3 years and Bush , got out of the mess Clinton put us in!!!
http://www.msnbc.com/news/997861.asp?0cv=CB10
Bush 2004 hes got my vote
http://www.msnbc.com/news/997861.asp?0cv=CB10
Bush 2004 hes got my vote
Tax cuts spark record growth
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good one, one quarter of progress is hardly a monumental task. I hope it keeps up but there is more to being President than having a strong economy, it's called telling the truth and Bush and Cheney have not done a good job doing this. I voted for them last time but this time I will more than likely be voting for a 3rd party guy or gal who I believe has the capibility to be honest.
MC you thinking of going Libeterian? I might go that route, if I really thought they had a chance. That party just doesnt have the backing yet, though I do agree with them more than any other party.
Master Capper said:
That's called a wasted vote. Might as well stay at home.
The way I see it, if it gets to the point where you don't like either candidate, vote against the one you dislike the most.
We have a 2 party system. The third party is never going to win, at least not anytime soon.
Six Five,
Im not sure but I believe that if a third party gets a certain amount of votes (or percent) then they get some type of matching funds to help them defray cost, thus it may not be a wasted vote if helps them get added cash, but hell I could be wrong never got into Political Science.
Toastonastick,
Don't know much about the third parties so I will need to do some research, but the party your speaking of was the one that wanted Howard Stern to run for Gov of New York? Then there is the party that Ross Perot started and Jessie Ventura got elected in Minny, I still think if Ross would of chosen another running mate besides the retired Navy dude who always looked like he was ready to fall asleep he could of really came close.
Im not sure but I believe that if a third party gets a certain amount of votes (or percent) then they get some type of matching funds to help them defray cost, thus it may not be a wasted vote if helps them get added cash, but hell I could be wrong never got into Political Science.
Toastonastick,
Don't know much about the third parties so I will need to do some research, but the party your speaking of was the one that wanted Howard Stern to run for Gov of New York? Then there is the party that Ross Perot started and Jessie Ventura got elected in Minny, I still think if Ross would of chosen another running mate besides the retired Navy dude who always looked like he was ready to fall asleep he could of really came close.
Record something. But not one job. And now that the 400 to 600 bucks is spent. Well there is big concern nothing left to drive it. Up 8% and back down to 4% wont help much. And jobs? Well many companies said thks Mr Bush. Then cut some more jobs and sent some more over seas.
40 thousand jobs in how many months. I remember the 90's. What was it 100000 a month. Well maybe it was 40000 a month. But 49 or 51 months in a row. That was a hell of mess Clinton had us in. I will say thank you thank you ten times when we see some real growth like that.
SixFive said:
That's about as true as it gets. I would LOVE for America to have three viable parties, but it simply isn't happening.
You HAVE to vote for the one of the two candidates that has a real shot in order for your vote to count, otherwise your vote is as worthless as tits on a boar. The sole reason Bush is in office is because of Ralph Nader. That isn't partisan bickering. That is obvious truth, and I don't think anyone, right, left, middle, whatever, can honestly say that isn't the truth.
I'm just a little more cautious, but hope for the best. This article is another take on the same subject-
http://slate.msn.com//?id=2090498&
http://slate.msn.com//?id=2090498&
I get so tired of reading the posts here. Everyone bashes Bush on the War, then some positive results are seens and it's "well, it's not enough"
Then, positive economic news and "Well, it's not enouogh"
Christ. Our country has had more shit happen to it in the past 3 years. Wildfires, a recession, 9-11, Afghanistan, Iraq, Hurricanes,
I think as a whole we are doing pretty damn well. Nothing changes overnight. The groundwork for the recession was laid during Clinton's term as much as all the liberals say the opposite. This administration is attempting to reverse the path of the economy. I'm sure the next admin will have to correct some of the stuff that this admin screws up.
Be thankful that things are getting better. Jobless claims are the lowest they have been since Bush took office. This guy didn't come into office and say " hey, let's get corporate America to fire 4 million workers just for the hell of it." There were a lot of "un-needed jobs" created during the boom of the 90's. Worker efficiency in that time frame was marginal at best b/c companies didn't care. Everyone was making $ hand over fist. When the economy slowed, those unnecessary jobs were the first to go.
