SWEET 16

[vyrus858]

115-118-2 -3.23 UNITS
NCAA 16-14 +4.95 UNITS
3-0 on Max Plays YTD

Been on a bit of a tear. Lets see if we can continue this through the final.

1.) Oklahoma St +1 ---- 4 UNITS MAX PLAY (ADDED 4 MORE UNITS AT -1... MY GOY)

This is my pick to win it all this year. I see them playing UNC in the final, and the x-factor being the kid uNC dumped for drug violations, Jameson Curry. This team is absolutley stacked with unrespected talent. Joey Graham, a lottery pick in my opinion with his domination in the post and 3 point ability. Lucas is an amazing floor general, and we all know that is in his roots as his father is a former #1 pick and he has passed on the talent and vision to his son. I see him being able to contain Stoudamire, and Graham is much more athletic and physical in the post, and Fry will have no answer for him. And then McFarlin, is that radmonich white boy really gonna be able to stop him? HA...Curry is a hell of a clutch player as well, and this team and their ability to get a scoring milestone out of each of their players will be the difference.

2.) Mich St +4.5 --- 2 UNITS

Duke duke duke ... I don't give a darn, I think MSU gives this puke team an upset, and ill ride that instinct

3.) Wash +1.5 --- 2 UNITS (UPGRADED)

This is going to be a good ol' shootout, and ill take my chances with Robinson over Dean anyday directing my squad. Final Four for UW this year

4.) Wisc-Milw +10.5 --- 2 UNITS (added)

Write up below.

5.) Utah +4 ---- 1 UNIT (added)

Most overrated UK team in years. This team has nobody that can light it up iMO, and I think against a tough, physical team like Utah with a superstar like Bogut, they will have their hands full in not just stopping Bogut, but putting up points.

6.) Oklahoma St -1 ---- 4 UNITS

8 UNITS TOTAL ON OKIE ST -1 BASICALLY...THIS IS THE MOST CONFIDENT I HAVE BEEN ABOUT A GAME ALL YEAR...GL TO ALL OF YOU

 

[Scott4USC]

vyrus858 I have question for you based on your comments.

First I agree with you Curry is great talent and I think OSU is good/talented team. I also like seeing you have UNC pegged in the NC game. I didn't know UNC dumped recruiting Curry. Interesting storyline if both meet up.

This team is absolutley stacked with unrespected talent. Joey Graham, a lottery pick in my opinion with his domination in the post and 3 point ability. Lucas is an amazing floor general, and we all know that is in his roots as his father is a former #1 pick and he has passed on the talent and vision to his son.

Why has OSU struggled in their last 8 games? Why hasn't OSU blown out an opponent in their last 8 games (except for round 1 of tourney). They either barely win or barely lose. I don't think OSU has been impressive so far in the tourney. Barely beating So. Ill. when McFarlin has an absolute MONSTER game? They weren't impressive finishing the season when they were playing for a #1 seed.

I don't know. I just don't see it with this OSU team. If they play really well they can beat anybody in the country. But they don't. This team doesn't dominate and doesn't put teams away. They also have foul issues in almost every game.

You might be right OSU is great and who knows may win it all. I just don't see anything to base that on. Enlighten me on what you see in this team if you have time to answer the question. I am just curious. Not making an argument or saying you are off the wall. Just trying to get a good read on every team left in the sweet 16.

 

[RexBudler]

Best of luck to you

 

[gman2]

scott:

youre asking vyrus what he sees in oklahoma state (and their last 8 games)... while youre sitting on a carolina future ticket when the heels came into the ncaa tournament having not played a dominant game since valentines day?

