So no liberal can explain Dem Senator's Monday comments?? LOL

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HELLO?????????? EARTH TO LIBERALS???? YOU HAVE SOME EXPLAINING TO DO.......


Democrat Senator Carl Levin made these comments on MONDAY!!!!!!



"There was plenty of evidence that Saddam had nuclear weapons, by the way. That is not in dispute. There is plenty of evidence of that."


he has also said......

"The war against terrorism will not be finished as long as he Saddam Hussein is in power."


I love it. :clap: :mj07: Call Bush a liar but you yourself lied!!!!!! Just like Clinton, Gore, Berger, Pelosi, Kennedy, Kerry, Hillary, Edwards, Albright, etc etc etc!!!!!

You gotta love the democrats of today!!! COMPLETE AND UTTER HYPOCRITES!!!!! :s4: :mj07:
 
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I know I posted this yesterday and it pains you liberals to read the sad truth about your hypocritical political party but I would love to hear a good explaination as to why Bush is a liar if all these democrats said the same goddamn thing. What a bunch of hypocrite losers.
 

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I guess you didn't here the time frame that Levin was taking about.
 

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Guys, please stop this ranting about who agreed about what. The important thing is that democracy is on the march in Iraq.
 

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If I were a Republican right now, I would probably be making huge leaps in logic as well. Of course, you are just following the standard Republican party playbook of attacking the other party when things aren't going well for you. It was an odd thing for Levin to say, but the conversation was about the Bush administration's knowingly false attempts to link Iraq/Saddam to 9-11/al Qaeda so as to justify a war. There are plenty of countries (North Korea, China, etc.) we don't like that have nuclear capabilities, but we haven't started a war with them (I wonder why.......).

A couple of important points you are disregarding in your huge logical leap:

1. If one person says something odd, or contradicts himself, it does not make everyone in his party a hypocrite.

2. It also does not mean that Bush is not a liar.
 

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hey charles, i am not a liberal, but are you excusing Cheney/bush's performance based on democrat's statements ??

Is this what this thread is all about? So the Dems are idiots too.Big deal !



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Iraq might be free in 10 years. It's a mess. I see Rice arrived there today with her bullet proof vest on like all others in her party were waring. Ya its a great vacation spot. So far they believe 300000 Iraqis have fled to Jordan.
 

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i don't think it takes a nuclear physicist to see what Charlie continues to point out. The Dems (and the Repubs) speak out of both sides of their mouthes. Almost every key member of the Democratic party has stated at one time or another that Saddam had nukes or was trying to procure them or had WMD's. Then suddenly they all changed their tune. Then it became bad intelligence; then it became purposeful misleading; then it became lying. There is no shortage of hypocrites in politics on both sides. And who was the guy that supplied the intelligence Bush/Cheney relied upon? And who did he previously work for in the same capacity?
 

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How about this story, which addresses your tirade pretty well, Charles. It is not accurate to say that senators and congressional leaders felt the same way about the "evidence" and agreed with Bush. They simply did not HAVE all of the information the White House had and either embellished or outright fabricated when trying to make a decision. Not only that...this administration used the runup to the election to portray anyone that might have been asking questions or saying it was a bad idea to attack Iraq as being unpatriotic or weak on defense. Yes, they made up intelligence, hid valid reports that differed from their public "information" and used that against anyone that did not come on board. I would agree that there is some measure of hypocrisy in some of the democratic outcry now, but you should at least admit that for some of them to keep their positions, they had to go along to an extent. Doesn't make it right, but has happened for years, on both sides. The thing is...they had to go along, because of what the administration constructed. They did NOT have the same intelligence, and to say that is not true. Here is a quick article that addresses that, and your rant, pretty well:

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The president attacks his critics

We said it was coming, and here it is: On Veterans Day, George W. Bush is defending his administration's use of intelligence in the run-up to the Iraq war, not by rebutting the charges that have been made, but by attacking those who have made them.

In a speech in Pennsylvania today, the president accused his critics of making "baseless attacks," rewriting history and throwing out "false charges" that serve only to undercut the troops now serving in Iraq. Although a Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll released this week showed that 57 percent of the American public now believes that the president deliberately misled the country about the case for war in Iraq, Bush marginalized those concerns as the wild charges of "some Democrats and anti-war critics." He said it's important to remember that "more than 100 Democrats in the House and the Senate who had access to the same intelligence voted to support removing Saddam Hussein from power."

But of course, members of the House and Senate weren't privy to all of the same intelligence the White House was. As Kevin Drum wrote the other day, it's true that lots of people thought before the war that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. "The problem is . . . that there were also a fair number of people who had been skeptical about Iraqi WMD. INR, for example, thought the African uranium was bogus. DIA thought our prime witness for Iraqi-al-Qaida WMD collaboration was lying. The Air Force found the evidence on drones to be laughable. DOE didn't believe in the aluminum tubes. None of these dissents was acknowledged by the Bush administration."

How would the prewar debate have gone if everyone knew what the administration knew before the war started: that stories from an al-Qaida member about an Iraq connection had been called into question; that warnings Colin Powell delivered about mobile weapons labs weren't based on solid evidence; that claims about an Iraq-Niger had been debunked within the CIA before Bush made them; that pronouncements Condoleezza Rice made about aluminum tubes had been discredited before she spoke?

