SI rips SEC scheduling!!!

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'Bout time someone spits the truth besides ME!

SEC NON-SCHEDULING :mj07:

Every summer, when I get my first peek at the college football schedule, I do not get excited about Michigan-Ohio State, Oklahoma-Texas or even Notre Dame-Southern Cal (admittedly, not much to be excited about in that last rivalry of late).

It isn't that I loathe great rivalries. It's simply that those teams play one another every season. No, what I live for is seeing the teams who rarely meet, or have never met, play one another. I love to see unusual pairings.

Hey, it's the same reason we love interleague play or Dancing With the Stars. It's the difference between watching Frankenstein or watching Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein (the film, by the way, which director Quentin Tarantino credits for setting him on his career path).

Contests between schools who do not compete in the same conference are known as "intersectional games," except in the Southeastern Conference, where they are known as "wins." :lol2 See, SEC teams rarely schedule worthy non-conference foes and even less often do they leave home to play them. Les Miles isn't just an SEC coach; it's an SEC credo. This year the 12 SEC schools will play a total of six intersectional games on the road.:scared They are:

Sept. 1: Vanderbilt at Wake Forest
Sept. 17: Mississippi State at Tulane
Sept. 17: Arkansas at Southern California
Sept. 17: Kentucky at Indiana
Nov. 5 : Tennessee at Notre Dame
Nov. 26 : Georgia at Georgia Tech (though this is actually an annual rivalry)

Kudos to the Hogs and Vols for risking their seasons with a tough road trip. Shame on Auburn, Florida and LSU for playing it safe.
Memo to the SEC: This is why you can go undefeated and not play for the national title. We don't want to hear how the SEC is the toughest conference in the nation after it went 3-3 last bowl season. :lol2

Memo No. 2 to the SEC: There's this contraption, see. You put people in it and it magically transports them through space. No, not the General Lee. An airplane. Try it sometime. :lol2

Back to our story. Intersectional matchups, without fail provide, some of the most memorable moments of any season. Just a few examples:

? Boston College 47, Miami 45 (1984): Doug Flutie to Gerard Phalen.
? Miami 31, Michigan 30 (1988): The Hurricanes trailed 30-14 midway through the fourth quarter and won.
? Colorado 27, Michigan 26 (1994): The Miracle in Michigan: Kordell Stewart's pass is tipped by Blake Anderson to Michael Westbrook on the final play.
? Washington 38, Miami 20 (1995): The Huskies end the Hurricanes' NCAA-record 58-game unbeaten streak.
? Arizona State 19, Nebraska 0 (1996): The Sun Devils hand the Huskers their first regular-season loss in four years.
? Miami 48, UCLA 45 (1998): The hurricane-delayed (some three months) contest allows the Hurricanes to wipe out the Bruins' national-title hopes.

There are dozens more from just the past 20 seasons, which I've failed to mention. The point is, intersectional matchups rock. Athletic directors owe it to fans to schedule at least one non-conference opponent who is better than a 10-point underdog each season. A cursory glance at the list above illustrates Miami and Michigan deserve extra-special props for giving the people what they want. Notre Dame, being an independent, plays nothing but non-conference games, so I did not include them, but the Irish always play at least three top-10 teams each season -- or so it seems. This year they're Michigan, Southern Cal and Tennessee.

Here's my list of this year's top 10 intersectional games (not including the previously mentioned Notre Dame games), in chronological order:

September 3: Boise State at Georgia. The Broncos finished 11-1 and second in the nation in scoring offense (48.9 ppg) a year ago, and everyone on offense is back. The Dawgs were ninth in scoring defense. Credit BSU coach Dan Hawkins for giving his players the experience of playing between the hedges. This is Bad News Bears at the Astrodome material.

September 3: Wyoming at Florida. Don't laugh. It's Urban Meyer's debut in The Swamp, but the coach on the visitor's sideline has an impressive a resume too. Joe Glenn won three national titles in the past decade: two at D-II Northern Colorado and one at D-IAA Montana. Plus, Wyoming played Utah a year ago, losing 45-28, so Glenn is game-prepped for Meyer.

September 3: Georgia Tech at Auburn. These two schools are only about 110 miles apart and have a long, heated history. The Yellow Jackets and Tigers met 91 times between 1892 and 1987 but have played just once since (Tech won 17-3 in 2003). Tigers must replace four NFL first-rounders from their 13-0 squad. It's also on national TV in prime time.

September 10: Texas at Ohio State. This is THE GAME this year, and on my birthday! (45 more shopping days). Aaaand, the Yankees host the Red Sox while the Irish visit Michigan the same day. I'm fixin' to 'splode, I'm so psyched. The Horseshoe is the place to be this day. Longhorn QB Vince Young versus Buckeye linebacker A.J. Hawk, arguably the nation's top offensive player against the top defensive player. As for linebacker last names, Hawk belongs up there with Butkus and Stonebreaker.

