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this was in today's editorial section of the arizona republic........

i'm very disappointed with the white house's lack of action on this......


White House can't stay silent as immigration debate warms up

Jul. 27, 2005 12:00 AM

It was the first major congressional debate in years about a problem that is international in scope and raises serious national security concerns.

Illegal immigration also holds more heat than an asphalt parking lot and cries out for some cool national leadership.

Arizona's two Republican senators, Jon Kyl and John McCain, were there Tuesday to make the case for their separate and competing reform packages.

The Bush White House was AWOL.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff and Labor Secretary Elaine Chao were supposed to testify at the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on comprehensive immigration reform. The Bush administration withdrew their names, without much explanation.

Sen. Arlen Specter, the committee chairman, complained that he "wanted to hear" what the Bush administration's program is, according to Billy House, The Republic's Washington reporter.

Specter wasn't the only one disappointed.

The nation turns frustrated eyes toward the president for some leadership.

It has been more than two years since Bush said a guest-worker program would be a good way to bring willing workers from outside the country to employers who wanted to hire them.

Since then, the bipartisan team of Sens. McCain and Ted Kennedy, D-Mass. have come up with a promising proposal.

Arizona Reps. Jim Kolbe and Jeff Flake, both Republicans, are involved in this worthwhile effort that deals realistically with the illegal immigrant population currently living here.

Kyl and Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas recently announced a different approach.

There is plenty to talk about.

The level of illegal immigration to the United States today "represents a threat to our national security, to our economy, to our health care system, and to our state and local government budgets," McCain told the committee.

It is also a "humanitarian crisis," he said.

The Bush administration should have joined that discussion Tuesday.

It's a discussion that should have begun years ago, as the Arizona desert was claiming the lives of increasing numbers of illegal border crossers and the number of undocumented immigrants living in this country was climbing toward 11 million.

Congress is finally beginning to do its job.

But Bush has yet to offer more than broad outlines on how to reform a shattered immigration policy.

This incendiary issue will not be solved without presidential leadership.

According to a story in Sunday's Los Angeles Times, White House strategists say Bush is planning to make immigration a top priority this fall by putting together a coalition made up of advocacy groups and business interests that rely on immigrant labor.

They will be asked to pony up $50,000 to $250,000 for a media campaign to support a program of increased border security and a guest-worker component, the Times said.

Congress, not paid political announcements, is the mechanism ordained by our form of government to discuss and deal with national issues.

Members of Congress, notably Arizona's two senators, have met with business and advocacy groups and crafted solutions that deserve to be debated.

The Senate Judiciary Committee started the process Tuesday.

The Bush administration should have been there.
 

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I think Bush will remain quiet as long as possible. I think the last time he spoke he called the Minutement "vigilantes". So they don't let him talk about any of this anymore. He only has to keep changing the subject for a couple more years and then it won't be his responsibility anymore.
 

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if we get hit...hard...and it can be proven that the perpetrators came across one of our borders,bush will be vilified....

by conservatives...by me....

there will be arguments as to the merits of his presidency.......long after he`s left office.....but,if we get hit by something big....by someone or some group that snuck across the border,he`ll have nowhere to hide....

the sad part is,the only politician that i`ve heard say anything substantial about out borders(including mccain`s bogus plan),is hilary....and she`s pro death penalty...and she was for welfare reform..she believes that we have to win in iraq.....and she`s leaning to the middle on abortion.....

she`s already got the massive liberal base...she`s a goddess to them....now,she`s playing to conservatives...and reports are that some are listening....even though many feel it`s nothing more than a ploy...

damn...the clinton`s are shrewd...
 
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gw,

i agree with you 100%.

hiliary is out maneuvering everybody else....even the liberals are starting to attack her.
 

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Bush is seriously disliked in California by many, and not just Dems. He has left California high and dry in regard to the immigration problem. He fudged on the Feds committment to reimburse California for their extraordinary expenses related to the immigration problem. He is sitting there twiddling his thumbs while we(Californians) get bombarded with costs and problems that we cannot fix. I guess he thinks if he ignores it, maybe it will go away.
It isn't going away. He has bowed down to Fox on more than one occasion for reasons unknown to me. The Hispanic vote will not be significant for the GOP even if they increase it.
 

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Ya I don't understand his silence. I'm getting so use to him running out and standing in front of some troops to get those photo apps. This must be a subject that he just does not give a chit about. It has no way to make or spend money so it's not worth his time I guess. But if we take a hit from insurgents coming across the border or with more Saudis involved. He goes down as one of top two worse Pres ever. He's close already.
 

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Saw McCain on Oreilly the other night AR and discussion on border was pretty heated. Sad thing is you will have neither party do what it takes for fear of losing Hispanic vote.
With Hispanics taking over lead on blacks as largest minority if Dems garnered 90% of hispanic vote as they do black vote you would for all pratical purposes have minoritys contoling all political elections.

"the sad part is,the only politician that i`ve heard say anything substantial about out borders(including mccain`s bogus plan),is hilary....and she`s pro death penalty...and she was for welfare reform..she believes that we have to win in iraq.....and she`s leaning to the middle on abortion"

I challenge anyone to find anything that Hillary said substantially on borders or war on Iraq other than shes against or for. She has given no reason "why" she is now for war in Iraq nor has she offered any solutions to border problem. She's taking you down yellow brick road with generalities and no solutions but it has been effective-- for now.
 