We weren't able to have that kind of debate before the war began because the administration kept any questions, any uncertainties, any second-guessing entirely to itself. As John Kerry said this afternoon, the White House "misled a nation into war by cherry-picking intelligence and stretching the truth beyond recognition."


At the prodding of Harry Reid and other Democrats, the Senate Intelligence Committee is finally examining the administration's representations before the war to see how they match up not just with the intelligence that supported them but also with the analysis that called them into question. That query comes too late for 2,062 Americans. It comes too late for those who hoped a different president, with a different course for the country, might be in the Oval Office today. As for this president? It doesn't seem to matter if the truth comes out at all. As his poll numbers plummet, as his party begins to look past him, he spends Veterans Day on a stage set in Pennsylvania, insisting that it doesn't matter that he was wrong about war because the people he fooled were wrong about it, too.

-- Tim Grieve, Salon.com
 

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My fav quotes today after Bush speech

Kennedy ""Its time for the president to restore the trust of the American people in their leaders by coming clean about the war."

Bush should respond--believe there are few people waiting for you to come clean on "a few incisents" Ted!.

Kerry--Kerry, one of 29 Democrats who voted for the war, responded by accusing Bush of dishonoring "America's veterans by playing the politics of fear and smear on Veterans Day."

Hmm Kerry acusing some one of dishonoring vets--What is it he called us--baby killing barbarians reminiscent of Genghis Khan.
Give me 2 minutes alone with this M-F.
 

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Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire?

Friday, November 11, 2005

By Brit Hume



Now some fresh pickings from the Political Grapevine:

Former CIA officer and one time FOX contributor Larry Johnson is calling retired general and FOX military analyst Paul Vallely a "right wing [hack] making up facts,? after Vallely said former Ambassador Joseph Wilson told him his wife worked at the CIA as both waited to appear on FOX programs.

This as liberal Websites say they have proof Vallely is lying, saying research service LexisNexis shows Vallely and Wilson never appeared on FOX on the same day. But in fact, Vallely and Wilson appeared on the same day nine times in 2002, and on the same show twice ? on September 8 and September 12, when both men appeared within 15 minutes of one another.

Taking it Back?

Meanwhile, NBC's senior diplomatic correspondent Andrea Mitchell now says she never meant to say that it was "widely known" that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA before the fact was publicized by columnist Robert Novak. Mitchell says online bloggers took her words out of context, telling a talk show host that she merely said people knew that a secret administration envoy, which turned out to be Wilson, had been sent to Niger.

But in a 2003 interview, Mitchell was asked specifically about how many people knew that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA. Mitchell answered, "It was widely known among those of us who cover the intelligence community and who were actively engaged in trying to track down who among the Foreign Service community was the envoy to Niger."

Labor Leak?

Yet another leak investigation on Capitol Hill: this time into how Bloomberg News obtained a confidential document containing personal pension plan information on hundreds of companies from the House Workforce Committee. Last month, a member of the Committee's Democratic staff reported that the document, meant to help committee members draft pension reform legislation, had been taken without permission from a staff office by a Bloomberg employee.

The document has since been returned, but the committee?s ranking members have asked Capitol Police Chief Terrance Gainer to conduct a thorough investigation, saying the document was given to Congress on the condition that it be treated in a strictly confidential manner.
 
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djv

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Remember Cheneys secrete energy meeting with a few oil folks to mention a few CEO's. How high has oil went since those meetings.
 

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Hey charles, why don't you stay accountable for your own buffoons and forget about Democrats. You own all 3 branches of government and this presidency is officially down the tubes. You want to blame Jimmy Carter? This war is a failure and Bush owns it. He also spends like a sailor in a whore house and now has one of the biggest deficits in this history of the world. His VP is a lying traitor and so is his top guy in the WH. Forget about the dems and clean up your own house you loser.
 

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hypocracy is alive & well in washington......

i can understand the senators & congressmen who voted against going into iraq to criticize the war....

but those two faced bastards who agreed to send troops to iraq have no business to openly blame bush...they agreed with it & to now criticize bush is, quite frankly sickening....but not surprising..
 

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Who was in charge of info that everyone used to send any troops.
Who helped cook the books. We all know now unless you want to still buy the lies.
 

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NUN-BUSH---deals monty.

NUN-BUSH---deals monty.

Who cares what these Democrats said. They were provided this information from Fuhrer Bush. So was Tony Blair given the same cock and bull story. These idiot liberals are just what they are, IDIOTS. This is what they get for listening to two con-artists who were out to make a score.

Now the DEMS find out NUN-BUSH was lying after supporting him based on his info. Tony Blair who supported Bush/Cheney's " FOLLY" now comes to realise that they are liars.

So now two things have held true so far...
Cheney/Bush are liars. And the democrat liberals are idiots for believing them . he he he :s4:


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Now if we could only get the last of the bush hold-outs ,at The Bunker, to at least acknowledge that they were conned too like Tony Blair et al.

NEW YORK ONE NEWS POLL SUNDAY NOVEMBER 13, 2005.

Bush hits lowest ever. Also in a survey, 7 out of 10 now find Bush Untrustworthy.

Charles Manson , are you one of the 3 % ?

Charles Manson, do you somehow still approve of President Cheney's actions ? Because of what liberals said?

Are you in good hands with All state :mj07: ?
 

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He's at an Anne Coulter book signing tonight. He'll be back soon to blame those rotten liberals for the war and the deficit and tell us we need to "support the troops" and Jail the pot smokers. And ban the gays. And the abortionists. Ban em all.
 
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