Stimulus or social welfare

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Axed so far by rebs--funding for contraceptives and 20 mil for renovation of national mall--

lets see some other issues--are they there to stimulate economy or compensate the base?

O's big tax cut/rebate--about half going to people that pay no taxes?
Hate to tell you Obie--you can't cut nor rebate something that does not exist--call it what it is--welfare/redistribution of wealth funded by the taxpayor.

more of same--

$20.0 billion to increase the maximum benefit under the Supplemental Nutrition Assurance Program (i.e., Food Stamps)


$20.4 billion for programs administered by the Department of health and Human Services


$20.2 billion for Medicaid and Medicare incentive payments

and one of my favs

"House Republican Leader John Boehner issued a statement over the weekend noting that the stimulus bill wending its way through Congress provides $4.19 billion for "neighborhood stabilization activities."

He said the money was previously limited to state and local governments, but that Democrats now want part of it to be available to non-profit entities. That means groups like ACORN would be eligible for a portion of the funds.
Sen. David Vitter, R-La., told FOX News Tuesday that the money could be seen as "payoff" for groups' political activities in the last election. ACORN generally supports Democratic candidates and actively backed President Obama last year.

But he said the funding is just one example of frivolous spending items in the $825 billion package.
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[bryanz]

way to much pork.... they should not pass this thing... this is just another in the long list of examples why we are where we are..... the democrats want to sneak all kinds of bull shit in, instead of keeping their eye on the ECONOMY... pelosi has shown once again, what she is all about, BULL SHIT ! TO BAD A NEW PRESIDENT CANT PICK NEW LEDERSHIP IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE ! forget new; any leadership would be nice ..... I don't think stimulus pakages work..

 

[StevieD]

way to much pork.... they should not pass this thing... this is just another in the long list of examples why we are where we are..... the democrats want to sneak all kinds of bull shit in, instead of keeping their eye on the ECONOMY... pelosi has shown once again, what she is all about, BULL SHIT ! TO BAD A NEW PRESIDENT CANT PICK NEW LEDERSHIP IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE ! forget new; any leadership would be nice ..... I don't think stimulus pakages work..

Agreed there has to be many cuts. Pelosi should be gone. It is beginning to look like Obama, although a smart guy, may not be as smart as he thinks he is. What does this grant to ACORN have to do with anything!

 

[bryanz]

Agreed there has to be many cuts. Pelosi should be gone. It is beginning to look like Obama, although a smart guy, may not be as smart as he thinks he is. What does this grant to ACORN have to do with anything!

the grant to acorn had do do with, PAYBACK...

 

[ga_ben]

A Mob museum, water park, money for contraception. . .

"Some of us have heard the voice of the American people and their call for change" in the November election, said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a California Democrat. Is this what they want Nancy? Really! Money for the arts, Amtrak. . . and on and on and on. Those 2 are fantastic bastions of job creation.

Not to sound like a partisan hack but this woman is clueless. I read in the Wall St. Journal that only about 12 cents of every $1, is for something that can plausibly be considered a growth stimulus.


"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before."

Who said that? Rahmbo

This stimulus plan is the biggest boondoggle since the TARP Act. Scary! I doubt Congress handles their personal finances as poorly as they handle ours. Disgusting. Too bad we cant have layoffs in Congress.


One more thing, we might not be in this mess if the republicans had practiced some fiscal responsibility back when they had the power. Sure is convenient to vote against the spending when you are not the party in power.

 

[StevieD]

the grant to acorn had do do with, PAYBACK...

Again true. And the fact that it appears in this bill is a disgusting outrage. It does nothing except give the DTB's and Limbaughs of the world ammunition to use against the working man.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Again true. And the fact that it appears in this bill is a disgusting outrage. It does nothing except give the DTB's and Limbaughs of the world ammunition to use against the working man.

Ok Einstein heres your chance to shine--

Explain to us which packages I noted--medicaid-welfare-food stamps-acorn--has to do with --THE WORKING MAN
This should be good

I did like the fact that O put the gas tax on hold that the Dems were pushing--also he was key in nixing Pelosi's condom's for prosperity--

O's task is not enviable--has extremes from boths sides tugging on his cape and certa8inly not a lot of time to think about it.

I'll be looking at 3 things primarily on economy
-How funds are spent
-which if any of big gov existing plans he cuts spending on
-how far he takes the global warming BS
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[StevieD]

Ok Einstein heres your chance to shine--

Explain to us which packages I noted--medicaid-welfare-food stamps-acorn--has to do with --THE WORKING MAN
This should be good

I did like the fact that O put the gas tax on hold that the Dems were pushing--also he was key in nixing Pelosi's condom's for prosperity--

O's task is not enviable--has extremes from boths sides tugging on his cape and certa8inly not a lot of time to think about it.