I don't agree with a lot of the things this admin has done. However, I think their plan for the economy is working and will work. I am disgusted with the Federal Drug Plan. $400 billion will turn into $1trillion + within 10 years. There are only about 1.4 million senior citizens who need federal aid with Rx drugs. It could have been handled much differently. The GOP is trying to buy votes in the next election with this program. It sucks.
Then, positive economic news and "Well, it's not enouogh"
Christ. Our country has had more shit happen to it in the past 3 years. Wildfires, a recession, 9-11, Afghanistan, Iraq, Hurricanes,
I think as a whole we are doing pretty damn well. Nothing changes overnight. The groundwork for the recession was laid during Clinton's term as much as all the liberals say the opposite. This administration is attempting to reverse the path of the economy. I'm sure the next admin will have to correct some of the stuff that this admin screws up.
Be thankful that things are getting better. Jobless claims are the lowest they have been since Bush took office. This guy didn't come into office and say " hey, let's get corporate America to fire 4 million workers just for the hell of it." There were a lot of "un-needed jobs" created during the boom of the 90's. Worker efficiency in that time frame was marginal at best b/c companies didn't care. Everyone was making $ hand over fist. When the economy slowed, those unnecessary jobs were the first to go.
I don't agree with a lot of the things this admin has done. However, I think their plan for the economy is working and will work. I am disgusted with the Federal Drug Plan. $400 billion will turn into $1trillion + within 10 years. There are only about 1.4 million senior citizens who need federal aid with Rx drugs. It could have been handled much differently. The GOP is trying to buy votes in the next election with this program. It sucks.
Well said ssd but don't expect to get a lot of positive response from the left leaning folks here.
In case some didn't notice the market started its crash in March 2000.........eight months before Bush was even elected, and has taken about three years for the excess to unravel. That and the recession was handed to Bush as a welcome gift and he didn't have a damn thing to do with it. All the jobs lost on his watch were the result on the unraveling of the excess and anyone not blind or totally biased would admit that.
Compound that mess with 911 which greeted Bush less than eight months in office. This guy has done a remarkable job with probably the worst opening hand ever dealt to a President in history.
In case some didn't notice the market started its crash in March 2000.........eight months before Bush was even elected, and has taken about three years for the excess to unravel. That and the recession was handed to Bush as a welcome gift and he didn't have a damn thing to do with it. All the jobs lost on his watch were the result on the unraveling of the excess and anyone not blind or totally biased would admit that.
Compound that mess with 911 which greeted Bush less than eight months in office. This guy has done a remarkable job with probably the worst opening hand ever dealt to a President in history.
Just to much BS. If Bush could not handle what he saw was coming. Should have stayed in Texas. He and Mr Greenspan could have stopped most of this way before 9/11. 9/11 sure gets used for so many excuses it's on real. And we were not in any free fall of the market March 2000. You look at the numbers when Bush took office. Then look 5, 6 and 8 months later. And why Greenspan rased rates 4 times just before the election is very troubling. Inflation he said. That was total BS. We have not had any real inflation in this country for dam near 7 years.
A recovey is underway. So far it's been in the stock market only. We need to see some real job growth. With out it this recovery will stay shallow. Tax cuts are used up. So going further in to dept with more is out of the question. Some of us will be paying off that dept for along time. Next thing that may happen in about 3 or 4 months is interest rates going up. We better hope not because that could kill any large recovery. But I dont see Greenspan haveing the balls in a elelction year to try that again.
A recovey is underway. So far it's been in the stock market only. We need to see some real job growth. With out it this recovery will stay shallow. Tax cuts are used up. So going further in to dept with more is out of the question. Some of us will be paying off that dept for along time. Next thing that may happen in about 3 or 4 months is interest rates going up. We better hope not because that could kill any large recovery. But I dont see Greenspan haveing the balls in a elelction year to try that again.
Greenspan raised rates and he trashed the market to get Bush elected. Plain and simple. No matter what spin the Right tries to put on it. He has lowered rates how many times in a row since Boy George took over? But he had to raise them 4 times in an election year. And so George can get a bit of a rise out of it after giving working folks $600 and paying for two wars is no big surprise. Lets see where it stands after Christmas when winter kicks in and oil and natural gas prices go thru the roof!