 

[vyrus858]

Scott I totally agree. They have been put up against some weak competition as of late and not blown them out one bit. But it seems to me that these guys are playing good enoguh to beat this mid-level teams, but not going all out, they are going to showcase that explosiveness in this round. I really don't see why they wouldn't, they know they can beat top teams, and their isn't one guy more physical left in this tourney except for May to go up against Graham. They do hae some fouling issues, but their depth is what impresses me, the other Graham can come of the bench ande light it up, or Curry can drop 25+ on you...I love the way this team plays, and the fact that everyone of their starters is a 3 point threat, except for McFarlin lol...OSU hasn't "struggled" the last 8 games, they put away Kansas didn;t they? They are just not playing to their potential, they are playing it out to a sense where they will be fresh for this U of A squad that has been going all out, especially after having to deal with two solid offensive squads in UAB and Utah St...I know im a PAC10 fan and im a trader lol, but this is my money, and I put my money where I see a strong profit possibility, not where my heart chooses

GL Scott

 

[Sun Tzu]

Funny thing is Scott came on here 2 months ago essentially saying he knows nothing about betting hoops and looking for advice. Now in his condescending way he is "asking questions" to tell everyone that he knows best and anyone who disagrees is wrong. Folks have opinions that wont always agree. Scott isnt going to change his mind so what is the point in arguing it. Whoever wins wins and we will have the answers then.

 

[vyrus858]

I just see wear in this U of A squad Scotty, wear that OSU can take serious advantage of with their size and physicalness...not to mention Lucas can take over a game 'saliim style' at any point in a game when he feels necessary. He can get to that hoop. Its a risk, but thats why its called betting right?

Gl Gman, I dont think Scott was trying to downgrade the play, just was curious...He loves the pac10, and i cant say i dont either lol

GL To both of you boys

 

[vyrus858]

adding

FUTURES PLAY

Oklahoma St. to win the NC ---- 1 UNIT TO WIN 11 UNITS

 

[Scott4USC]

scott:

youre asking vyrus what he sees in oklahoma state (and their last 8 games)... while youre sitting on a carolina future ticket when the heels came into the ncaa tournament having not played a dominant game since valentines day?

Good point except both teams have different situations AND I disagree with you about UNC not being dominant since V-Day. All I did was ask vyrus what he sees in OSU because I have hard time seeing what he sees. I gave my reasonings why I disagree with him. All I was looking for is getting a read on OSU.

1) UNC had a #1 seed locked up, OSU didn't. This may result in complacency. This team is dominant when they play with passion and games have meaning.

2) UNC's best player McCants (or one of their best players) was out for 3+ weeks to end the season. He came back for ACC Tourney.

3) Saint, a die hard UNC fan agrees with me that UNC did not care about ACC tourney. They played hard but without passion. Yet they barely lost to G-Tech despite Bynum scoring 35pts.

4) UNC destroyed their first 2 opponents in tourney. OSU struggled badly to beat So. Illinois with McFariln scoring 32pts. AND OSU had huge crowd advantage in that game. If OSU beats AZ, they have to play Illinois with crowd backing up Illinois. Then OSU has to play the NC game. Pretty tough road to win it all if you ask me.

5) UNC beat DUKE to end the year without McCants. UNC beat NC St. without McCants. UNC beat NC St in Feb w/McCants. In Feb. UNC lost @Duke by 1pt with McCants shooting 3-13 AND starter J. Williams shooting 1-6.

Duke is a #1 seed playing in sweet 16. NC St. is also playing in the sweet 16.

6) OSU struggled to beat Kansas without Langford. Simien torched OSU, will Frye from Arizona have same impact? I don't see any starters missing from Arizona for this game. Is AZ better than So. Illinois? Will McFarlin score over 30pts again? OSU gonna rely on Curry a freshman to carry them? OSU is team who repeatedly gets into foul issues, will that happen against AZ? Happened last 2 games in tourney.

7) UNC plays in ACC which is having a better tourney than the Big 12.

 

[Scott4USC]

vyrus858

Thanks for reply. I think OSU can frustrate AZ with their physical defense. Thats only advantage I see. Yes OSU can shoot lights out but so can AZ. I don't care about you betting against Pac 10 or not. $$$ is $$$. Hell I am also rooting against the Pac 10 with my futures. I have free time today so just looking to gather some info. Maybe OSU just needs to be motivated and they will be motivated to play AZ.