September 10: Arizona State at LSU. A pair of 9-3 squads from a year ago meet in Death Valley. The Tigers learned their lesson about Pac-10 schools last season, when Oregon State came a callin'.

September 17: Oklahoma at UCLA. This is the most attractive brand-name game this side of Texas-Ohio State, but does anyone really believe the Bruins can pull off the upset in this Grapes of Wrath Bowl? The better question is whether this will be the Sooners only visit to Pasadena this season.

September 17: Pittsburgh at Nebraska. Let the commentators talk about ex-NFL coaches Dave Wannstedt and Bill Callahan. I'm more interested in seeing how Panther QB Tyler Palko operates amidst the Red Sea.

September 21: Bowling Green at Boise State. The MAC daddies and conference player of the year, quarterback Omar Jacobs, invade the Smurf Turf in Boise for this Wednesday night matchup. Bronco QB Jared Zabransky will be fired up to prove he's the better passer in this game.

September 24: Colorado at Miami. An awesome matchup ... in 1990! But a clash such as this gives the Buffs a chance to recoup some credibility on the same field where they clinched the national title against Notre Dame (IT WASN'T A CLIP!!!! OK, I'm fine now) on New Year's Night, 1991.

November 19: Fresno State at Southern Cal. Again, don't laugh. The Trojans play at Cal the week before, so there's the potential hangover-factor when Pat Hill and the Bulldogs visit. Fresno State is 3-0 versus Pac-10 in the past two seasons.

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I do know there will be countless delusional posters here at MJ's that will still believe the SEC is vastly superior even when the facts are against them! I love it when a person makes a statement and backs it up with facts. Can't make a better argument than that! Great job by John Walters. I must say, he reminds me of myself!

Unfortunately this year, a few Pac 10 teams wussed out like the SEC.

Arizona vs. Northern Arizona
Cal vs. Sacramento State
Oregon vs. Montana
Oregon State vs. Portland State
Stanford vs. UC Davis
Washington State vs. Grambling.

If these schools keep this up, the Pac 10 will be getting these same criticisms as the SEC. :mj07:

Although there might be 1 or 2 articles about the SEC scheduling, it is not going to matter during the regular seasons. SEC teams, due to their weak scheduling, will be, in general, ranked ahead of Pac Ten teams, due to their strong scheduling, especially when nonconference season ends at the end of September. Media will continue pimping the SEC and hating on the Pac Ten, due to nonconference records. The Pac Ten, esp that pussy TOm Hansen, might have f@cked up when they decided to schedule only 3 nonconference games instead of 4 nonconference games. Most of these SEC teams will schedule lame-os and will end up 4-0 nonconference. I am a USC fan so I like the Pac 10 playing everyone, but that will not help in getting respect. Especially to the delusional who think the SEC is vastly superior. Pac 10 needs to schedule more SEC OOC games and keep on winning like they have!
 
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he rips the SEC in his article about their weak scheduling, yet 4 of his top 10 intersectional games include SEC teams. :mj03:

And that doesn't even include Florida-FSU.

What kind of idiot backs up their "weak scheduling" claim and then says "now for my top 10" I've got SEC, SEC, SEC, and another SEC game.

nice article :mj07:
 

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Scott,

Why must you continue to keep this fire going?


Northern Arizona
Temple
Sac State
New Mexico State
Portland State
Montana
UC Davis-Who in the hell is this team
Idaho
Grambling

Now these are some of the non-conf games for the Pac 10 so I would not say they go out of their way scheduling a murders row.


Again both you and the writer fail to account for:

1. Some states mandate that state universities must play a team within in the state. For example, The Ohio State University is mandated to play one state school from Ohio per year in football on a rotating basis.

2. Again you both fail to note that a vast majority of the scheduling is about money and a teams ability to draw well at home to guarantee funds for the off programs that do not generate revenue. Whereas a team like Stanford would be willing to travel to play Navy because Stanford more than likely has a payday equal to what they would earn for hosting a home game since they do not draw well, but teams that average 80k and over would be giving up revenues by passing on a home game.

3. You both also fail to note that many of these games are package deals that are also arranged to feed the non-revenue producing sports with future games. For example, the OOC schedule you ridicule for Arkansas actually makes sense as all of the teams that they scheduled probably have a deal in place to play OOC baseball, or womens sports against the hogs to cut down on travel expenses while at the same time getting a nice payday.

4. TO ridicule any teams OOC schedule when a PAC 10 member Cal and Wash St both play one of the weakest OOC schedules in the country (Texas Tech is neck and neck) makes no sense.
 

