I played ball for almost 19 years of my life. Went through many coaches and many different situations. I don't know how someone can come in here and say that with a man on first, no outs, and down 1 run late in the game, that they SHOULDN'T bunt. that is plain horseshit. yes, technology has changed, but so have the egos. ANYONE who knows the game should know that you BUNT in that situation. i dont care if you have freakin Barry Bonds, or Shawn estes at the plate. YOU FREAKIN bunt. I really dont think people understand the game these days. its fundamental freakin baseball. Its plain disguting. get on, bunt them over, get them in. THATS hitting for ya. And when theres a guy on third with less than 2 outs, you freakin hit the ball to the right side of the infield or a fly ball. just put the ball in play in that situation. It flat out pisses me off when people dont understand the game. Managers especially. by god, when I become one, i sure as hell will play the game the way its suppose to be played. yeah, I still have things to learn about the game, but thats the way its suppose to be. There is noone who knows the game perfect, you learn something new everyday. I'm sick and tired of people going on and on about technology when it only prevails only ever so often. Play the freakin game the way its suppose to be played!!!!!!
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i agree with you on that. the game has gotten away from station to staition small ball make things happen,and that is how i coached put the perssure on deff,i was a big hit and run man,get the deff moving.
now its a game of trying to get the 2-3 run dong. just check out stolen bases,when is the last time you seen a delay steal or steal 3rd,its by far the easiest base to steal,or a slash and run for those who dont know its just like a hit and run but the batter squares up as to sac and i mean sac so you must square up to sell it then slaps the ball on the ground or line drive with a control swing,when infielders see a full square up they are going to charge , and when you hit the ball hard at a charging player it is almost impossable to field the ball and make a throw to get trailing runner out.if ball is on ground will never get lead guy out,this makes for alot of holes.
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now its a game of trying to get the 2-3 run dong. just check out stolen bases,when is the last time you seen a delay steal or steal 3rd,its by far the easiest base to steal,or a slash and run for those who dont know its just like a hit and run but the batter squares up as to sac and i mean sac so you must square up to sell it then slaps the ball on the ground or line drive with a control swing,when infielders see a full square up they are going to charge , and when you hit the ball hard at a charging player it is almost impossable to field the ball and make a throw to get trailing runner out.if ball is on ground will never get lead guy out,this makes for alot of holes.
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The question was a man on second and no outs. Do you give up an out to get him to third where it is still going to take a hit (most of the time) to score? You get him to second anyway you can but if he's already on sec, that's a different situation.
if I was managing and I had a guy on second and no outs, I would bunt it to get him over to third because then you can still hit a sac fly and get the run. (IF I WAS DOWN BY ONE RUN), but it's hard to say because we ALL know in this crazy game that things DO mess up. I mean, egos aside, play the game and do fundamentals and things should work themselves out.
I too get pissed off when there's a runner on first, no outs, and a hitter starts hacking away at the ball...i dunno..tough to say.
I too get pissed off when there's a runner on first, no outs, and a hitter starts hacking away at the ball...i dunno..tough to say.
Nothing more fun to watch on the online scoreboard than, runners on first (or first and second!) no outs and then the scoreboard reads:
GDP!
J
GDP!
J
The one thing I disagree with is, you don't bunt with your best hitter at the plate, especially with a bat control artist like a Tony Gwynn even if there are no outs. You take your chances in that situation, especially if you are the home team.
Now with a runner on second and no outs, you have to bunt him to third and go from there, just my 2 cents
Now with a runner on second and no outs, you have to bunt him to third and go from there, just my 2 cents
What pisses me is when guys with below average slugging averages swing at out of the zone pitches on 3 and 0 and 3 and 1 counts . . . especially if they hit into a double play.
Coot, that is what I meant in my post about Zimmer. Technology calls way too many plays today instead of the "horse sense" of old.
Coot, that is what I meant in my post about Zimmer. Technology calls way too many plays today instead of the "horse sense" of old.
WHY BUNT? when...
Bunting is pretty much a lost art...I would venture to say that many major leaguers can't bunt, or are at least very poor bunters. With the DH in the AL, pitchers do not get the chance to bunt.
Used to be that if the pitcher got up with a base runner(s) and less than 2 outs, he was always going to try to bunt the runner ahead a base to get to the lead-off hitter to the plate.
That may be the reason the managers are not calling that bunt/sacrafice play - a .250 hitter has a one in 4 chance of a hit, but he may be a .100 or even less successful bunter. I wonder if they even spend much time at spring training working on the bunts?