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Hillary is not president so I don't care today what she thinks. In fact I may never care. But if she at least has said it needs to be controlled, thats a start. However the ones in charge Today that are to give a chit don't seem to. As for O'Reilly. I think he really believes the country never ran right till he got on Nat T V. He's another one worried about Hillary. At least once every other week He invites the same dick head to sit there and blast her so he can shake his head and say all the negative thinks he want's. With no comeback from anyone. They call it fair and balanced. Why are they so dam scared of her. Shes a Senator. Worry more about bush he's gotten real scary.
 

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When has Bush said one iota that had truth about Iraq? Why judge Clinton for trying to clean up this debacle because it's true we cannot cut and run in Iraq for at least the next decade so we had better start to make some contingency plans since the administration had no plan for occupation.

On the borders, not only is the SW border completely unguarded the Canadian border and ports have had limited upgrades since 9-11 which again has to be attributed to the ineptness of the current regime. I am more concerned about the lack of seriousness about our ports as this would be a likely place that a dirty bomb could be brought into the country.
 

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ferd...i don`t think there are many conservatives that are well liked in cali....the schwarzenegger infatuation has ended....and that was more out of desperation from the liberal mess that was made of the state by gray davis and previous administrations......



dtb...that`s the beauty of hillary.....she never goes into detail on a subject...she hits you with a sound bite or two...and whatever she says gets enormous media coverage....

she cozies up to newt gingrich on one peripheral topic....with mccain on another.....and begins to look extremely moderate...and sensible...

who can run for congress...and not even live in the jurisdiction?.....hillary,that`s who.......

she`s a brilliant politician...just like her old man...

like `em or dislike `em....the republicans could take a page or two from their political playbook...

they`re pro`s..
 
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Is there one thing Bush has done well enough to actually have us fear the performance of ANY future president? It seems as though even the worst case scearios would not be as bad as Dubya. Sure, I'd give Hillary a shot. ...I'd give anyone a shot at this point.

GW - Don't a bunch of congressmen not reside in their jurisdiction? I could be wrong, but I thought that was fairly common. I agree that it doesn't make sense though.
 

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you may be right,smurph....i may be off..as matter of fact i know i am...pretty sure robert kennedy did it in n.y. in the 60`s...

..but i`d guess that most have some sort of affiliation with the state in which they aspire to serve....

you almost got the impression that hill just picked the biggest possible stage to continue the clinton monarchy in...

i`m not sure she couldn`t have picked practically any state she felt like serving in...that had an open seat..

clinton grew up in illinois; she went to college in massachusetts; she went to law school in connecticut; she spent her professional life in arkansas and washington.....

n.y. had an open seat...and it was the big stage...

a bump in the road on the way to the democratic presidential nomination...
 
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dtb quote:"I challenge anyone to find anything that Hillary said substantially on borders or war on Iraq other than shes against or for. She has given no reason "why" she is now for war in Iraq nor has she offered any solutions to border problem. She's taking you down yellow brick road with generalities and no solutions but it has been effective-- for now."


you're right that's why she is effective......who ever is calling the shots for her is doing a masterful job.
 

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AR182 said:
this was in today's editorial section of the arizona republic........

i'm very disappointed with the white house's lack of action on this......


White House can't stay silent as immigration debate warms up

Jul. 27, 2005 12:00 AM

It was the first major congressional debate in years about a problem that is international in scope and raises serious national security concerns.

Illegal immigration also holds more heat than an asphalt parking lot and cries out for some cool national leadership.

Arizona's two Republican senators, Jon Kyl and John McCain, were there Tuesday to make the case for their separate and competing reform packages.

The Bush White House was AWOL.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff and Labor Secretary Elaine Chao were supposed to testify at the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on comprehensive immigration reform. The Bush administration withdrew their names, without much explanation.

Sen. Arlen Specter, the committee chairman, complained that he "wanted to hear" what the Bush administration's program is, according to Billy House, The Republic's Washington reporter.

Specter wasn't the only one disappointed.

The nation turns frustrated eyes toward the president for some leadership.

It has been more than two years since Bush said a guest-worker program would be a good way to bring willing workers from outside the country to employers who wanted to hire them.

Since then, the bipartisan team of Sens. McCain and Ted Kennedy, D-Mass. have come up with a promising proposal.

Arizona Reps. Jim Kolbe and Jeff Flake, both Republicans, are involved in this worthwhile effort that deals realistically with the illegal immigrant population currently living here.

Kyl and Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas recently announced a different approach.

There is plenty to talk about.

The level of illegal immigration to the United States today "represents a threat to our national security, to our economy, to our health care system, and to our state and local government budgets," McCain told the committee.

It is also a "humanitarian crisis," he said.

The Bush administration should have joined that discussion Tuesday.

It's a discussion that should have begun years ago, as the Arizona desert was claiming the lives of increasing numbers of illegal border crossers and the number of undocumented immigrants living in this country was climbing toward 11 million.

Congress is finally beginning to do its job.

But Bush has yet to offer more than broad outlines on how to reform a shattered immigration policy.

This incendiary issue will not be solved without presidential leadership.

According to a story in Sunday's Los Angeles Times, White House strategists say Bush is planning to make immigration a top priority this fall by putting together a coalition made up of advocacy groups and business interests that rely on immigrant labor.

They will be asked to pony up $50,000 to $250,000 for a media campaign to support a program of increased border security and a guest-worker component, the Times said.

Congress, not paid political announcements, is the mechanism ordained by our form of government to discuss and deal with national issues.

Members of Congress, notably Arizona's two senators, have met with business and advocacy groups and crafted solutions that deserve to be debated.

The Senate Judiciary Committee started the process Tuesday.

The Bush administration should have been there.

Agreed 100% and hence why I claim Bush is a Liberal idiot on domestic issues ! Oh for a true conservative in the white house !
 
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