Stephen Hawking - Aliens exist

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Don?t talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking
Hawking has depicted what kinds of alien could be out there

THE aliens are out there and Earth had better watch out, at least according to Stephen Hawking. He has suggested that extraterrestrials are almost certain to exist ? but that instead of seeking them out, humanity should be doing all it that can to avoid any contact.

The suggestions come in a new documentary series in which Hawking, one of the world?s leading scientists, will set out his latest thinking on some of the universe?s greatest mysteries.

Alien life, he will suggest, is almost certain to exist in many other parts of the universe: not just in planets, but perhaps in the centre of stars or even floating in interplanetary space.

Hawking?s logic on aliens is, for him, unusually simple. The universe, he points out, has 100 billion galaxies, each containing hundreds of millions of stars. In such a big place, Earth is unlikely to be the only planet where life has evolved.

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?To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational,? he said. ?The real challenge is to work out what aliens might actually be like.?

The answer, he suggests, is that most of it will be the equivalent of microbes or simple animals ? the sort of life that has dominated Earth for most of its history.

One scene in his documentary for the Discovery Channel shows herds of two-legged herbivores browsing on an alien cliff-face where they are picked off by flying, yellow lizard-like predators. Another shows glowing fluorescent aquatic animals forming vast shoals in the oceans thought to underlie the thick ice coating Europa, one of the moons of Jupiter.

Such scenes are speculative, but Hawking uses them to lead on to a serious point: that a few life forms could be intelligent and pose a threat. Hawking believes that contact with such a species could be devastating for humanity.

He suggests that aliens might simply raid Earth for its resources and then move on: ?We only have to look at ourselves to see how intelligent life might develop into something we wouldn?t want to meet. I imagine they might exist in massive ships, having used up all the resources from their home planet. Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking to conquer and colonise whatever planets they can reach.?

He concludes that trying to make contact with alien races is ?a little too risky?. He said: ?If aliens ever visit us, I think the outcome would be much as when Christopher Columbus first landed in America, which didn?t turn out very well for the Native Americans.?

The completion of the documentary marks a triumph for Hawking, now 68, who is paralysed by motor neurone disease and has very limited powers of communication. The project took him and his producers three years, during which he insisted on rewriting large chunks of the script and checking the filming.

John Smithson, executive producer for Discovery, said: ?He wanted to make a programme that was entertaining for a general audience as well as scientific and that?s a tough job, given the complexity of the ideas involved.?

Hawking has suggested the possibility of alien life before but his views have been clarified by a series of scientific breakthroughs, such as the discovery, since 1995, of more than 450 planets orbiting distant stars, showing that planets are a common phenomenon.

So far, all the new planets found have been far larger than Earth, but only because the telescopes used to detect them are not sensitive enough to detect Earth-sized bodies at such distances.

Another breakthrough is the discovery that life on Earth has proven able to colonise its most extreme environments. If life can survive and evolve there, scientists reason, then perhaps nowhere is out of bounds.

Hawking?s belief in aliens places him in good scientific company. In his recent Wonders of the Solar System BBC series, Professor Brian Cox backed the idea, too, suggesting Mars, Europa and Titan, a moon of Saturn, as likely places to look.

Similarly, Lord Rees, the astronomer royal, warned in a lecture earlier this year that aliens might prove to be beyond human understanding.

?I suspect there could be life and intelligence out there in forms we can?t conceive,? he said. ?Just as a chimpanzee can?t understand quantum theory, it could be there are aspects of reality that are beyond the capacity of our brains.?
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If I see one dont talk to them ?

:scared :0corn

Shit I am going for a ride with them around the universe
 

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I respect Hawkins as he is a pretty brilliant dude.

I always think about when Aliens actually show up it will be like Independance day. The ships will be huge and unlike anything we have ever seen.

Its hard to imagine how it would change our world.
Any threat and we would all be facing it

How would we communicate with them

Who would we choose to go talk to them

I know RAYMOND would send Obama post haste.

I am thinking more along the lines of Chavez and Armadinnerjacket. Let them two go and talk to the Aliens.

Like Hawkins says, it may be a medium we have no ability to even understand.

How can there not be anything else out there. The universe is just too huge to think its not possible.

I watched a show the other night about how they built the pyramids and this guy found these large cuts in the stone . The stones were like 20 tons they were lifting. He said there was a sheet that could be placed on a large stone and it would move the stone 6 ft at a time. :scared

Aliens helped them ?

gives me the heeby jeebys
 

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Do you realize how insensitive your last sentence is? :nono:

I recorded the mystery of the crystal skulls last night,but I haven't watched it yet.
 