How many times in the recent years have you seen batters try and bunt for a base hit ? Several past lead-off hitters would try this at least once a game, to get on base. Never see it anymore...TT
Bunting is pretty much a lost art...I would venture to say that many major leaguers can't bunt, or are at least very poor bunters. With the DH in the AL, pitchers do not get the chance to bunt.
Used to be that if the pitcher got up with a base runner(s) and less than 2 outs, he was always going to try to bunt the runner ahead a base to get to the lead-off hitter to the plate.
That may be the reason the managers are not calling that bunt/sacrafice play - a .250 hitter has a one in 4 chance of a hit, but he may be a .100 or even less successful bunter. I wonder if they even spend much time at spring training working on the bunts?
How many times in the recent years have you seen batters try and bunt for a base hit ? Several past lead-off hitters would try this at least once a game, to get on base. Never see it anymore...TT
bunting is NOT a lost art. Its the fact that players these days have an ego for their hitting style. Its the paycheck and stats that matter these days. There are a few exceptions. I think Bonds cares more about his team, so does Gonzalez of the D-backs. I dont care if you have the best bat control in the world. If its late in the game and theres a guy on 2nd base with NO outs, u bunt his ass over. Then, there is 5 things that can happen.
1) single-scores run
2) gorund ball right side-scores run
3) fly ball-scores run
4) balk-scores run
5) wild pitch-scores run
Only one thing that could mess things up- strike out. And thats what Ive been seeing alot. But most of all, BUNTING IS NOT A LOST ART- ITS A FORGOTTEN PART OF THE GAME
1) single-scores run
2) gorund ball right side-scores run
3) fly ball-scores run
4) balk-scores run
5) wild pitch-scores run
Only one thing that could mess things up- strike out. And thats what Ive been seeing alot. But most of all, BUNTING IS NOT A LOST ART- ITS A FORGOTTEN PART OF THE GAME
I'm sorry it depends on who the batter is PERIOD.
I would not have my best hitter or my top power hitter up there bunting with a man on 2nd & no outs, that is just plain bullshit.
I would not have my best hitter or my top power hitter up there bunting with a man on 2nd & no outs, that is just plain bullshit.
yeah, it may be bullshit, and I'm not saying to bunt him in every situation, but if he has been slumping, its plain stupid not to. YOU PLAY EVERY FREAKIN GAME LIKE ITS YOUR LAST. As if it were game 7 of the world series. go back and watch old tapes of the early 60's and 70's. They played it right and took alot of stress off their hitters. ITS THE WAY THE FREAKIN GAME IS SUPPOSE TO BE PLAYED.
If my best batter has been slumping then I see the point of why he should bunt but if he is not, I do not want to take the bat out of his hands.
Some players are just horrible at bunting since it does seem to be a lost art but then comparing the game to its day in the 60's & 70's is quite unfair as well since today's game is more of an entertainment piece to a large mass then a sport which is quite sad
Some players are just horrible at bunting since it does seem to be a lost art but then comparing the game to its day in the 60's & 70's is quite unfair as well since today's game is more of an entertainment piece to a large mass then a sport which is quite sad
I wish MILW had done that yesterday! Can't recall if it happened three times, but I know at least twice, LOPES, who was a very agressive player, and is now as a manager, had a hit and run on with one out and man on first, or first and third and the guy struck out and runner thrown out to end the inning. The one time he did it, in the 3rd, he had SEXTON on deck!! His biggest bat with Jenkins out. All he did btw was lead off with a HR the next inning... I believe it was 1st and 3rd, one out... why not bunt here??? SPRINGER, a knuckeball pitcher, may be hard to bunt on, I don't know, but I'm thinking if the ball is coming up there at 75 instead of 95, it would be easy to get the ball down quick... with a runner on third, what's the catcher do... come out to get the ball and let the run score, or does he stay put and let an old out of shape pitcher go get the bunt, which either scores the run when he goes to first, or loads the bases for SEXTON... I don't know, I agree that bunting CAN be an aggressive style, hitting behind runners, stealing, etc... DET did it yesterday and the whole series against the YANKS. I like seeing it...
Tell me if you think I wrong.. It's all about EGO!!!! These guys ( or very few see no selfserving glory in the bunt.Same in baskets, do you think guys today spend all summer shooting thousands of free throws(as guys like Larry B. and'Magic ' did?? No they work on their 'hot dog 'shit.These guys today think it's me,me,me,and $$$$$$$.Spanky....
