What the hell is going on. Cutting gas line at home of a Senator brothers home. Spitting on congressman. Throwing bricks thru windows. Using words like target them. Jesus go back to water.
Tea?? Makes You Nuts
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These activities are coming from the same people that Wayne held in higher standard when liberals acted in protest on conservative issues. I don't remember many liberals actually killing people, like right to life conservatives do. The right wingers go right to hate mongering and racial issues by screaming negative homosexual references, and the "n" word, and throwing bricks through dem office windows.
As I recall, when the shoe was on the other foot, the ridicule happened early and often towards how worthless and reprehensible these people were, when they didn't support the same issues Wayne did.
Not surprised to see nothing mentioned now, of course.
I will give the right wing attackers credit - they do seem to take it to a more serious level... but of course they feel in the right in doing it, so that's ok and not worth talking about.
Not to single out Wayne, but that was a torch he carried. Wease was there in kind, and others, of course, with less value in this forum.
Funny, and sad, all at the same time. Uproar and civil disobedience is now all the rage with conservatives. Again, it makes it ok, if it's something that YOU feel strongly about. Otherwise, it's reprehensible.
As I recall, when the shoe was on the other foot, the ridicule happened early and often towards how worthless and reprehensible these people were, when they didn't support the same issues Wayne did.
Not surprised to see nothing mentioned now, of course.
I will give the right wing attackers credit - they do seem to take it to a more serious level... but of course they feel in the right in doing it, so that's ok and not worth talking about.
Not to single out Wayne, but that was a torch he carried. Wease was there in kind, and others, of course, with less value in this forum.
Funny, and sad, all at the same time. Uproar and civil disobedience is now all the rage with conservatives. Again, it makes it ok, if it's something that YOU feel strongly about. Otherwise, it's reprehensible.
This is very troubling. I guess we shouldn't be surprised with so much violence being promoted by Beck, Limbaugh, Savage...... and never any republican leaders denouncing these clowns.
Thick as a Brick: Lib Bloggers Blame Militia for Broken Dem Windows
Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
March 24, 2010
It?s more grist for David Neiwert?s mill. ?Authorities in Wichita and some other cities across the country are investigating vandalism against Democratic offices, apparently in response to health care reform,? reports The Kansas City Star. ?And on Monday, a former Alabama militia leader took credit for instigating the actions.?
?As David Neiwert?s been pointing out for a while, right-wing extremist fury is only growing now that we have a black Democrat in the White House. Now that the health-care bill has actually passed, and the right wing has bought the hysteria that this is an ?assault on liberty,? expect this ? and worse,? writes Susie Madrak for the lib blog, Crooks and Liars.
Neiwert is the poster child for the Southern Poverty Law Center and other groups that work with the Department of Homeland Security to demonize folks who think it is a good idea to follow the Constitution. He writes for the corporate media, including the CIA?s favorite newspaper, The Washington Post, and has made a cottage industry out demonizing patriots. For his diligence, Neiwert received a National Press Club award, a prized trophy for faithful members of the corporate media.
?Mike Vanderboegh, of Pinson, Ala., former head of the Alabama Constitutional Militia, put out a call on Friday for modern ?Sons of Liberty? to break the windows of Democratic Party offices nationwide in opposition to health care reform. Since then, vandals have struck several offices, including the Sedgwick County Democratic Party headquarters in Wichita,? The Kansas City Star continues. The brick had had ?some anti-Obama rhetoric? written on it, according to a Dem party functionary.
?We can break their windows,? Vanderboegh declared, according to Gather. ?Break them NOW. And if we do a proper job, if we break the windows of hundreds, thousands, of Democrat party headquarters across this country, we might just wake up enough of them to make defending ourselves at the muzzle of a rifle unnecessary.?
The call for vandalism appeared on the Sipsey Street Irregulars blog on Friday, March 19. The Sipsey Street Irregulars blog appears to be operated by Mike Vanderboegh.
?These windows are not far away from where you are reading this right now,? the blog explains. ?In virtually every city and county in this land, there is a local headquarters of Pelosi?s party ? the Democrat party. These headquarters invariably have windows. When the Sons of Liberty wanted to express their opposition to the actions of the King?s ministers, they would gather in front of the homes and offices of his tax-collectors and government officials in Boston or New York and break their windows. Glass was expensive. The King?s minions were often the most well-to-do. The Sons of Liberty hit them in their pocketbooks.
The original Sons of Liberty was a secret organization of American patriots prior to the Revolutionary War. British authorities and the Loyalists considered the Sons of Liberty seditious rebels. Patriots attacked the apparatus and symbols of British authority and power such as property of the gentry, customs officers, East India Company tea, and as the war approached, vocal supporters of the Crown.
Vanderboegh?s act will not inspire a modern three percent to take action against the federal government. It will, however, provide plenty of ammo for the likes of David Neiwert, Chris Matthews, nearly the entire line-up at MSNBC, Bill O?Reilly (who specializes in demonizing the Oath Keepers), the Southern Poverty Law Center, and hundreds of Borg hive Democrats who have hysterically warned now for months that ?militias? (as defined by the SPLC) and rightwing racist extremists (as defined by the DHS and the MIAC report) who hate Obama because of his skin color are about to start burning down government buildings and killing bureaucrats.
Mike Vanderboegh?s comments are a gift to the Department of Homeland Security and the SPLC. His call for vandalism feeds right into the propaganda cycle and follows on the heels of supposed Tea Party activists ? as likely agents provocateurs ? who hurled racist epithets at African American members of Congress last weekend.
As should be expected the Southern Poverty Law Center was all over the incident in short order. The fear-mongering organization posted the news of their ?Hatewatch? page.
Not surprisingly, Democrats have attempted to link this bad behavior to Republicans who stood in opposition to Obamacare. ?The Republican Party needs to distance themselves from this kind of behavior,? Rep. Tim Ryan, a Democrat from Ohio, said in a video produced by a Latino Facebook group. ?I am calling upon Mr. Speaker that the Republicans who have supported this movement come out and condemn this Tea Party. It is unacceptable.?
Establishment Republicans hijacked the Tea Party movement last year and now demand supporters pay fealty to the Republican political platform of more wars and increasing the national debt.
Breaking windows will not put an end to Obamacare. It will provide plenty of ammo for statist propagandists who are now gearing up to shout down and intimidate the opposition.
Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
March 24, 2010
It?s more grist for David Neiwert?s mill. ?Authorities in Wichita and some other cities across the country are investigating vandalism against Democratic offices, apparently in response to health care reform,? reports The Kansas City Star. ?And on Monday, a former Alabama militia leader took credit for instigating the actions.?
?As David Neiwert?s been pointing out for a while, right-wing extremist fury is only growing now that we have a black Democrat in the White House. Now that the health-care bill has actually passed, and the right wing has bought the hysteria that this is an ?assault on liberty,? expect this ? and worse,? writes Susie Madrak for the lib blog, Crooks and Liars.
Neiwert is the poster child for the Southern Poverty Law Center and other groups that work with the Department of Homeland Security to demonize folks who think it is a good idea to follow the Constitution. He writes for the corporate media, including the CIA?s favorite newspaper, The Washington Post, and has made a cottage industry out demonizing patriots. For his diligence, Neiwert received a National Press Club award, a prized trophy for faithful members of the corporate media.
?Mike Vanderboegh, of Pinson, Ala., former head of the Alabama Constitutional Militia, put out a call on Friday for modern ?Sons of Liberty? to break the windows of Democratic Party offices nationwide in opposition to health care reform. Since then, vandals have struck several offices, including the Sedgwick County Democratic Party headquarters in Wichita,? The Kansas City Star continues. The brick had had ?some anti-Obama rhetoric? written on it, according to a Dem party functionary.
?We can break their windows,? Vanderboegh declared, according to Gather. ?Break them NOW. And if we do a proper job, if we break the windows of hundreds, thousands, of Democrat party headquarters across this country, we might just wake up enough of them to make defending ourselves at the muzzle of a rifle unnecessary.?
The call for vandalism appeared on the Sipsey Street Irregulars blog on Friday, March 19. The Sipsey Street Irregulars blog appears to be operated by Mike Vanderboegh.
?These windows are not far away from where you are reading this right now,? the blog explains. ?In virtually every city and county in this land, there is a local headquarters of Pelosi?s party ? the Democrat party. These headquarters invariably have windows. When the Sons of Liberty wanted to express their opposition to the actions of the King?s ministers, they would gather in front of the homes and offices of his tax-collectors and government officials in Boston or New York and break their windows. Glass was expensive. The King?s minions were often the most well-to-do. The Sons of Liberty hit them in their pocketbooks.
The original Sons of Liberty was a secret organization of American patriots prior to the Revolutionary War. British authorities and the Loyalists considered the Sons of Liberty seditious rebels. Patriots attacked the apparatus and symbols of British authority and power such as property of the gentry, customs officers, East India Company tea, and as the war approached, vocal supporters of the Crown.
Vanderboegh?s act will not inspire a modern three percent to take action against the federal government. It will, however, provide plenty of ammo for the likes of David Neiwert, Chris Matthews, nearly the entire line-up at MSNBC, Bill O?Reilly (who specializes in demonizing the Oath Keepers), the Southern Poverty Law Center, and hundreds of Borg hive Democrats who have hysterically warned now for months that ?militias? (as defined by the SPLC) and rightwing racist extremists (as defined by the DHS and the MIAC report) who hate Obama because of his skin color are about to start burning down government buildings and killing bureaucrats.
Mike Vanderboegh?s comments are a gift to the Department of Homeland Security and the SPLC. His call for vandalism feeds right into the propaganda cycle and follows on the heels of supposed Tea Party activists ? as likely agents provocateurs ? who hurled racist epithets at African American members of Congress last weekend.
As should be expected the Southern Poverty Law Center was all over the incident in short order. The fear-mongering organization posted the news of their ?Hatewatch? page.
Not surprisingly, Democrats have attempted to link this bad behavior to Republicans who stood in opposition to Obamacare. ?The Republican Party needs to distance themselves from this kind of behavior,? Rep. Tim Ryan, a Democrat from Ohio, said in a video produced by a Latino Facebook group. ?I am calling upon Mr. Speaker that the Republicans who have supported this movement come out and condemn this Tea Party. It is unacceptable.?
Establishment Republicans hijacked the Tea Party movement last year and now demand supporters pay fealty to the Republican political platform of more wars and increasing the national debt.
Breaking windows will not put an end to Obamacare. It will provide plenty of ammo for statist propagandists who are now gearing up to shout down and intimidate the opposition.
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How about a compromise gentlemen.
You get your base and occupy 1/2 the U.S.
and we'll get those protesting the taxes/ social engineering/redistribution to occupy the other 1/2.
-- you make the choice--
-Do we build fence around you to keep you in or fence around us to keep you out? It doesn't matter to me--you choose?
actually it wouldn't be half of area-would it
You get your base and occupy 1/2 the U.S.
and we'll get those protesting the taxes/ social engineering/redistribution to occupy the other 1/2.
-- you make the choice--
-Do we build fence around you to keep you in or fence around us to keep you out? It doesn't matter to me--you choose?
actually it wouldn't be half of area-would it
TU,
are your crickets directed at those who are silent and cannot rebut the fact that the libs are creating the hysteria? It is the the Black Caucaus and Barney the Rainbow making the charges of hate, yet there is absolutely no video or audio evidence.
Are those the crickets you are refering to?
If a false charge of bigotry and hate is made and no recording device is there to capture it, did it really happen? CHIRP,CHIRP,CHIRP......
are your crickets directed at those who are silent and cannot rebut the fact that the libs are creating the hysteria? It is the the Black Caucaus and Barney the Rainbow making the charges of hate, yet there is absolutely no video or audio evidence.
Are those the crickets you are refering to?
If a false charge of bigotry and hate is made and no recording device is there to capture it, did it really happen? CHIRP,CHIRP,CHIRP......
no diff really--same demographics
2008
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/campaign08/election/uscounties.html
Thanks DTB,
I knew the results, but before the other guys kicked you in the teeth about the 2000 results I figured it would be prudent to post the most current numbers.
peas.... :toast: :toast:
I knew the results, but before the other guys kicked you in the teeth about the 2000 results I figured it would be prudent to post the most current numbers.
peas.... :toast: :toast:
Not a surprise that the subject would be changed to something completely different. No problem.
And I guess that none of the people in those highly populated areas pay any taxes? I thought those people lived in high tax states/areas?
I would agree, the republicans generally carry flyover country. A lot of land, little population. Kind of the way conservatives like their home areas...speaking of fences...
But, again, wasn't the point of the thread, thanks for playing - not.
And I guess that none of the people in those highly populated areas pay any taxes? I thought those people lived in high tax states/areas?
I would agree, the republicans generally carry flyover country. A lot of land, little population. Kind of the way conservatives like their home areas...speaking of fences...
But, again, wasn't the point of the thread, thanks for playing - not.
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Chad I could have brought up criminal stats on issue but the race baiers would have swarmed like locust
I think you will see most consevatives use tactics like these--
http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=400080
--MUCH more effective. You need to understand that wealth in U.S. is controled by the boomers and senior citizens--who grew up on conservative values.
You can give the social parasites all the freebees you want--your prob will be paying for them--
P.S. November will be interesting--
Your redistribution crew had their say via bribes -closed doors etc against the will of the people--the people will have their say come November--and your base is not known to turn out during mid term elections--unless there's a freebee -gay rights--legalize drugs etc bill on state docket.
A few quick points...
? I don't have "a crew."
? Closed doors were fine when it was something you favored, as I recall, and I assume always would be. Selective indignation, I believe, would be what I would call it.
? The people will have their say in November, as they should, and what happens, happens. Would expect - as always - the party in power to lose seats in a mid-term election, so I assume history will repeat itself.
? I don't have "a base."
Back to my original point - do you agree with how the people protesting against democrats have acted, what they've said, the lengths they apparently will go? This bothered you greatly when the roles were reversed, and supposedly said a lot about the people doing it and their issues.
? I don't have "a crew."
? Closed doors were fine when it was something you favored, as I recall, and I assume always would be. Selective indignation, I believe, would be what I would call it.
? The people will have their say in November, as they should, and what happens, happens. Would expect - as always - the party in power to lose seats in a mid-term election, so I assume history will repeat itself.
? I don't have "a base."
Back to my original point - do you agree with how the people protesting against democrats have acted, what they've said, the lengths they apparently will go? This bothered you greatly when the roles were reversed, and supposedly said a lot about the people doing it and their issues.
There was a election short time ago. And some of those that lost. Just haveing hard time with that fact. As for that map. Anyone have the one that shows states won by Obama?
Instead of being piss at him. You should be pd at Mc Cain and his chose of V P. That was when it was all over.
My wish for November. About 26 sain tea baggers. I mean good ones. Take out about 13 each Reb's & Dem's. In congress. That should be enough. Then they would have to start talking to each other.
Instead of being piss at him. You should be pd at Mc Cain and his chose of V P. That was when it was all over.
My wish for November. About 26 sain tea baggers. I mean good ones. Take out about 13 each Reb's & Dem's. In congress. That should be enough. Then they would have to start talking to each other.
Wayne, one thing I have been doing of late is trying to take a step back. I do tend to fight very strongly for the issues that I lean more towards most of the time, but I think I've perhaps been buying into my own arguments a little too much.
Admittedly, before Obama, I was crazy about the debt, and there can be no doubt what has been going on is accelerating it. I think much is and was needed that has been going on, but I'm getting a lot more concerned about the financial aspects of our debt. If it bothered me so much before, it sure as hell should be bothering me now. It sickens me that 1/3 of our tax dollars pay for only the interest on our national debt. Obama has said this will be the big focus in year two. I tell you right now, if there is no proof in that pudding, I'll probably be arguing most of your points sooner than later.
At some point, we'll have to make tough decisions. We'll have to stop fighting the wars that really, honestly, don't have that much affect on American lives unless you are the one fighting the war. We'll have to cut back on defense. We'll have to focus everything we have on cutting EVERYTHING, to get our financial house in some sort of perspective. And we'll all have to agree we have to do that across the board, or it won't work.
I'm saying now, we have to focus on that in the immediate future. We'll see where my arguments go from here, eh? I dunno, so much of this I really have no good grasp of, and very few of us do. That scares me. We all have opinions, and don't really know where we're headed. Going overboard the other way doesn't appeal to me either, but I think it will be reality - or should be.
Admittedly, before Obama, I was crazy about the debt, and there can be no doubt what has been going on is accelerating it. I think much is and was needed that has been going on, but I'm getting a lot more concerned about the financial aspects of our debt. If it bothered me so much before, it sure as hell should be bothering me now. It sickens me that 1/3 of our tax dollars pay for only the interest on our national debt. Obama has said this will be the big focus in year two. I tell you right now, if there is no proof in that pudding, I'll probably be arguing most of your points sooner than later.
At some point, we'll have to make tough decisions. We'll have to stop fighting the wars that really, honestly, don't have that much affect on American lives unless you are the one fighting the war. We'll have to cut back on defense. We'll have to focus everything we have on cutting EVERYTHING, to get our financial house in some sort of perspective. And we'll all have to agree we have to do that across the board, or it won't work.
I'm saying now, we have to focus on that in the immediate future. We'll see where my arguments go from here, eh? I dunno, so much of this I really have no good grasp of, and very few of us do. That scares me. We all have opinions, and don't really know where we're headed. Going overboard the other way doesn't appeal to me either, but I think it will be reality - or should be.
I guess the standard now is that once you manage to pass dependency-producing government entitlement programs everybody should just shut the hell up, stop voicing disagreement and simmer down. To do anything else is somehow un-American.
North Dakota Democrat Chairman Mark Schneider. He says that recent days have reminded him of "pre World War II Germany." In other words ... the Nazis.
http://plainsdaily.com/entry/dem_chairman_says_threats_reprehensible/?utm_medium=ping.fm&utm_source=twitterfeed
We have Democrat Rep. John Boccieri comparing this experience post-Obamacare to serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. He says, "Having flown missions in and out of Iraq and Afghanistan, I know what it's like to be in harm's way. But I never imagined serving in Congress could feel the same."
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/88955-dem-compares-healthcare-threats-to-fighting-in-iraq-afghanistan
This type of violence and rhetoric goes both ways, folks. Like this, for instance ... let's see if the mainstream media picks up on this story.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/89065-gop-lawmaker-now-reports-threat-over-healthcare-stance
Republican Rep. Jean Schmidt received a threatening voicemail from a liberal who was happy that ObamaCare passed, wished that she had broken her back in an accident she had in 2008 and threatens to use a gun against Tea Party members. But that won't really fit into the mainstream media's anti-Tea Party agenda now will it?
North Dakota Democrat Chairman Mark Schneider. He says that recent days have reminded him of "pre World War II Germany." In other words ... the Nazis.
http://plainsdaily.com/entry/dem_chairman_says_threats_reprehensible/?utm_medium=ping.fm&utm_source=twitterfeed
We have Democrat Rep. John Boccieri comparing this experience post-Obamacare to serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. He says, "Having flown missions in and out of Iraq and Afghanistan, I know what it's like to be in harm's way. But I never imagined serving in Congress could feel the same."
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/88955-dem-compares-healthcare-threats-to-fighting-in-iraq-afghanistan
This type of violence and rhetoric goes both ways, folks. Like this, for instance ... let's see if the mainstream media picks up on this story.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/89065-gop-lawmaker-now-reports-threat-over-healthcare-stance
Republican Rep. Jean Schmidt received a threatening voicemail from a liberal who was happy that ObamaCare passed, wished that she had broken her back in an accident she had in 2008 and threatens to use a gun against Tea Party members. But that won't really fit into the mainstream media's anti-Tea Party agenda now will it?
I think the standard should be that people should not yell racial and sexual hatred at legislators because they don't agree with what they just voted for. I think the standard should be that "right to life" supporters shouldn't say that they hope a congressman gets cancer and dies because he has a different view of a passing a piece of legislation than they do. I think the standard should be that people have no right to throw rocks and bricks through the window of offices because they disagree with a political stance. I think the standard should be a person should not threaten a legislator's life, say they will stalk them and disrupt their lives, threaten their family members, give out the home addresses of those legislators and encourage others to go engage in that kind of behavior.
I don't care what the issue is, or what party the person is a member of. My point was this was singled out by one conservative here in particular when the parties and "protestors" were reversed and discussed here, who found the behavior outlandish and reprehensible, and descriptive of the people who felt the way these people did about issues.
So, do you think this stuff is ok? Can't get an answer from the person I've been asking.
I don't care what the issue is, or what party the person is a member of. My point was this was singled out by one conservative here in particular when the parties and "protestors" were reversed and discussed here, who found the behavior outlandish and reprehensible, and descriptive of the people who felt the way these people did about issues.
So, do you think this stuff is ok? Can't get an answer from the person I've been asking.
I agree with you 100% on this point.
No I don?t think threatening anyone is ever the answer in any situation, but I also don?t think a few bad apples should represent the whole either.
These tactics are similar to the 60?s when the FBI would insert ?irate hippies? to start trouble, then they would have their excuse to open up the tear gas.
Now instead of cops in flack jackets with dogs, we have something more palatable. It worked then, and I suppose it will continue to work until we get some honest journalism. NOT, ?if you're opposed to the Democrats attempt to gain control over healthcare you're a dangerous, violence-prone right-wing radical who needs to be investigated by the FBI.?