Sun Tzu

Funny thing is Scott came on here 2 months ago essentially saying he knows nothing about betting hoops and looking for advice. Now in his condescending way he is "asking questions" to tell everyone that he knows best and anyone who disagrees is wrong.

Where was I disrespectful or condescending? Is it wrong to ask questions and god forbid learn something? Get a different viewpoint from someone? I don't take offense if someone questions me, and vyrus didn't take offense for me questioning his pick.

I don't handicap hoops every day. (although I am testing out a system in NBA) I do watch hoops and I know how to handicap it my way. I have my opinions. I don't put in the effort or care to handicap hoops on daily basis. Instead I choose to make few large wagers throughout the year. Works for me. Maybe I would come out big loser if I tried to handicap it every day. I don't know, but this is my way.

What would make you more knowledgeable than me? Because I don't post all my hoop plays on here? You act like I state my opinion without ever supporting it.

Folks have opinions that wont always agree. Scott isnt going to change his mind so what is the point in arguing it. Whoever wins wins and we will have the answers then.

The point is to get the answers NOW!

 

[gman2]

scott -- some scattered replies to various parts of your post:

carolina/saint/acc tourney
if saint did indeed say that, then 'the boy done lost his mind'. im sure your paraphrasing (or at least i hope you are). saint strikes me as a guy with a lucid mind. cant imagine him saying the premier conference tourney in the country meant nothing to carolina. but maybe he did. from talking with guys who have played in it, its not hard to figure out how much that tourney means to players -- and ESPECIALLY fans in the unc-duke-ncstate-wake region.

carolina destroyed first two opponents
they deserve credit for handling iowa state with ease. but oakland game was a scrimmage. heels got the play-in winner on short rest.

unc beat duke to end the year
i tend to think that 'duke beat duke' in chapel hill to end the year. very rarely will you ever see the devils fold like that. some credit certainly goes to carolina. but a pretty bad fold by the devils. and i dont believe carolina ever held the lead in duke.

okie state struggled despite mcfarlins game
counter-argument there would be the cowboys are still playing and moving on despite the fact that graham has been an absolute non-factor in the first two games. 7 pts, 2 reb, 4 TOs in round 1.... 8 points, 3 rebounds, 4 TOs in round 2.

unc plays in acc
while true, you cant be on both sides of the fence. either the overall conference matters or it doesnt. pac10 has two excellent teams and the rest garbage this year yet you continue to sing its praises. now its convenient to talk about the acc depth, so you sing its praises. one or the other. cant have it both ways.

 

[vyrus858]

were really getting a wealth of information on this page lol...I like it, thats what gambling forums are all about...gl guys

 

[Scott4USC]

gman2

okie state struggled despite mcfarlins game
counter-argument there would be the cowboys are still playing and moving on despite the fact that graham has been an absolute non-factor in the first two games. 7 pts, 2 reb, 4 TOs in round 1.... 8 points, 3 rebounds, 4 TOs in round 2.

Thats a reason to take ARIZONA not to back OSU. Unless when you make wager you "hope" things happen. When I place wagers, I expect things to happen. OSU needs to pick up there game and the evidence is not there to expect OSU to play better. They have not looked dominant in their last 8 games.

unc plays in acc
while true, you cant be on both sides of the fence. either the overall conference matters or it doesnt. pac10 has two excellent teams and the rest garbage this year yet you continue to sing its praises. now its convenient to talk about the acc depth, so you sing its praises. one or the other. cant have it both ways.

I often quoted the RPI having ACC #1 and Pac 10 #2. I am not sure why you keep saying I am on both sides of the fence? I think ACC is #1, and I honestly don't know who is #2. ACC has more elite teams than any conf. and I think they have more depth than any conf. I always said ACC is #1. Not sure where you are getting at.

