.......thanks for all the advice and help in my earlier post ejoyed them ...will heed advice .....if any of you guys would like to talk further would love to chat ......I rem growing up as a kid the pull tags ( tip boards ) they called them at this neighorhood grocery store.....prize would be a bottle of liquor or if one of us kids won fireworks and cedar boxes of candy ( which you gave to a girl on your Mom depending on g/f status at the time lol)........I really enjoy this site and it has help me alot I hope I can add to it in the future thanks again Kevin