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Read the article again. Here is a clue. ALL FOUR OF THE GAMES HE LISTED ARE HOME GAMES FOR THOSE SEC TEAMS!!! NOT ROAD GAMES! This might be a reach, but I think winning at home is so much easier than winning on the road. But I might be in the minority with this opinion. I mean, so many people here think the SEC is vastly superior yet they never play on the road. So maybe posters here don't see a difference playing on the road and at home. :mj03:



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Scott,

Did you check out this writers previous articles that he has written for SI? Not a real good source for college football if you ask me.

How can someone not be a good source for CFB when he uses FACTS in his argument? Any good debater will always try and use facts to support his opinion. That is exactly what this writer did. He looked up the data and spit it out. NOBODY can dispute it. That is why this was a great article. Many posters here will dislike it because it contradicts their delusional opinion of the SEC being vastly superior. That is common sense!

Master Capper said:
Scott,

Why must you continue to keep this fire going?

If you do not like what you are reading, you have the choice of not reading it. Some people don't like reading a post filled with facts that contradict their opinion.


Northern Arizona
Temple
Sac State
New Mexico State
Portland State
Montana
UC Davis-Who in the hell is this team
Idaho
Grambling

Now these are some of the non-conf games for the Pac 10 so I would not say they go out of their way scheduling a murders row.

I mentioned that in my post. But this argument/article is not just about this year. SEC has been doing this for YEARS! Nobody seems to pay attention but this last year people are "starting" to notice. Before it was NEVER mentioned. Why? Because people hate reading facts that contradict their own opinion.


Again both you and the writer fail to account for:

1. Some states mandate that state universities must play a team within in the state. For example, The Ohio State University is mandated to play one state school from Ohio per year in football on a rotating basis.

BOO HOO! If that is true then that still doesn't change the argument. Why would anybody give a conf./teams a free pass? NOT ME! If you are forced to play 1aa or $hit 1a and at home, then fine, but don't go looking for respect. Stop giving this conf. a free pass! You can't have it both ways!

2. Again you both fail to note that a vast majority of the scheduling is about money and a teams ability to draw well at home to guarantee funds for the off programs that do not generate revenue. Whereas a team like Stanford would be willing to travel to play Navy because Stanford more than likely has a payday equal to what they would earn for hosting a home game since they do not draw well, but teams that average 80k and over would be giving up revenues by passing on a home game.

Again, that is fine. But that doesn't mean you look past it and give the SEC a free pass. This is a valid argument AGAINST the SEC. The facts do not lie. Stop giving out free passes!

3. You both also fail to note that many of these games are package deals that are also arranged to feed the non-revenue producing sports with future games. For example, the OOC schedule you ridicule for Arkansas actually makes sense as all of the teams that they scheduled probably have a deal in place to play OOC baseball, or womens sports against the hogs to cut down on travel expenses while at the same time getting a nice payday.

Once again, WHO CARES! Stop trying to justify it. If the SEC chooses to play those games, has to play those games financially, or is forced to play those games, IT DOESN"T MATTER! Respect is earned. You can't give out free passes and claim the SEC is superior! Can't have it both ways!

4. TO ridicule any teams OOC schedule when a PAC 10 member Cal and Wash St both play one of the weakest OOC schedules in the country (Texas Tech is neck and neck) makes no sense.

Again, this is not just about this year. SEC didn't fool everybody thinking they are vastly superior this season? Last season? We are talking about YEARS and 10 teams in Pac 10, & 12 teams in SEC. I mentioned this year a few Pac 10 teams have started playing like SEC. But maybe that is the ticket to gaining respect with all these DELUSIONAL CFB FANS ACROSS THE COUNTRY! SEC gets so much respect without earning it and everyone gives them free passes! An intelligent fan would see right past it. The facts don't lie!
 
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Scott

I remember thinking ndhorns2002 should not have left this site to form *** ***** on account of your bullshit. Hell, he is unquestionably a far better capper than you and he offered this site far more than you ever will. I felt MadJack should have put you out on the street rather than lose him. Lord knows this website would have been far better served.

At this point it is evident that year after year, college football enthusiasts at MJs will be forced to listen to your rants. I certainly hope we do not lose any more quality cappers due to your nonsense.

I will now exercise my right to put you on IGNORE, permanently.

Cie:weed:
 

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I did read the article Scott....and laughed the whole time. Any writer could pick apart every major conference's scheduling if he/she wanted to. However, this idiot follows his "See SEC teams rarely schedule worthy non-conference foes"....with here is my TOp 10 that is filled with SEC teams. Correct me if I'm wrong, but was there another conference (Big 12 also had four listed) with MORE teams in his Top 10 games than the SEC??? I didn't think so.
 

