STEAM MOVES for Friday

[Never Caught Up]

STEAM MOVES
2-1-1 +100 Thursday
YTD 37-37-5 -139
MO-FR 24-16-4 935
SA-SU 13-21-1 -1074
MO 5-1-0 500
TU 8-7-0 120
WE 2-4-0 -260
TH 7-2-2 595
FR 2-2-2 -20
SA 7-13-1 -742
SU 6-8-0 -332

IMPORTANT: Read before playing any of these plays: http://www.madjacksports.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/008446.html

 

[Never Caught Up]

#111 BENGALS +2?

I know it is NFL, but at the request of Billy Barooooooo I am posting it here since I don't plan on putting these in the NFL forum.

 

[shaf]

Since you mention it, can I ask a question about your systems.... do you find the same Smart Money indicators in other sports... NFL and NBA and such? I have experienced extreme one sided outcomes (losses) when I find the best lines at certain books.... much more than chance would indicate... CRIS for example, I can not beat in the NBA when I find their line to be most favorable to my lean.
GL
shaf

 

[Never Caught Up]

Yes, I do, if you are referring to the FTSM PLAYs.

These steam moves are an entirely different thing. In the NFL I have not found the STEAM MOVES to be all that useful, but they usually move the line at least a point very quickly. I will post them and we will see how they fare. Be sure to read the link above so you understand the difference in a STEAM MOVE and an FTSM PLAY.

 

[shaf]

Thanks NCU... yes I understand the difference and I simply took the liberty to ask in this thread cause you mentioned NFL... do you still use Pinnicle for the indication in the other sports?? or there other books to key off of (like CRIS in NBA)??
Thanks for your work in the forum.
shaf

 

[Never Caught Up]

Yes. It is just my personal opinion that Pinnacle has the sharpest lines I have ever seen. Even last night they had the Yankees at -255 when everyone else was at -280 and up. I bet Tampa Bay at +270. It made no sense, but if it hadn't been for that ninth inning runner hit with the ball Tampa Bay would have won and Pinnacle had accumulated a ton of action on the Yanks. I just really respect their lines more than any other book I have ever used.

I bet a lot of middles which in effect pits one book against another except when the middles hit. In two years of betting middles I have not collected from Pinnacle one single time and no telling how much I have sent them. That says a lot.

[This message has been edited by Never Caught Up (edited 08-10-2001).]

 

[kosar]

NCU,

Just a question. Do you ever feel even a little bit awkward touting a book non-stop, everyday, that doesn't feel the need to help pay the bills here? I guess that I can't blame THEM, since they get TONS of free publicity every single day here. This includes posts from an employee of Pinnacle that posts here fairly often.

Pinnacle is ok, but hardly the 'pinnacle' of off-shore betting. I guess i've never seen anybody so vigorously tout a book day by day by day and I was just wondering if you considered at all the other books here (many who are equal and/or superior to Pinnacle) who pay the bills here.

Has it crossed your mind? Do you have any respect at all for the people that run this site?

Please don't respond with any sort of, " why shouldn't I talk about a book that I like"...It goes WAY beyond that, and you know it.

You are obviously new as far as betting off-shore betting goes, but I think that it should be common sense that you don't continually piss on somebody else's floor.

 

[Never Caught Up]

Kosar, I don't tout them. I can't beat them. I don't even like them. Someone asks me a direct question about them. I answer them.

You stay out of my threads and I will damn sure stay out of yours.

Now, Go **** yourself.


[This message has been edited by Never Caught Up (edited 08-10-2001).]

 

[bohawk]

Why can`t we all just get along ?

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"Quick Watson,the Game`s afoot!" bohawk

 

[kosar]

"Kosar, I don't tout them. I can't beat them."

Please stop. You tout them every day.

"I don't even like them. Someone asks me a direct question about them. I answer them."

It has little to do with this post. What percentage of the time would you say that you were asked a 'direct question' about Pinncale? Over/under--- 10%


"You stay out of my threads and I will damn sure stay out of yours."

When you stop propagating nonsense, I *may* consider staying out of your threads. You are welcome in mine anytime.