I'll be looking at 3 things primarily on economy
-How funds are spent
-which if any of big gov existing plans he cuts spending on
-how far he takes the global warming BS
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Don't pull your crooked insurance tricks on me. All I said was that the fat in this bill gives people like you a chance to put down the whole thing. Which is basically what you did when you called it Welfare. You didn't call the TARP welfare when Bush begged for it did you insurance boy? If you did I must have missed it.
Agreed Pelosi must go. The first clue was when she backed down to Bush on everything! And guys like DTB got everything they wanted putting us in this hole we may never get out of.

 

[The Sponge]

I'll be looking at 3 things primarily on economy
-How funds are spent
-which if any of big gov existing plans he cuts spending on
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:mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07:

Did u type this with a straight face? NOW u are worried about spending? We have been slamming you from 4 trillion straight up to 12 but NOW you are gonna keep an eye out for things? These things NOW all the sudden seem to bother u? The crack must be good in Kentucky. For fuks sake create a new screen name or something and spew this bullshit of urs. Ya can't make shit like this up.

 

[StevieD]

Ok Einstein heres your chance to shine--

Explain to us which packages I noted--medicaid-welfare-food stamps-acorn--has to do with --THE WORKING MAN
This should be good


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The BS runs so thick from this Insurance Man that it is hard to keep up. The way you backed Bush right into all this trouble we are in.

Fact, we will need more food stamps because in case you ain't noticed the BUSH Recession has put a lot of people out of work.
Fact, The BUSH Recession has put a lot of people out of work. I read that somewhere, ipso facto it goes to reason the welfare ranks will expand.

Don't forget Mr. Insurance Man that unemployment is a trailing indicator. Things are only to get worse.

Maybe if guys like you didn't put Bush above the country things might have been different.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Spongie what part of the word- HOW funds are spent-do you fail to understand.

Another good one--just out
$335,000,000 FOR STD PREVENTION IN ECONOMIC STIMULUS BILL

Now granted Mass the state where Stevie resides or San Fran that might be an issue--maybe they could merge it with marraige counseling?

--and after pondering that--you may have me rethinking my stance on contraceptives
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Mr B my hats off to you on your objective bi partisan thoughts on stimulus issue.

Believe we are on same tangent on stimulus issue--other than banking (which could have created irreversible havoc on everyone) I'm in favor of letting the other factors work themselves out.

--and to go along with your thoughts--might add it would be nice to take all the Reb and Dem tags off those responsible for banking collapse and punish them to fullest extent of law.

--and on banking issue-- I like O's plan to remove money losing assets from banks' book and shifting them to other entities--

 

[rusty]

The Reps. say the way to fix things is Tax cuts.
That should fix things.Where was this theory during the Bush years?

How is this gonna help in the overall pitchure ,by creating jobs.Im not dissing it,I just need to no more on this so called" better idea."

 

[UGA12]

The BS runs so thick from this Insurance Man that it is hard to keep up. The way you backed Bush right into all this trouble we are in.

Fact, we will need more food stamps because in case you ain't noticed the BUSH Recession has put a lot of people out of work.
Fact, The BUSH Recession has put a lot of people out of work. I read that somewhere, ipso facto it goes to reason the welfare ranks will expand.

Don't forget Mr. Insurance Man that unemployment is a trailing indicator. Things are only to get worse.

Maybe if guys like you didn't put Bush above the country things might have been different.

I am starting to think you have something against insurance men:shrug: Weird, but whatever!

 

[THE KOD]

:mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07:

Did u type this with a straight face? NOW u are worried about spending? We have been slamming you from 4 trillion straight up to 12 but NOW you are gonna keep an eye out for things? These things NOW all the sudden seem to bother u? The crack must be good in Kentucky. For fuks sake create a new screen name or something and spew this bullshit of urs. Ya can't make shit like this up.

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that was a good one sponge:142smilie

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

Wayne: Were the Bush tax rebate checks Social Welfare? How about these corporate bail-outs. It's all bullshit, bud. You're so blinded by your political bias and it's really sad. If this was a Republican administration pushing through the same plan, this thread would not exist....and you know it.

 

[StevieD]

I am starting to think you have something against insurance men:shrug: Weird, but whatever!

Insurance is another fraud but that is fodder for another thread. There is a lot of fat in this thing that Obama is trying to push thru. But let us not forget that it was Bush and all those people that supported him that are the cause of it. It is up to us to get Obama straight. Those of us who have been consistent and correct. Not those of us who peddle insurance and have been wrong about every issue and then have the gall to belittle those of us who have been right about every issue.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Wayne: Were the Bush tax rebate checks Social Welfare? How about these corporate bail-outs. It's all bullshit, bud. You're so blinded by your political bias and it's really sad. If this was a Republican administration pushing through the same plan, this thread would not exist....and you know it.

Gary correct me if I wrong--but don't believe people that paid no taxes got a rebate
--despite that I put GW's rebate plan in same catagory--I'm not a fan of rebates and think they do little to stimulate economy. I don't think you can go back and find me praising his rebate plan--nor his medicare RX plan and several other issues.

--also I have always been against either party having huge majority in congress and sitting pres. Totally takes away checks and balances--Clinton had this at start of his reign--it lasted two years and you had huge swing to rebs in their contract with america--then they get pres and majority and forget all about balanced budgets they promoted--then you have opposite with dems getting huge majority and we are experiencing same thing again.

It is very precarious situation when you have such a majority and sitting pres that the other party can vote unanamously against bill and part of other party joins them--and bill still passes.
Vote on stimulus was 244-188 with eleven Democrats joined every Republican in opposing the bill.

--and results of bill was very little going into toward stimulus but they slid in most every pet socialistic program that they intended to vie for over next 4 years at one time--

The Dems have several good programs in plan but huge portion or just social programs that will expand gov and be continuous and escalating burden on tax payor. I'd like to see every one of these plans cut and add one that the Rebs are promting and that being 5% tax cut for lowest 2 tax brackets only.

This is good article from WSJ on the unbelievable amount of pork in this stimulus bill--and sad part is there is nothing anyone can do about it--they have open ticket on what ever they want--

Would cut and paste but good graph that won't transfer.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123310466514522309.html

 

[THE KOD]

--also I have always been against either party having huge majority in congress and sitting pres. Totally takes away checks and balances--Clinton had this at start of his reign--it lasted two years and you had huge swing to rebs in their contract with america--

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How did we know Clinton was going to be brought up.

talk about living in the past

 

[The Sponge]

--also I have always been against either party having huge majority in congress and sitting pres. Totally takes away checks and balances--Clinton had this at start of his reign--it lasted two years and you had huge swing to rebs in their contract with america--then they get pres and majority and forget all about balanced budgets they promoted--then you have opposite with dems getting huge majority and we are experiencing same thing again.


Vote on stimulus was 244-188 with eleven Democrats joined every Republican in opposing the bill.

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Have u forgotten that evey single Republican voted against Clintons budget also? Where Obama screwed up is that he didn't add another 500 billion to go over to Iraq and maybe another 200 billion to go to oil companies and Pharmacueticals. then u might be happy about this package.
If money is gonna be pissed away then piss it away over here. By the way Wayne i have a great idea for a Republican bill. How about when all these bills come due and we have to pay for all this shit, nobody is allowed to skate out of the country. You have to pay a 50,000 dollar fine if u move out of the country and another 100,000 to re enter? JUst make this law for the middle class and poor. What ya think? How about making it illegal for the middle class and the poor to burn firewood? I see a lot neighhborhood chimney's smoking and i know how much the oil companies frown on this. I have other rightwing idea's to forward but im afraid they might like them, so i will keep it on the down low.

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

Gary correct me if I wrong--but don't believe people that paid no taxes got a rebate
--despite that I put GW's rebate plan in same catagory--I'm not a fan of rebates and think they do little to stimulate economy. I don't think you can go back and find me praising his rebate plan--nor his medicare RX plan and several other issues.

--also I have always been against either party having huge majority in congress and sitting pres. Totally takes away checks and balances--Clinton had this at start of his reign--it lasted two years and you had huge swing to rebs in their contract with america--then they get pres and majority and forget all about balanced budgets they promoted--then you have opposite with dems getting huge majority and we are experiencing same thing again.

It is very precarious situation when you have such a majority and sitting pres that the other party can vote unanamously against bill and part of other party joins them--and bill still passes.
Vote on stimulus was 244-188 with eleven Democrats joined every Republican in opposing the bill.

--and results of bill was very little going into toward stimulus but they slid in most every pet socialistic program that they intended to vie for over next 4 years at one time--

The Dems have several good programs in plan but huge portion or just social programs that will expand gov and be continuous and escalating burden on tax payor. I'd like to see every one of these plans cut and add one that the Rebs are promting and that being 5% tax cut for lowest 2 tax brackets only.

This is good article from WSJ on the unbelievable amount of pork in this stimulus bill--and sad part is there is nothing anyone can do about it--they have open ticket on what ever they want--

Would cut and paste but good graph that won't transfer.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123310466514522309.html

Wayne: I pay taxes and I got a couple of Bush's rebate checks. I really don't know what the hell you are talking about. My problem with your posts is that it seems the messenger is more important than the message. The only facts you like are the ones that your the right wing media is sending your way.