Taxing News for Tax Day

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Taxing News for Tax Day
By Terrance Heath
April 15th, 2008 - 4:06pm ET

It's almost quitting time, and if you've put off your taxes and haven't paid them online, you've probably scoped out the post office in your neighborhood with the latest closing time. Or maybe you're planning to speed to the nearest one before it closes. Chances are there will be a line. Maybe a long one. So, here are some articles you can read while you're waiting in line.

But be careful. Reading these article immediately before or after paying your taxes may be hazardous to your mental health.

Warren Buffet, the third richest man in the world, pays a lower tax rate than his secretary.

Henry Kravis, formerly of Bear Stearns, probably pays a lower tax rate than you (In other words, they pay a smaller percentage of their income in taxes than the rest of us.)

Meanwhile, low-income households will pay more in taxes, if they live in one of several states that are shifting the tax burden down the economic ladder by raising sales taxes and lowering property taxes.

At least they won't get stimulus checks. On the other hand, thanks to the stimulus package, they can now refinance their homes at a lower rate (or one of them, anyway), and borrow money on the cheap.

Lest you think guys like Buffet and Kravis are "self-made" billionaires who deserve a tax break because of ... well ... because they're billionaires, Harry Moroz will remind you that no billionaire is an island. No fortune is made alone, without support from the infrastructure investments funded by tax dollars, as Corrine Ramsey points out. So, the next time you hear that our economy would be nowhere without them, remember they might not be quite so rich without ... well ... us.

Oh, and not only do they pay a lower tax rate than you or me, but chances are they're among the 20% of CEOs whose taxes are paid by their companies, in part if not in full.

If they're in the home-building industry, their companies also just got a $6 billion tax break from the Senate ? in the Senate's foreclosure relief bill. That tax-break, by the way, will actually cost the federal government more than $25 billion in the next three years.

If their taxes are picked up by their companies, the IRS probably won't look too closely. The agency is auditing fewer big companies (worth more than $250 million), and focusing on medium-sized companies (with assets of less than $50 million).

I don't know if they're on the list of "more than 100" tax evaders with accounts in Lichtenstein.

If they're not, then maybe they're among the big names who owe big time tax bills, but seem to be able to operate successfully without paying.

If not, they can still go offshore and skirt taxes, like one top Iraq contractor.

Oh well, there's at least a chance they'll pay a bit more in taxes if they're gay.

And it doesn't look like they have anything to worry about from the IRS. The IRS is losing $37 million by using private collection agents who cost more to use than they collect in taxes. (And they still pocket up to 24% in commissions.)

Finally, if all of this news has got you even more stressed out as you stand in line at the post office, just close you're eyes and imagine going on the $3 trillion shopping spree. Just don't think what we can't do with that money, because that's what we're paying for the war in Iraq.

Speaking of which, there's a good chance you'll use you tax return to pay bills. That is, if you get one.

Enjoy!
 

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We been over the Buffet/secretary issue before

--but for those that still persist

A: the reason Buffets are a tad over 15% is almost99.9 of his taxable income is capital gains NOT income tax. Tax on capital gains =15%

B: While Buffet is smart money manager he certainly is no accountant--income tax on his secretaries $60,000 for 2007 would be $11,424 if she had no deductions.
I'm no accountantant either but smart enough to know $11,000 isn't 30% of $60,000.

Now go back and read article again--and see how they force feed the Kool Aid to their flocks.

a few more pertinant facts for those scrating their heads--

Berkshire Hathaway (Buffets Fund) paid 4.4 billion in taxes for 06.
Buffet paid 8.14 million

--and lets not forget another reason that limits his taxes--charitable contributions--while he ihas been somewhat secretive about the millions he gives away a year--he did come out in 06 and make a small pledge of $43.5 billion for the future to Gates foundation-
---and the secretary:0corn
 
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Taxing News for Tax Day
By Terrance Heath
April 15th, 2008 - 4:06pm ET

It's almost quitting time, and if you've put off your taxes and haven't paid them online, you've probably scoped out the post office in your neighborhood with the latest closing time. Or maybe you're planning to speed to the nearest one before it closes. Chances are there will be a line. Maybe a long one. So, here are some articles you can read while you're waiting in line.

But be careful. Reading these article immediately before or after paying your taxes may be hazardous to your mental health.

Warren Buffet, the third richest man in the world, pays a lower tax rate than his secretary.

Henry Kravis, formerly of Bear Stearns, probably pays a lower tax rate than you (In other words, they pay a smaller percentage of their income in taxes than the rest of us.)

Meanwhile, low-income households will pay more in taxes, if they live in one of several states that are shifting the tax burden down the economic ladder by raising sales taxes and lowering property taxes.