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You bring up a good point. I laughed at that as well. But he did bring up the issue SEC doesn't travel. That is one of his problems with the SEC. I share that same opinion. The SEC games that are on his list are all "home" games for the 4 SEC teams.



Cie Grant said:
Scott

I remember thinking ndhorns2002 should not have left this site to form Lee Sports on account of your bullshit. Hell, he is unquestionably a far better capper than you and he offered this site far more than you ever will. I felt MadJack should have put you out on the street rather than lose him. Lord knows this website would have been far better served.

Boo hoo. :mj10: First off, what did your post have to do with CFB? Why do you waste YOUR TIME talking about me? I could care less what you think about me. Your post was OFF TOPIC! Second, I hope every capper at MJ's is better than me so we all are winners! That is what this site is about. I am not competing with anyone and I wish everyone the best. I am only competing against the sportsbook. I personally cannot be happier with my handicapping results and winning %. I post all my big plays with detailed analysis. Everything documented. Over 80% winning percentage speaks for itself! Can't do much better than that. I am happy.

At this point it is evident that year after year, college football enthusiasts at MJs will be forced to listen to your rants. I certainly hope we do not lose any more quality cappers due to your nonsense.

WRONG!

You do not have to read my posts or open my threads. That is your choice. MJ allows 50 threads on one page. Right now I think there are only 20 active threads. Maybe less. So there are 30 more threads that are not being used. GO USE THEM! Post something that interests you!

#2, this is the off-season and everything I post is related to college football. Unlike some here, I could care less about people personally and I do not get into personal attacks. You are trying to make this into a soap opera. This is a college football forum.

I will now exercise my right to put you on IGNORE, permanently.

Cie:weed:

You should have done it a long time ago! :thumb:
 
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projected sec ooc record in 2005....44-4........ooc record vs other bcs schools (4-4)....that's 40-0 vs citadale and la monroe, etc....better rank 7 sec teams in the top 25 heading into october!
 

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Whats the PAc 10's projected recore against:


Northern Arizona
Temple
Sac State
New Mexico State
Portland State
Montana
UC Davis-Who in the hell is this team
Idaho
Grambling
 

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probably about the same as

houston
murray state
tulane
central fla
troy (is brad pitt playing qb)
uab
memphis
richmond
middle tenn x 2
utah state
missouri state u
ul monroe x 2
ball state
w. kentucky
la tech
idaho state
no texas
app state
citadale

an impressive list of mid-majors.....too bad this isnt the sec hoops schedule where the ooc opponents get even worse.
 

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Man you guys ought to ponder growing up. Everyone's OOC schedule generally sucks. The constant whining eradicates any credibility you all had, to the extent some of you had it.

As for Houston, last I checked they are playing Oregon too. If you all are going to shit on each other in a useless manner, at least have your bullshit straight. I would venture that not a single one of those SEC OOC are as bad as UC_whatever, Grambling, N Arizona, or frankly any of those listed Pac 10 teams. But, again, other than ahandful of games the whole counrty plays shit OOC, and anyone calling out anyone else is simply a fool.
 

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But, again, other than ahandful of games the whole counrty plays shit OOC, and anyone calling out anyone else is simply a fool.

Lets see, Master Capper listed 9 questionable OOC games for the Pac 10. Gjn23 listed 19 questionable OOC games for the SEC.

I am glad Sun Tzu was able to inform us all conferences have teams who play $hit OOC games. I did not know that! I guess according to Sun Tzu, Gjn23 is a fool for listing 10 more questionable OOC games from the SEC vs the Pac 10. According to Sun Tzu, there is no difference. :rolleyes:
 

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For starters they werent all listed - like Oregon v Houston, which apparently is a questionable game per the sage gjn. Could add plenty of games to both lists lists. Like Illinois or Navy or Rice or San Diego State or Hawaii or Air Force or Nevada- there's a doozy that falsely looks like a real game. Just like college hoops - playing #60 is just as automatic a W as #90 - it is ridiculous to act is if one is a better win than the other, or that it indicates strong scheduling. And considering one conference has 2 more teams, I would expect it to have a few more shit games.

What real non-conf games are there this year? Texas-Ohio State. Florida-Florida State. I guess Oklahoma-UCLA if the Bruins are anything. Arizona State-LSU. USC-Ark, except Ark has something like 3 returning starters. Probably a handful more, but that's about it. Of course those Pac 10 games are at home.

But bottom line, who ****ing cares except you whiny adolescents. It is a stupid argument that adds nothing to the forum's purpose except demonstrating the never-ending inferiority complex some of you have about certain schools, as if you have been personally attacked. Trying to argue that one conferences shitty OOC schedule is somehow less shitty than anothers is just absurd. As if having 9 or 12 bad games is somehow wonderful. But then again, I have come to expect it from some of those on this thread.
 
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