 

[Sun Tzu]

My best friend is a Carolina alum and he said and I quote "anyone who says Carolina didnt care about the ACC tournment is making excuses." He wont even wear the regular season conference champion shirt his wife got him. Obviously folks can differ, but all the Acc folks I know take the view that the conference tourney is a very big deal, especially for a team loade dwiht guys that had never won one, knowing if they beat GaTech they get another crack at beating their hated rivals

 

[Scott4USC]

My best friend is a Carolina alum and he said and I quote "anyone who says Carolina didnt care about the ACC tournment is making excuses." He wont even wear the regular season conference champion shirt his wife got him. Obviously folks can differ, but all the Acc folks I know take the view that the conference tourney is a very big deal, especially for a team loade dwiht guys that had never won one, knowing if they beat GaTech they get another crack at beating their hated rivals

The poster here at Madjacks, SAINT disagrees with your friend. He also has quotes from Sean May and HC ROY supporting HIS and MY opinion.

You guys know I have to chime in when the ACC and UNC is involved.

I think Sun made a good point, it's not that the conference as a whole is overrated but some of the teams at the top are.

And scott4 is exactly right, as difficult as it might be for you guys to accept, Carolina players just did not care much about the ACC Tournament. Would you guys agree that the philosophy of the coach rubs off on the team? Because I do, and Roy said multiple times throughout the season that he hates conference tournaments. He said it right before the ACC Tourny. And I don't think it was to make an excuse if we lost, it's because he just doesn't think they serve much purpose. Well, when your coach shows that attitude it's no suprise it will rub off on the players.

Sean May summed it up the best after Carolina lost to Georgia Tech. He said "we were fat and happy after our regular season title". Now you guys have seen that when this team "wants" to turn it on they are one of, if not the best team in the country. Whether or not they will hold that intensity is questionable.

Also a good point about McCants being out by Scott. I read a very impressive breakdown by a reporter in Charlotte that actually showed that without Rashad the Heels allowed about 9 pts a game more and averaged about 6 or 7 less possessions on offense. People may say he's a liability but he's an important piece of the puzzle.

 

[vyrus858]

adding Wisc-Milw...after seeing 2 of the most solid cappers on this, gman and thunder, I am going with my original feeling and taking this Panther club. I would make this a max play, but the way Illi plays D could raise hell for Wisc-Milw, but hey, this team has gotten over obstacles this year and I think they have a legit shot to take this to the wire and keep it within single digits.

 

[vyrus858]

added small play on Utah

 

[pt1gard]

vyrus,

love all your plays, im with them all but on fence with your big one, not saying you wont be right tho ...

my concens is Graham hasnt played well yet in tourney and Frye can be a FG% bitch, i recall a couple years ago he went on some unreal run like 42-51 or something crazy, and he had some nice stretches this year too ... Salim will need to be contained, he has just amazing depth of shot and FTs are MONEY ... my concern w/Zona is i question their toughness big time ... when the UW beat them in pac-10 tourney they were soft serve ice cream on glass & scrapping etc ...

it will be total battle of will, not skill ...

Lute has never shirked playing good teams and when i watched them play WF in preseaosn they played horrible and still coulda won ... zona has only lost to UW in their last 14, so maybe their hustle style says somethnig about this match up

I do respect OK st for winning their tourney, and i dont respect NC if they said they didnt care--teams like that are not winners in truest sense IMHO ... you want to bust your ass in a pick game, you want to give it all you have any time you lace 'em ... so i dont question OK st's heart, i admire it; i do question zona's ...

hey, I mighta talked myself into Sutton's boys

good luck
gregg

 

[vyrus858]

lol Gregg, thank you for the input...that fg% of Frye does scare me, but I really think Graham opens it up here in this game...If not only for his team, but for the scouts lol...I really feel like this Okie St. team is more solid in crunch time...we will see on Thursday, gl

 

[The Boys]

Good luck brother... :mj14: