Super Bowl aftermath

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. 28, 2003


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Official figures aren't expected to be released until later this week, but guesses are Nevada hotels came out slightly ahead on Sunday's Super Bowl.

"I think most places showed a little profit, but a lot of it was because of parlay cards and futures," said Cesar Robaina, odds manager for Las Vegas Sports Consultants.

Stardust race and sports book director Bob Scucci agreed.

"I think we're a small winner mostly because of future bets and how the 'props' fell," he said.

But make no mistake, Tampa Bay destroying Oakland, 48-21, was not a great result for the house.

The Raiders were four-point favorites at many of the hotels for most of the week, until dipping to 3 1/2 the day of the game. There were a lot of Oakland tickets written, but the heavy money was on the underdog Bucs.

"We pretty much broke even," Scucci said. "We really needed the Raiders, if not to cover the point spread, at least win straight-up to cover us on the money line."

Despite adjusted odds that were lower than normal, bettors continually pounded the Bucs on the money line. :)

"Tampa Bay straight-up was bad," Robaina said. "The money line was just a killer." :D

While the books often fare well overall on the many 'props,' bettors did well on picking Tampa Bay to win by a certain amount of points.

"The 'prop' that really hurt us was the one on Tampa Bay to win by over a certain number like 3 1/2, seven, 10 1/2 and 14 1/2," Scucci said. "Those all won, of course. When they're betting $100 and getting back $500, it's tough to overcome."

The biggest surprise and disappointment for bookmakers was that expected Oakland money never showed up. Robaina, Scucci and others thought the Raiders would be popular because most recreational bettors were from California and they are perceived as a strong public team.

"We never saw Oakland money," Scucci said. "We thought the weekend would bring Oakland money, but it just never came in."

This fact isn't lost on Robaina. With parity becoming such an overwhelming factor in the NFL, and the betting public a lot sharper, there could be more short Super Bowl pointspreads.

No longer can an assumption be made that the public automatically is just going to play the favorite, or the public team.

"We're going to have to keep it closer to the vest," Robaina said about making Super Bowl lines. "We're not going to try to Einstein it."



And Station Casinos lost their ass.
Thanks to all the Jackers who did their part.
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hey we need to go pick up arena tickets for the season it is great use to go in fl very cheap also. fun to watch live they kill each other.

should be happy with the sugar i could of been out of clam jucie:p
 

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Hey I'm game.

Hey I'm game.

I was just thinking about that. (Arena football)
Let me see if I can find their site. Need to check what nights they play their home games on.

Count me in :yup

PS you need to come over after 3 :mad:
to shoot some hoop. ;)
 
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Arena football, that sounds fun...I thought Jersey or Pennsy was supposed to get a team I dunno what happened....
 

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Just read about it, the Jersey Gladiators moved to LV. They said they failed to attract fans last year. Well I guess so, so since I didnt even know they played last yr.
 

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FLETCH here is the schedule...

FLETCH here is the schedule...

Feb 2 Sun @ L.A. 3:30pm

Feb 9 Sun @ Arizona 12:00pm

Feb 17 Mon TAMPA BAY 7:00pm ............Vegas

Feb 22 Sat @ New York 4:30pm

Mar 2 Sun SAN JOSE 3:00pm ...............Vegas

Mar 9 Sun @ Carolina 9:00am

Mar 16 Sun CHICAGO 3:00pm ............Vegas

Mar 23 Sun @ Buffalo 9:00am

Mar 29 Sat GEORGIA 7:00pm ..............Vegas

Apr 5 Sat COLORADO 7:00pm .............Vegas

Apr 13 Sun @ G. Rapids 1:00pm

Apr 20 Sun @ Orlando 12:00pm

Apr 27 Sun DETROIT 3:00pm .............Vegas

May 3 Sat NEW YORK 7:00pm ...........Vegas

May 11 Sun @ Detroit 1:00pm

May 18 Sun BUFFALO 3:00pm.......... Vegas
 

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Pick your seat

Pick your seat

:lol:


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When the house said the broke even or made a little. That once was for don't tell the public but we did ok. Now Im not so sure. With off shore house in the mix and special deals offered. They may have taken it in the chin. But you can be very sure they are way ahead for the year.
 

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Re: Super Bowl aftermath

First off, sorry to all Madjackers that follow my prop plays as I was out in Vegas and amid the tables, action, and some unexpected 'events' involving members of my party - posting from Strip didnt happen.

For those who were there, what a blast! Probably came off my roughest night there and it took at least two bloody marys to get back in groove. (Ordering single malts and magnums of Cab @ Smith & Wollensky was not the brightest idea for a Saturday night on Super Bowl Weekend)

Not going to name names (to risk missing any), but those I did meet where absolutely fantastic. Top notch all the way and everyone I met was more than expectations held. Should have saved some vintage Crown for the limo ride back. Thanks Pete and Kosar :D


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. 28, 2003


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"I think we're a small winner mostly because of future bets and how the 'props' fell," he said.



BillyTWilliams and myself had great time and we rolled on props.
Combined for a solid 18 - 7 - 2 run (Of course we were on several of the same ones) Still a few dimes, and more than enough to cover the cross-country airfare, hotel, and SB party.

Count on me again next year with a new laptop to post on the road.
 

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Wednesday, January 29, 2003

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Books boost win on Super Bowl


Handle flat, but hold climbs to 7.3 percent

By KEVIN IOLE
REVIEW-JOURNAL





Nevada sports books attracted almost the same betting handle on Super Bowl XXXVII as they did in last year's game, but their hold percentage increased.

According to unaudited figures provided Tuesday by the Nevada Gaming Control Board, the handle on Sunday's game between the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Oakland Raiders was $71,693,032.

Because the underdog Bucs won 48-21, the books had a good day, winning just over $5.2 million for a hold percentage of 7.3 percent.

Last year, bettors wagered $71,513,304 on Super Bowl XXXVI between the New England Patriots and St. Louis Rams, but the books' hold percentage was only 3.3 percent.

Sports book operators were optimistic that the Raiders' devoted following and the fact that the game was in nearby San Diego would help them challenge the record handle of 1998, when $77.2 million was wagered on the Denver-Green Bay game in San Diego.

The 1999 game between Denver and Atlanta attracted $75.9 million, but the total has not reached $72 million since.

Longtime bookmaker Jimmy Vaccaro isn't surprised the handle has not returned to the record levels of the late 1990s. He said the proliferation of sports books in the Caribbean has greatly impacted the betting handle in Las Vegas.

"The only rational answer ... is that more and more of the money is going offshore," Vaccaro said. "People aren't turned off by the game, and I would bet that more people than ever are betting it, but there is a lot more competition now than there was years ago.

"Even on significant events for the casinos like the Super Bowl, it has its impact. Even though it's so much fun here and there are so many things to do, it's easier for a guy to bet from his couch and have 10 friends over to watch the game than to go through the hassles of flying here and bringing your money to the window.

"Walking to the computer, making your bet and then watching the game from your couch is very attractive for a lot of people, and I think that's having an impact here."

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and overall, Station Casinos ain't hurting

and overall, Station Casinos ain't hurting

Wednesday, January 29, 2003
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Station revels in higher quarterly profits, foresees more ahead


By JEFF SIMPSON
GAMING WIRE




Station Casinos executives like opening new casinos, but they love what the properties do for the company's bottom line.

Powered by a company record-setting first year at its Green Valley Ranch property, the company on Tuesday announced improved fourth-quarter and year-end results for the periods ended Dec. 31.

But it's the company's next new project, the $215 million Thunder Valley Casino near Sacramento, Calif., that is opening eyebrows.

Station Casinos expects to open the United Auburn Indian Community-owned casino in June, and Thunder Valley is projected to generate about $104 million in net income in six-plus months of 2003 operations.

Those results that would return $25 million to Station as management fees.

And the company expects California Gov. Gray Davis to agree during pending compact renegotiations to allow substantial increases in tribes' slot allocations.

Station Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Frank Fertitta III told Wall Street analysts that the Thunder Valley site compares favorably with Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun in Connecticut, two of the world's top money-making casinos.

"We have a long-term vision of what this property can turn into," said Fertitta, noting that the company owns 100 acres adjacent to the tribal site and an option to buy another 150 acres in addition to its seven-year deal to manage the property. "This thing can grow into one of the biggest and most complete gaming complexes in the country."

"If (Thunder Valley) opens on time, Station should mint money there," said McDonald Investments casino analyst Dennis Forst, noting the Sacramento-area's top-notch demographics and the lack of nearby tribal competition.

Although it was Station's optimistic guidance on future California operations that excited analysts when the company reported fourth-quarter and year-end earnings Tuesday, the company's bread-and-butter Las Vegas locals operations enjoyed a solid quarter and year, bosses said.

For the quarter ended Dec. 31, Station Casinos reported $7.7 million in income, compared with $4.4 million. Income per share jumped to 13 cents from 8 cents.

Revenue was down a fraction of 1 percent to $201.6 million from $202.8 million. The drop was more than offset by cost-cutting efforts, company executives said, as operating expenses dropped 5.3 percent, to $163.1 million from $172.2 million.

Operating cash flow was up 6.4 percent, to $62.9 million from $59.1 million.

Cash flow, defined as earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization, is a widely used gauge of casino-industry profitability.

The company's hotel rooms were 92 percent filled during the quarter, up from 87 percent; average room rates were up 2 percent, to $51.

Propelling the quarterly and yearly performance was Green Valley Ranch, co-owned by Station Casinos and the Greenspun family.

Green Valley Ranch generated $43 million in 2002 cash flow; Station gets half of the property's income plus a management fee for operating it.

Station's cut of fourth-quarter earnings including its management fees was $4.6 million.

"This is the most ever for a Station property in its first year," said Station Chief Financial Officer Glenn Christenson, who said the company's Las Vegas-focused strategy continues to pay off.

"The Las Vegas locals market is still one of the most resilient in the country," Christenson said. "The local economy is starting to build momentum."

Year-end income was $21.1 million, or 35 cents per share, compared with $19.4 million, or 32 cents per share.

Year-end revenue dropped 5.3 percent to $792.9 million from $836.9 million. Operating expenses declined by 8.1 percent, to $642 million from $698.5 million.

Year-end cash flow was $238.8 million, up from $219.2 million. Christenson said the company projects $280 million in 2003 cash flow, not counting the $25 million haul anticipated from Thunder Valley.




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A record-setting first year at Green Valley Ranch, co-owned by Station Casinos and the Greenspun family, helped fuel an increase in Station Casinos' fourth-quarter earnings
Photo by Amy Beth Bennett.
 

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Something doesn't look right.

All the books are talking about how "Money never came in on Oakland."

If that is true, how in the hell did they make money? I know about the futures and prop bets, but I would think the lion's share of the money is wagered on the spread. I would guess they cleaned up on parlays, as most people wouldn't take TB/over, and the teasers would have been squashed the same way. Is there that big of a disparity between betting the line, and betting props?
 

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Something smells fishy

Something smells fishy

I know for a fact Stations took it on the chin. However the probably made it up the same night in blackjack & slots.
Company has bank, no doubt. Mainly because they pay their employees in crap. :(
 

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Iwill write a letter to all of them and get you all a raise, after all i would still be looking for my room. On the first night . Thanks for a GREAT TIME. :D
 
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