad again...., but like to be higher in the food chain. high yield debt had very good returns off of the bottom.

reits 8%+ or higher, and debt.

note: the US will have to grow at 2.5%-3% or they will have to raise revenue....time will tell.

finally in 2008 should have played some options 10-20% out of the money when the carnage was at it highest, and people were terrified, (including myself...at least a little.)....near the bottom have to think binary, sometimes in a bear market long term options can get very cheap....

binary because you make mulitples or lose the small amount invested...we are not at that stage yet though..


thanks
selkirk
 
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voice of reasoning as usual :)


S&P just downgraded US to AA+ expect the sell off to continune for funds that have to hold certain % of AAA grade investments?
 

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KBS the US will still be the refuge if the market falters, it begins to hit the fan if a second rating agency downgrades the US.

they will be given time to see how much cuts they come out, and how they work together, if the market falters the cdn. dollar will get hit, though it probably is one of the safest. people will go for the most liquid market and that is still the US.

if Italy and Spain can bring budgets in line then they can kick the can down the road, and slow growth can continue....time will tell...

did not buy much some cnr (CNI ) below 70cdn....and just missed out on some agu before it recovered.

if the market recovers resources will do great the fed is not raising rates until 2013, that is a long time to be on hold....

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selkirk
 
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