At least they won't get stimulus checks. On the other hand, thanks to the stimulus package, they can now refinance their homes at a lower rate (or one of them, anyway), and borrow money on the
Enjoy!

Come on Chadman, you are not buying this pro left propaganda BS, are you:shrug: At least tell me you are aware its BS, and are simply spreading it to further grow membership to your party.
 

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"Warren Buffet, the third richest man in the world, pays a lower tax rate than his secretary"

Where does it say anything about her paying 30%?
Can you refute anything in the article? Force feeding the kool aid?
 

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"Warren Buffet, the third richest man in the world, pays a lower tax rate than his secretary"

Where does it say anything about her paying 30%?
Can you refute anything in the article? Force feeding the kool aid?

30% on 60K a year doesn't make sense to me. Sounds like pure BS. I was recently single making that range, and I paid far less than 30%.

I'll dig up an article countering this BS, maybe you guys will all take that as fact:shrug:
 

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Found this little diddy through google.......( link below)


But let's examine the assertion that Buffett pays a higher tax rate than does his secretary.

Buffett says he earned $46 million in 2006, with a tax rate of 17.7 percent -- all, says Buffet, without attempting to avoid paying higher taxes. But his income clearly places him in the highest federal income tax bracket -- 35 percent -- but the same "non-avoidance" tax rules allow ample deductions and credits. Surely a man like Buffet can claim buckets-full, to say nothing of possible business losses and capital gains inherent in his line of work. So he probably reached the 17.7 percent rate without any monkey business. Fair enough. Whip out your calculator. First, Buffett, on his $46 million a year, paid -- at his 17.7 percent rate -- over $8 million in taxes.

Now let's deal with his secretary, whom he claims pays his or her taxes at a 30 percent rate. Buffett, in his speech, provided no details about the secretary. But even with minimal deductions, the highest possible federal tax bracket for a single person earning $60,000 a year is 25 percent. We don't know whether Buffett's secretary is married, a homeowner or renter, or has children.

Let's suppose Buffett's secretary is a single person, a renter, no kids, and makes no IRA contribution (or any other gross income adjustments) and claims the standard deductions. This scenario places the secretary in the highest possible income tax bracket. But after the standard deduction ($5,150) and one personal exemption ($3,300), the secretary's taxable income becomes $51,550 -- the 25 percent tax bracket. This means the secretary pays $9,439 in taxes -- or 15.7 percent of the $60,000 annual income. Assuming the secretary lives in Nebraska (where Buffett is headquartered), with its highest income tax bracket at 6.84 percent, the secretary pays $2,663 to the state, or another 4.4 percent of the $60,000. Altogether, this gives the secretary a total tax rate of 20.1 percent.

Throw in one kid under 17 years of age, and a $4,000 contribution to an IRA, and this single parent secretary -- still renting and claiming the standard deduction -- now has a taxable income of $41,850. With one child tax credit, secretary pays $4,814 in federal income taxes, just 8 percent of the $60,000-per-year income. Single-parent secretary also pays $2,076 in income taxes to Nebraska, for a total of 11.5 percent of the $60,000 per year annual income.

Now suppose we're talking about a married secretary, with a stay-at-home spouse. They file jointly, pay a home mortgage and have two kids under the age of 17. They place $4,000 in an IRA and itemize $15,000 in deductions. Here the tax picture changes dramatically. Taxable income drops to $27,800 -- the 15 percent tax bracket. With child tax credits, secretary now pays $1,419 in federal taxes, or 2.4 percent of $60,000. Add in another 2 percent for $1,218 in state taxes, and secretary pays a grand total, state and federal, of 4.4 percent on the $60,000-a-year salary.




http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=21415

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Outside of the Lichenstein comment and the cheap shot at Halliburton, the entire article is true - just facts.

And the only way that some people can grapple with this is just to assume that the one guy who would know (Buffett) is lying. He stated that the secretary pays a higher percentage of tax (income and payroll) then he does and he's also offerred $1 MM to go to charity for anyone of the richest 400 people in America that can prove that they pay a higher tax rate than their subordinates.

So while Dogs runs through the math and ignores Buffett's actual quote and Cie posts an article that goes through and imagines the life that the secretary must be living right down to what her spouse does for a job, the fact remains that she pays a higher percentage of tax than he does - even in Dogs projections above. If you're ok with that and think that it makes good public policy, then that's fine, but to call it kool aid and BS is just inaccurate.
 

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"Warren Buffet, the third richest man in the world, pays a lower tax rate than his secretary"

Where does it say anything about her paying 30%?
Can you refute anything in the article? Force feeding the kool aid?

take your pick--:shrug:
--but better have full glass if your going to take a sip after reading each one :)

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