"Now, Go **** yourself."

Nice.

 

[Never Caught Up]

Tell you what Kosar.

If everyone else thinks it is nonsesnse and will so state that in this post you will not have to worry about seeing me post anything else again. I will quietly disappear. I have far more important things to do with my time than try to post helpful information where it isn't wanted.

Otherwise, I ask that you to kindly leave me alone. You have no right to come on this thread and insult me and put me down.

[This message has been edited by Never Caught Up (edited 08-10-2001).]

 

[WORM]

APPRECIATE ALL OF THE HARD WORK YOU DO N.C.U. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE EVERYONE USING THE BOOKS THAT SUPPORT MJ'S BUT YOU GOT TO DO WHAT YOU GO TO DO. I THINK YOU HELP THIS SIGHT TREMEDOUSLY. WHEN SOMEONE COMES OUT AN ATTACKS JUST IGNORE CAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE LOOKING FOWARD TO YOUR POSTS.

KEEP IT UP!!!!!

 

[kosar]

"Tell you what Kosar.

If everyone else thinks it is nonsesnse and will so state that in this post you will not have to worry about seeing me post anything else again. I will quietly disappear."

I'll get back to that another time. My point in THIS thread (which you have not addressed whatsoever) revolves around the fact that you and 2 or 3 others(including an employee of Pinnacle that doesn't identify himself as such) do nothing but tout Pinnacle here with no regard whatsoever to the principles and/or the books that comprise this site. FACT.


"Otherwise, I ask that you to kindly leave me alone. You have no right to come on this thread and insult me and put me down."

Once again, have you at all considered this site at all as you continually tout Pinnacle day after day-including posting their link?.... What is the point of that? Perhaps you could answer THAT question.

 

[Randercity]

KOSAR... some of us appreciate the info, so if you don't WANT to use it, fine, don't. IF MJ or IE want to address this, let THEM do it because last time I checked, you are NOT the administrator... sounds to me like YOU WORK for one of those other books... hmmmm

And BTW... saying a BOOK has SHARP lines, is not a TOUT! HOW LONG you been around?? IF a book is sharp, they are TOUGH TO BEAT, not easy... give me an EASY BOOK every time. I don't know of one person in this forum that has or WOULD sign on for this reason. NCU pays good money to have his line service and spends hours a day updating us WITH VALUABLE INFO, so please... keep your jealousy to yourself.

[This message has been edited by Randercity (edited 08-10-2001).]

 

[Nick Douglas]

NCU,

I appreciate the work you do in posting these plays and I hope that you continue to post them. kosar is a trouble maker, pay no attention to him. He jumps in as a sh(it)stirrer all the time. Obviously anyone with a good knowledge of offshore books and half a brain knows that Pinnacle is a top book and they beat very, very good players day after day.

Ask yourself this: if there are so many offshores better than Pinnacle, then why can they afford to give a 5 cent vig on football and basketball and an 8 cent line on bases for all online bets? Not to mention keeping a ten cent bases line for large players while so many other books have gone to 15 or 20 cent lines.

Look, there are at least a half dozen books that advertise here that I would personally give a glowing recommendation to but to rip on NCU because he is posting VALUABLE information about the way lines are moving around arguably the sharpest offshore is just plain stupid.

 

[shaf]

NCU,
I for one support your efforts and have made money coat tailing.... I too have found certain books that I can not beat while shopping for lines. You have been quick to share other information and so I vote you stay the course.

Kosar,
I believe you have misread NCU's posts and postion on Pinnicle.... I read him the exact opposite of your contention.... he is using their lines to indicate when to go against their favorable line.... that is, do not bet at Pinnicle or else where when their line is too favorable to your lean.

GLTA
shaf

 

[Mr. Promises Delivered]

Originally posted by Nick Douglas:
NCU,

I appreciate the work you do in posting these plays and I hope that you continue to post them. kosar is a trouble maker, pay no attention to him. He jumps in as a sh(it)stirrer all the time. Obviously anyone with a good knowledge of offshore books and half a brain knows that Pinnacle is a top book and they beat very, very good players day after day.

