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2.2/2 TEXAS TECH(+17) at OhioSt (Oasis/Imperial Palace)
...One of my partners in crime was in agreement w/ me on the line projection for this gm. We were both expecting -8 or -9. Buckeyes would figure to lay a decent #, being the bigger name team and playing at home. But I was really surprised to see a # this heavy. Consider these simple comparisons:

a) Starting QBs: TD/INT ratio L2 yrs
Kingsbury, Tex Tech: 51/31
Krenzel, Ohio St: 1/4
...Granted, Krenzel should improve quickly. But there's a gaping edge in game experience here.

b) 2001 Field Goals: Made/Att (%)
TT: 16/20 (80%)
OhSt: 10/24 (42%)
...Uh-oh. Each team used two kickers last yr, and the same guys are in place this yr. I equate special teams/kicking to a bullpen in baseball. You gotta have it. Blunders in the kicking game can swing a game and eventually decimate a team's confidence.

c) SU Wins L30 gms
TT: 17
OhSt: 17
...In my research, I found that straight-up wins over the L30 gms serves as a pretty good barometer for program strength. Maybe the perception is Texas Tech as a second-rung team, but they are 1 gm over .500 in Big12 play the L5 yrs. Located in Lubbock, I believe TT is one of the few programs that can fly under the national radar. They are >60% ATS the L8 combined yrs.

d) Returning Starters
TT: 16
OhSt: 12

Regarding this line, a few comments. After this line came out, I expected to see the "Too High" comments. Exactly the sort of comments from guys in this forum. Guys that have looked at the matchup a bit and put in a little time studying it. Closer to gametime, wait to hear the "Trap" comments. But I don't think so. The matchup is just not -17. I do expect this # to drop closer to -15 by kick. Not unusual for early season college #s to move quite a bit.

Tressel is known as a conservative, ball-control coach. Have a hard time envisioning a blowout here, barring QB/special teams gaffes. I feel OhioSt is much more likely to gag in one of those areas, if it does happen. Red Raiders for me. GL.
 

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The numbers that are posted in the other thread aren't from Imperial Palace. They're from some Oasiscasino or some other book that I've never heard of. 17 won't be the number when this game comes out and I doubt that whoever put out the line will even honor this number.

Ohio State wasn't favored by double digits in any game that they played in last year against a major conference foe and they lose their QB and 5 others on offense. I think that you and your friend got it right and the line will be 8 or 9. . . and that's still too many points.
 

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Nice analysis ChuckyTheGoat

Man I wish it did come out at 17!

I actually went to Columbus the last time TTU played the buckeys in 1990. We were big dogs then too. We could have won that game, but for a late TD by Ron Springs (I think). Final 10 17

Granted that was a long time ago, and really has no bearing today. But people will generally overlook the raiders and think they have an easy 1st game winner.

Tech survives in the Big 12 and their level of competition makes them ready for just about anyone. I'm looking forward to rhis game, and I expect it to be closer than most think!
 
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BlueChip:

Not sure why you don't think that line will be honored. It looks funny, but so what? It's on the board. That's the # they put up.
 

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It just looks like a bad line although there is nothing to compare it to yet. Texas Tech returns 16 starters from a team that stayed within 17 against both Oklahoma and Nebraska last year. Woody Hayes wouldn't back the Buckeyes at that price.

IMHO, there is no way that this line will open at 17 at more established sportsbooks. I've heard of smaller shops put up numbers to get business and then call bad line when the bet is placed. This just smells like a bait and switch. Just my opinion.
 

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get lots of notes and info here in columbus. keep in mind a few things. john cooper left the buckeyes loaded and tressell spiced some of the newcomers last year with his recruits. add some big timers this year and he has quality and depth. doss and nickey will control the secondary and the pressure on kingsbury will be immense. tressell has that kind of depth at dl and lb. in other words, osu will have one of the top defenses in the country.
on offense, they will play lots of grind it out, with a stable of running backs that are incredible. lydell ross, maurice hall, jaja riley and maurice clarett are as good a foursome as anybody in the country, i kid you not. they have great receivers and the ol is improved. my point to all of this is that osu will be a solid, vanilla team this year. they will look to run, run , run and play defense.
look for them to be in a dogfight with texas tech, only because of the styles, strong run vs. a pass happy offense that wont be able to get it together for the big play. the game should produce about 30 to 35 points. take a look at the total and lay no more than 10 points.
 

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Re: buckeye notes

twiggy said:
with a stable of running backs that are incredible. lydell ross, maurice hall, jaja riley and maurice clarett are as good a foursome as anybody in the country, i kid you not. they have great receivers and the ol is improved.

An incredible stable of running backs!? Lydell Ross is the only one with playing time, and he's been sitting out nursing a bad hamstring. How can you say they're incredible when they've never played a down. Sure, Clarette was Mr. Ohio and was a flat out stud at Harding...but the jury's still out on how he'll fare against a Big Ten linebacker who's twice his size and just as fast as him.

Michael Jenkins and Chris Vance are decent, but far from "great". Last season, Vance led the team with a whopping 4 td receptions. With Tressel's conservative style, and lack of faith in Krenzel, The passing game won't be seen much.

The "improved" o-line lost 3 starters, including LeCharles Bentley, and there is a severe lack of quality depth at those positions.

Don't forget about their sorest spot... Kicking.
Last season, Mike Nugent missed his first 3 attempts, made just 4 of his first 12 and finished the season 7 for 14 on fg's and 27 for 29 on pat's.
 
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