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CNN) -- When Godfrey Davies learned he needed surgery to remove polyps blocking his nasal airways, the self-described bargain shopper set out on a mission to find an affordable surgeon. He quickly learned a good deal is hard to find.

"The total numbers they were throwing at me were just incredible. I couldn't believe it," he says.

Davies, who is semiretired from his real estate business and uninsured, says he received estimates from two surgeons. When hospital, anesthesia and incidental fees were all tallied, the cheapest price he could find in Indianapolis, Indiana, was $33,127 -- which he would need to pay out of pocket.

"I was speechless." Davies recalls. "It was absolutely out of the question financially for me to have this done under those circumstances."

Frustrated that his bargain shopping saved him so little, Davies called on family in the United Kingdom for assistance. When they told him they had found a private hospital in Wales that would perform the surgery for $2,930 [or ?1,897], Davies didn't think twice.

He purchased a $768 round-trip ticket, and on March 18, he boarded a flight to the UK to have his polyps removed there at a savings of nearly $30,000.

Medical tourism on the rise

An estimated 878,000 Americans will travel internationally for a medical procedure this year, according to a report from the Deloitte Center for Health Solutions. That number is expected to nearly double by 2012.

The majority of medical tourists are uninsured; however, the cost of health care in this country has become so expensive that even some U.S. health insurance companies are coordinating with hospitals overseas.

"It is curious to a number of folks as to why an established American health insurance company would be interested in medical tourism," says David Boucher, president of Companion Global Healthcare, a subsidiary of Blue Cross Blue Shield.

His pilot program launched in 2007 as a "medical travel facilitator," allowing participating employers to add an international option to the health care plans they offer to staff. The company has partnered with 29 hospitals in 14 countries and offers negotiated rates that are lower than those offered at hospitals domestically.

Boucher says employers will sometimes waive co-pays or purchase airline tickets if an individual opts to travel abroad for expensive surgery because, ultimately, it benefits everyone.

"If you can save forty to fifty thousand on an employee's surgery, it gets right to the company's bottom line," Boucher says.

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So far, only a handful of insurance companies are offering this type of service, says Jessica Johnson, director of operations for the Medical Tourism Association, an international trade organization that acts as a liaison between patients and their international providers.



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She says even with insurance though, many Americans remain underinsured, so more people are educating themselves on the options.

"It's all about affordability, quality and access," Johnson says. "Something they don't find as often here."

See this chart for price comparisons of standard procedures in the U.S. versus the prices overseas.

Before you hop on a plane

Sure, the prices are affordable. But is it safe? Experts say before you hop on a plane, there are a few important things to take into consideration.

1. Know your legal rights

"Each country has a different legal system," points out Nathan Cortez, assistant law professor at Southern Methodist University and author of a 2009 study looking at the legal risks of medical tourism.

"If something goes wrong, you don't have the same legal recourse as you have in the United States."

He advises travelers to research the legal system of the country they are visiting and at least be familiar with what their rights are if something goes wrong.

"In some countries, there are structural disadvantages to bringing about a lawsuit," he explains. "For example, if you sue a physician in Singapore and lose the case, you may have to pay the physician's legal fees."

Cortez also says to make sure that you will be able to access and bring back your medical records from the hospital you visited.

2. Make sure the hospital is accredited

Here's a list of hospitals accredited through the Joint Commission International. The joint commission inspects facilities to make sure they meet the necessary standards.

3. Negotiate locally one more time

"It's a real issue with the economics of health care," says Derek Fitteron, president and of the group Medical Cost Advocate. "But people can make it economically work by staying in the U.S."

He says his group has helped to bargain down prices for many people who want to find affordable care in their own ZIP code. When Fitteron's team investigated the cost of the procedure Godfrey Davies underwent, for example, they found that on the high end, the price should have been no more than about $17,850 in his state.

When CNN contacted the hospital about Davies' case, officials agreed.

"We inadvertently provided an incorrect quote for the consumer," a hospital spokesman wrote in an e-mail. "The actual procedure price was less than half of what we initially quoted."

Fitteron says self-pay patients are "getting really aggressively overcharged," as hospitals are trying to subsidize for money lost on things such as Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements.

Davies, who is originally from Wales and has been a U.S. citizen since 2002, says he was disappointed about having to travel more than 4,200 miles for such a simple procedure. But ultimately money was the deciding factor.

"$33,000 versus $3,600 ... I can put up with a lot of inconvenience to save that kind of money."



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what a differance in costs !
 
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Is this your attempt at some bullshit post modern art? A white square?

I got booted from art history 18 years ago for laughing at the professor as he got a chub over some crappy painting, "The Red Square"

It was a fucking red square :mj07: :mj07:
 

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take it easy now!

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