Ask yourself this: if there are so many offshores better than Pinnacle, then why can they afford to give a 5 cent vig on football and basketball and an 8 cent line on bases for all online bets? Not to mention keeping a ten cent bases line for large players while so many other books have gone to 15 or 20 cent lines.

Look, there are at least a half dozen books that advertise here that I would personally give a glowing recommendation to but to rip on NCU because he is posting VALUABLE information about the way lines are moving around arguably the sharpest offshore is just plain stupid.

Bingo you nailed it on the head about this asshole being a shit stirrer & trouble maker>

All this man ever does is pop up out of the woodworks & 9 times out of 10, it's to put someone down or make some wisecrack.

So keep up the work NCU & ignore this jackass, I learned to do so hence why I don't fight with this SOB abymore.

 

[kosar]

Originally posted by Nick Douglas:

"kosar is a trouble maker, pay no attention to him. He jumps in as a sh(it)stirrer all the time."

LMAO- that's quite amusing there, Nick Douglas. Perhaps i'm though of as a 'sh(it) stirrer' to those who buy into ridiculous schemes....ect..I take that as a compliment, actually. You have obvioulsy recognized yourself as one of the lemmings who blindly advertise for Pinnacle based on..well..nothing... and you have become upset. Sorry 'bout that.


"Obviously anyone with a good knowledge of offshore books and half a brain knows that Pinnacle is a top book and they beat very, very good players day after day."

Hmmmm. I suppose that I might have SOME knowledge of off-shore books. LOL ....Pinnacle, Pinnacle, Pinnacle. They are too tough for the sharps, yet the sharps that play into this book are the sole basis for plays...????Does that make sense, wwf boy?

"Ask yourself this: if there are so many offshores better than Pinnacle,"

Never said that 'there are so many offshores better' than Pinnacle. Many equal, some better, whatever. Even if there were NO books better than Pinnacle, have some respect for the site where you are constantly promoting them. EVERY DAY.

"then why can they afford to give a 5 cent vig on football and basketball and an 8 cent line on bases for all online bets? Not to mention keeping a ten cent bases line for large players while so many other books have gone to 15 or 20 cent lines."

(Not surprisingly) Still missing the point.

"Look, there are at least a half dozen books that advertise here that I would personally give a glowing recommendation to but to rip on NCU because he is posting VALUABLE information about the way lines are moving around arguably the sharpest offshore is just plain stupid."


Nope, not ripping NCU for giving 'valuable info'. Just wondering why "Pinnacle" is advertising free here every single day via the same 3 or 4 people.

You know, Nick Douglas, for somebody that considers himself pretty smart, you sure do play dumb an awful lot.

 

[kosar]

Originally posted by shaf:

"Kosar,
I believe you have misread NCU's posts and postion on Pinnicle.... I read him the exact opposite of your contention...."

Shaf, it was my pleasure to meet you last year out in Vegas, as you are a true gentleman and I look forward to seeing you this coming January. However, I have not misread anything.


"he is using their lines to indicate when to go against their favorable line.... that is, do not bet at Pinnicle or else where when their line is too favorable to your lean."

I'll leave the absurdity of that whole 'system' alone for the moment.

Once again (and this is NOT to you Shaf), why is it necessary for the same people to borderline shill / shill for the same book every day?

Why?

 

[kosar]

Originally posted by Mr. Promises Delivered:
Bingo you nailed it on the head about this asshole being a shit stirrer & trouble maker>

All this man ever does is pop up out of the woodworks & 9 times out of 10, it's to put someone down or make some wisecrack.

So keep up the work NCU & ignore this jackass, I learned to do so hence why I don't fight with this SOB abymore.

Yowza-

Thanks for checking in, Mr PD. Actually, I have never given you credit for bringing me into these forums...

*Obviously* you remember 3 years ago at the RX when you would tout your pathetic pay service, claim records that weren't posted, somehow figure that you had a 'winning day' when you went 2-2.

It seems soooo long ago, but at that time, I had never posted because I had never really felt compelled to, even though the BS factor was over the top ....Then YOU came along and I just couldn't contain myself....ahhhh, the rest is history.

Remember that, PD??

LMFAO